Blackmagic eGPU 'Pro', Available Late November for $1,199

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Blackmagic eGPU 'Pro', Available Late November for $1,199

PostTue Oct 30, 2018 3:44 pm

Apple's online store is now listing a new Blackmagic eGPU "Pro", following several major product launches today.

https://www.apple.com/shop/product/HMQT2VC/A/blackmagic-egpu-pro

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The new Blackmagic eGPU Pro features a Radeon RX Vega 56 graphics processor with 8GB of HBM2 memory, two Thunderbolt 3 ports, four USB 3 ports, an HDMI 2.0 port, and a DisplayPort 1.4 port, allowing for 85W of power to charge a MacBook Pro at the same time.

The eGPU is compatible with any Thunderbolt 3–enabled Mac, including the new space gray Mac mini and new MacBook Air with Retina display.

The Blackmagic eGPU Pro costs $1,199 and will be available to order from the Apple online store from late November.

From https://www.macrumors.com/2018/10/30/apple-store-lists-new-blackmagic-egpu-pro/?utm_source=osx&utm_medium=push&utm_campaign=mac
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Re: Blackmagic eGPU 'Pro', Available Late November for $1,19

PostTue Oct 30, 2018 3:51 pm

RX VEGA 56 is ~ $ 449 and an eGPU box is ~ $ 350, totals ~ $ 799.

I would consider this new eGPU kind of f*cking expensive.
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PostTue Oct 30, 2018 4:06 pm

Blackmagic eGPU Pro
$1,199.00
Compatible with any Thunderbolt 3–enabled Mac
Radeon RX Vega 56 graphics processor with 8GB of HBM2 memory
Two Thunderbolt 3 ports
Four USB 3 ports
HDMI 2.0 port
DisplayPort 1.4 port
85W power delivery

Blackmagic eGPU
$699.00
Compatible with Mac with Thunderbolt 3 ports
Radeon Pro 580 graphics processor with 8GB of GDDR5 memory
Two Thunderbolt 3 ports
Four USB 3 ports
One HDMI 2.0 port
85W power delivery
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Re: Blackmagic eGPU 'Pro', Available Late November for $1,19

PostTue Oct 30, 2018 7:39 pm

Isn't Nvidia much better than amd? I mean does a 1080TI outperform this radian card?
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PostTue Oct 30, 2018 7:42 pm

Will they add LUT support to supplement a 2nd monitor via the hdmi port?
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Re: Blackmagic eGPU 'Pro', Available Late November for $1,19

PostTue Oct 30, 2018 8:25 pm

GregGreenhaw wrote:Isn't Nvidia much better than amd? I mean does a 1080TI outperform this radian card?


It depends https://www.pugetsystems.com/labs/articles/DaVinci-Resolve-15-NVIDIA-GeForce-RTX-2070-Performance-1264/
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Re: Blackmagic eGPU 'Pro', Available Late November for $1,19

PostTue Oct 30, 2018 10:45 pm

GregGreenhaw wrote:Isn't Nvidia much better than amd? I mean does a 1080TI outperform this radian card?


Ya, but Apple and Nvideo got a divorce. Apple is dating AMD now.
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PostTue Oct 30, 2018 11:45 pm

Radeon Pro 580 vs Radeon RX Vega 56

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Noticeable in the picture below, Blackmagic eGPU Pro also features an additional DisplayPort that supports 5K monitors.

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Now @ https://www.blackmagicdesign.com/products/blackmagicegpu/
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Re: Blackmagic eGPU 'Pro', Available Late November for $1,19

PostWed Oct 31, 2018 9:20 am

Peter Odio wrote:Radeon Pro 580 vs Radeon RX Vega 56


your graph only shows the 580 vs whatever is in the MacBook Pro 13"/15"
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PostWed Oct 31, 2018 11:27 am

Peter Odio wrote:Noticeable in the picture below, Blackmagic eGPU Pro also features an additional DisplayPort that supports 5K monitors.


Yes, but still no video I/O in that box. I would only call it 'pro' at that price point if it would support direct connection of a calibrated screen – as recommended for any serious grading by BM.
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PostWed Oct 31, 2018 3:19 pm

I had it in my head that there was a Pro Vega 64 option for the BMD eGPU. Was I daydreaming?


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PostWed Oct 31, 2018 4:39 pm

I am thinking, it is a bit too expensive, not having even USB ports for connecting control devices.

Low noise is nice, but the MacBook pros are not that noiseless under load anyway. It should have something extra for that price.

Why is it available only at Apple, probably that explains the 30% extra on the price.
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PostWed Oct 31, 2018 6:01 pm

Kim, not sure what you feel is lacking in terms of USB:

“Blackmagic eGPU Pro has a DisplayPort connector so customers can connect a DisplayPort display for their workstation setup. The eGPU has 8GB of HBM2 memory, two Thunderbolt 3 ports, four USB 3 ports, an HDMI 2.0 port and a DisplayPort 1.4 port, allowing for 85W of power to charge your MacBook Pro at the same time.”

All four USB 3 ports are USB 3 Type A.


