What hard drives?

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Kim Janson

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What hard drives?

PostSun Jan 28, 2018 10:14 am

Currently I have a older Lacie 5big Thunderbold 2 enclosure that supprot only Raid 0, It has 3 of the original 2TB discs as Raid 0 and 2 of 6Tb WD Red disks. All data is backed up on separate USB drives. It is pertty silend and fast but need more storage space.

Thinking updating the 2 TB drives with

3 of WD Red WD80EFZX 8 TB
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3 of Seagate IronWolf ST10000VN0004 10 TB
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3 of Seagate IronWolf Pro ST10000NE0004 10 TB

I think all of them will be fast enough configured a 3 disc Raid 0. I am not conserned too much about the pice, if it is 800 euro or 1200 euro for the 3 discs, it is a long term inestment anyway.

What I am conserned is the reliability, I think they should be pretty good on that and it is much about luck.

My bigest question is the noice levels, as these discks are only 1 meter from me. The current configuration is ok on that regard, but I have hard time finding any reliable information about the noice levels. It is not just the decibels, but that they will not have any cliking sound etc.

Do you have expereince on these disks or maybe some other to recommend.
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Re: What hard drives?

PostSun Jan 28, 2018 11:24 am

I had very mixed experience and it's a lot down to luck when you think about e.g. 3 years period.
I had 24 disks RAID running for 5 years on consumer drives with 1 drive only dead and HP enterprise based 12 disks RAID where in 3 years 3 drives died (this was also used way less than other box).

You should avoid those cheap WD Green and equivalent models. Go for top range ones (designed to work in 24/7 environment/ RAID boxes) and then brand doesn't matter that much I think.

Check this:
https://www.backblaze.com/blog/hard-dri ... s-q1-2017/
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PostSun Jan 28, 2018 12:00 pm

i recommend allways the hitachi (HGST) harddrives (fastest, laudest and less fail of all)
(used in all professionel RAID chassis by all brands)
i sell and use hundreds and only 4 fail in 15 years !!!

today, you will find this hardware only in the WD gold hardrives (WD buy hitachi years ago)
so we use now this drives
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Re: What hard drives?

PostSun Jan 28, 2018 6:08 pm

Yes, HGST was a "reliability" name, but when you look at my link they don't look that good :) Go figure.
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Re: What hard drives?

PostSun Jan 28, 2018 8:39 pm

Personally I'd recommend you just go with higher end consumer drives since you are running RAID 0, and they are most likely not going to be running 24/7/365.

http://hdd.userbenchmark.com/Seagate-Ba ... ating/3901
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Re: What hard drives?

PostSun Jan 28, 2018 9:49 pm

Thanks for the replies.

I think Seagate Barracuda, Iron-wolf and WD RED drives are fast enough and reliability in general is good, but it always is a bit question of luck.

Noise is on of the important decision criteria for me. Any experience on that? that is the most difficult parameter to find any reliable data. Some say Ironwolf 10 TB is silent, but 8 TB not so, some say the drives with helium inside are noisier, some just opposite... The WD RED 6 TB I have are pretty silent, but how about 8 TB...
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Re: What hard drives?

PostSun Jan 28, 2018 10:15 pm

Kim Janson wrote:Noise is on of the important decision criteria for me. Any experience on that? that is the most difficult parameter to find any reliable data. Some say Ironwolf 10 TB is silent, but 8 TB not so, some say the drives with helium inside are noisier, some just opposite... The WD RED 6 TB I have are pretty silent, but how about 8 TB...


None of them are silent, but pretty much ever drive made over the last 5 to 7 years are very quiet. IMO the enclosure you put them in has a far greater impact on noise production. If the enclosure doesn't have a good vibration isolation system, the vibrations of the drive transfer to the enclosure. Then the large thin panels on the enclosure can act like sound boards.
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Re: What hard drives?

PostMon Jan 29, 2018 3:58 am

maybe its just us but we have had basically every seagate we have ever owned crap out without warning - haven't used them for year , had to grab one a few months back for urgent extra storage. Just gave up a few days ago in the middle of a decent size project.

We've had fantastic performance and reliability from Western Digital. Black, (blue and green for archiving) Red - very very few have died. Bought dozens and dozens over the years. Just my 2 c w.
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Re: What hard drives?

PostWed Jan 31, 2018 10:47 pm

Hey,

does anybody use WD black 4TB drives? What would be a better solution? Should i go for that or HGST/hitachi?
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PostThu Feb 01, 2018 12:04 am

Vess Stoytchev wrote:Hey,

does anybody use WD black 4TB drives? What would be a better solution? Should i go for that or HGST/hitachi?


The WD blacks are older tech (2012), hence the reason i went with the new Seagate Barracudas (2016).

I still have two WD 2TB blacks in a personal machine and they work fine, but their performance per dollar ratio no longer justifies the WD tax imo.
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Re: What hard drives?

PostFri Feb 02, 2018 10:54 pm

As a general rule (with all creative apps), I say away from WD drives, RED drives in particular. Last I checked they are designed as variable speed drives, meaning they may not always spin at 7200 rpm. If they're RAIDed with other drives that can become a huge problem.

For my money I would go with high capacity Toshiba or HGST drives with enterprise warranties (drives rated for longer use and abuse).
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Re: What hard drives?

PostMon Feb 05, 2018 12:13 am

use a lot of WD black and never had a problem.
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Re: What hard drives?

PostMon Feb 05, 2018 10:48 pm

Jeff Brass wrote:use a lot of WD black and never had a problem.


If I were going with WD, I would go with Black drives. At the very least they're reasonably fast and should be no issues RAIDing them together.
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Re: What hard drives?

PostThu Feb 08, 2018 4:51 pm

I've been running Seagate in a Raid 0 for over 7 years. One of the original set of 4 failed a few months ago so I've been pretty please with those but it is pot luck really. I'm now running individual SSDs on a new system for media and a Samsung NVMe drive for scratch and the performance is amazing. Not the cheapest compared to mechanical drives but I will only use SSD for media now.

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