UltraStudio HD Mini - Thunderbolt 3 only?

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UltraStudio HD Mini - Thunderbolt 3 only?

PostWed Apr 26, 2017 8:06 am

I know this is a really lame question, but I wonder if you can use the new Ultrastudio HD mini (which has only thunderbolt 3 output) with a thunderbolt 2 laptop using an adapter.
I`m thinking something like this: http://www.bestbuy.com/site/apple-thund ... Id=5687400

I mean I`m not sure if TB3 bandwidth is needed for the HD mini, since UltraStudio 4K can get away with thunderbolt 2, and it seems a bit more capable in terms of recording throughput,
and as it states in the adapters description, thunderbolt is bidirectional, so the communication between the TB3 device with a TB2 computer should work as well.

Can someone test this?
Maybe even someone from Blackmagic? :D
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Re: UltraStudio HD Mini - Thunderbolt 3 only?

PostMon May 29, 2017 1:44 pm

No 1?

Send me one, and I shall test it!!!
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Re: UltraStudio HD Mini - Thunderbolt 3 only?

PostFri Jun 02, 2017 5:17 am

I just received an Ultrastudio HD Mini. I am using Desktop Video 9.3.1 and I currently cannot get it to work with a Thunderbolt 1 or Thunderbolt 2 computer. I am also using the Apple Thunderbolt 3 to Thunderbolt 2 adapter.

Either my unit is bad or you have to have a Thunderbolt 3 device. I will post when I have more information.
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Re: UltraStudio HD Mini - Thunderbolt 3 only?

PostFri Jun 02, 2017 5:39 pm

The UltraStudio HD Mini will only work while directly connected to a Thunderbolt 3 port. It is not backwards compatible with the previous Thunderbolt connections.
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Re: UltraStudio HD Mini - Thunderbolt 3 only?

PostMon Jun 05, 2017 6:50 pm

Tony Rivera wrote:The UltraStudio HD Mini will only work while directly connected to a Thunderbolt 3 port. It is not backwards compatible with the previous Thunderbolt connections.


Are there no adapters from Apple or others that would make this work with a 2013 Mac Pro or 2014 Mac Mini?
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Re: UltraStudio HD Mini - Thunderbolt 3 only?

PostTue Jun 06, 2017 8:43 am

Thunderbolt 3 is twice as fast as Thunderbolt 2, upto 40Gbps. As Tony mentioned, you can not connect to older Thunderbolt systems - not fast enough.
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Re: UltraStudio HD Mini - Thunderbolt 3 only?

PostTue Jun 06, 2017 7:39 pm

HansSpoor wrote:Thunderbolt 3 is twice as fast as Thunderbolt 2, upto 40Gbps. As Tony mentioned, you can not connect to older Thunderbolt systems - not fast enough.


Speed can not be the issue. The UltraStudio HD Mini is a 3G-SDI/HDMI device.
ThunderBolt 1 at 10Gb/s would be fast enough.
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Re: UltraStudio HD Mini - Thunderbolt 3 only?

PostFri Jun 09, 2017 8:06 pm

Hi,

There`s Thunderbolt 3 port on my Dell Precision 5520 laptop, but it is not full speed PCIe x4. There are only 2 lanes, PCIe x2.
Is the Ultrastudio HD Mini compatible with such port or does it require full speed?

Thanks!
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Re: UltraStudio HD Mini - Thunderbolt 3 only?

PostFri Jun 09, 2017 8:30 pm

If it's HD model then it should be absolutely fine.
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Re: UltraStudio HD Mini - Thunderbolt 3 only?

PostSat Jun 10, 2017 6:01 pm

Andrew Kolakowski wrote:If it's HD model then it should be absolutely fine.

I think that regarding bandwith required to send HD data it will be fine (4K would excess PCIe x2 max data transfer), but UltraStudio HD Mini is also charged through Thunderbolt 3 port. I`m no expert in that field, but as the PCIe on Dell Precision 5520 is "low-powered" (PCIe x2) I`m not 100% sure that it will work with UltraStudio HD Mini (sending data and charging).
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Re: UltraStudio HD Mini - Thunderbolt 3 only?

PostWed Jun 14, 2017 6:30 pm

Hi,

it work perfectly if you connect Ultrastudio HD mini to TS3 dock
via Thunderbolt 3 cable (it outputs up to 100W on Thunderbolt 3 bus):

http://www.caldigit.com/thunderbolt-3-dock/thunderbolt-station-3/index-eu.asp

The TS3 lite dock WILL NOT BE OK (because it outputs only 15W on Thunderbolt 3 bus
and the Ultrastudio HD mini consumes around 30W from the Thunderbolt 3 bus):

http://www.caldigit.com/thunderbolt-3-dock/thunderbolt-station-3-lite/index-eu.asp

Please know that the the TS3 dock must be powered via electric power adapter (170W - which is included).

And then you connect the TS3 dock via Apple Thuderbolt 3 to Thunderbolt adapter
and the Thunderbolt cable to your Thunderbolt 2 or 1 port on your computer.

The Ultrastudio HD mini is then powered via Thunderbolt 3 connection from the dock
and works just fine with your Thunderbolt 2 or 1 computer.
You also get the USB 3.1 ports!

Best regards,

Gorazd.
Last edited by Gorazd Koncar on Thu Jun 15, 2017 11:11 am, edited 2 times in total.
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Re: UltraStudio HD Mini - Thunderbolt 3 only?

PostWed Jun 14, 2017 10:15 pm

To elaborate on my previous post, it's the power draw which would be the issue as the older ports do not supply enough to power the UltraStudio HD Minis. As Gorazd mentioned above, a powered hub station would yield better results however, this is not testing we've done.
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Re: UltraStudio HD Mini - Thunderbolt 3 only?

PostFri Jun 16, 2017 9:53 am

Thank you for the answers!
Greatly appreciated! :D

Lot of professionals are holding out on the new macbook pros, because of the weak GPU and the touchbar, which is a very very strange concept.

I suppose, there is no planning on releasing a version of the Ultrastudio HD Mini with optional external power.
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