Agree price seems high. There seems to be even more price gouging stepping up to the Pro compared to the original GPU in Canada. Original $699 USD, $899 Can; Pro $1,199 USD—$500 more, $1,649 Can—$750 more.

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PostWed Oct 31, 2018 6:40 pm

My mistake, well at least it has USB ports, they are pretty important.

I was thinking going the eGPU route tested one inexpensive HP RX 580 setup (got it 400 euro) and it felt pretty ok with MPB 13" 2017. It had also place for SDD. The problem was, it had all kind of problems, did not charge the computer, crashed after sleep etc, so I returned it. Then came the BMD RX 580 eGPU and it felt adractive, but just a bit too expensive.

Few weeks a go I got a really good deal on MBP 15" 2018 with RX 555 so got that, have not really tested it yet with Davinci, but should be pretty ok.

As it happened I got also Mac Pro 2009 at 250 euro, so could not resist. It is dual prosessor and now updated with 12 core (actually 2 of 6 core) 3.5 GHz xeon processors, SSD, 64 Gb memory and RX 580 . So not so inexpensive any more but well below the new BMD eGPU price and it has PCI slots, it actually came with an old Decklink card that has SDI and HDMI in and out. Also did put 4 old 2Gb HD on it, they provide over 500 Mb/s rates in 3 disk RAID0, not bad.

At home I have Mac Pro 2013, it is working very well with FCPX and I quess also with Davinci.

So currently a bit too many computers, and just having one MBP and powerful eGPU is still very actractive alternative, just can not decide :D

I hope there would be clear comparation between the above mentioned systems. It is not easy to find information how much different things like how much memory, RX 580, Vega 56 or 64 etc affects the real life experience.

Maybe I should find time and do such testing, just would need the new BMD eGPU ;)
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PostWed Oct 31, 2018 9:16 pm

Kim, the charts posted earlier may help. But for me, the Barefeats benchmarks, posted a few weeks ago, convinced me that the 13” MacBook Pro with i5 processor was a better value with the original eGPU added than the 15” with i7. The i9 was no better than the i7 due to other design constraints. Take a look at those benchmarks that I trust more than numbers Apple published.

I bought 2 of the 13” MacBook Pros for the girls and if either of the girls needs more graphics power, I’ll add the BMD eGPU.

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PostThu Nov 01, 2018 2:54 am

What is confusing is that there is some reviews suggesting that the RX580 eGPU actually slows down the MPB 15" with Davinci. That is kind of why I went with MBP 15", will be interesting to see how it actually performs with the Vega 56 eGPU (on reviews first)

I am not using the Davinci currently but thinking going to that direction in future.
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PostThu Nov 01, 2018 5:14 am

Kim, the complications arise in the MacBook Pro 15” due to the discrete graphics processor on board. The 13” doesn’t have that and is greatly enhanced by the eGPU. Will watch for Barefeats to update their BMD eGPU benchmark when they get access to the new Oro Vega 56 version.


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PostThu Nov 01, 2018 7:04 am

Is there some DaVinci test projects available, that could be used to test the system. Would be nice for BMD to provide the test projects used on the above graphs.

I am not much for testing, but trying to make the right decision; what generation of CPU, how many cores, how much memory, what GPU, ends up to a complete disaster in lack of information, like I am now with too many computers. (there is some other reasons for that too)

It would be nice to see what kind of results other get with their systems, with some kind of standard real life skenario test.

The most important test for me though is that the timeline plays smooth and the UI is responsive. My video projects are not that big and not that many.

As for example on the Mac Pro 2009, when it was still 8 core 2.2 GHz with RX580 it was struggling badly playing back GH4 4k .MOV files. They played back ok for a second and then not so for an other when played in DaVinci or Quiktime. VLC was much better but not perfect. It was using 300% CPU so that was not really the problem. Now that it is upgraded to 12 core 3.5 GHz , the playback is better, but not perfect. There was similar problems reported with the RX580 eGPU and MBP... who knows, maybe it is the RX580, maybe older generation GPU, with eGPU maybe the Thunderbolt3... Also the Cinebench gives pretty bad results for the Mac Pro 2009 with RX580 on OpenGL test, especially with the above mentioned 8 core setup. Heaven gives better, more like what is expected.
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Re: Blackmagic eGPU 'Pro', Available Late November for $1,19

PostThu Nov 01, 2018 8:18 am

It's not the GPU, it doesn't decode the GOP codec in that case.
The GPU will be your limiting factor when you add lots of corrections and filters, but not in simple playback.

The proof: try playing back some Braw. It's all about the codec.
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PostThu Nov 01, 2018 1:31 pm

Kim, Barefeats independent testing is likely as good as any as they are not linked to any hardware or software products. Vendor tests are always suspect as their content and methodology are not published in any detail so it’s possible the tests are skewed to their advantage.


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PostFri Nov 02, 2018 1:36 am

Kim Janson wrote:Is there some DaVinci test projects available, that could be used to test the system. Would be nice for BMD to provide the test projects used on the above graphs.

There are some "standard candle" Resolve tests discussed at length on LiftGammaGain.com.
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