Broadcast Panel Yes or No?

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Re: Broadcast Panel Yes or No?

PostSat Mar 18, 2017 9:42 am

+1 for both options!
I run a BMD Panel alongside an Xkeys / JM setup on lots of shows. The BMD panel is ergonomically a million times better than any Xkeys and it doesn't suffer from the cheap buttons and poor illumination which makes Xkeys look shoddy and make it hard to tell what their panels are doing.

JM and Xkeys is a great combination if you are an advanced user with some programming experience. If you don't write any code then you'll find it daunting and will probably need some help to get it running.

Skaarhoj's unisketch model provides the most powerful platform for people who need flexible control but don't write code.



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Re: Broadcast Panel Yes or No?

PostSat Mar 18, 2017 1:33 pm

Xtreemtec wrote:A Im sorry John, i meant the stand alone hardware panels that don't rely on the BMD sdk..


Absolutely nothing to apologize for, just wanted to make sure any casual readers understood there is a difference between some of the solutions being discussed, in terms of use of officially supported SDK and the reversed engineered protocol solutions. For most customers it actually makes no difference whatsoever, but from a kinda "pro risk analysis point of view", there is a "night and day" element.

Ian Morrish wrote:I use a 1ME broadcast panel every week but couldn't do without the extra smarts of a scripting solution to improve the workflow in a live production (I use a rack mounted Mac Mini - running Windows which hasn't crashed in over 2 years).
Example of my XKR-32 layout which I would prefer over the broadcast panel if I could only have one or the other, because I can have a "shifted" key call a function that makes full use of the ATEM (and other) API's...
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Ian, it's worth us (or the wide Xkeys community over on ATEMUser) discussing at some point "Key Sets", I'm going to ask PI Eng to print me (make available as a pack) a set of the New Key designs printed up with what I think the "Ideal ATEM XK124 Layout is". But there are so many panels, and combinations of panels BMD customers use to drive the ATEMs, I'd like to gather wider opinions and I'm certain PI Engineering will be interested in your opinion and Power Shell extensions.

Tom_Bassford wrote:+1 for both options!
I run a BMD Panel alongside an Xkeys / JM setup on lots of shows. The BMD panel is ergonomically a million times better than any Xkeys and it doesn't suffer from the cheap buttons and poor illumination which makes Xkeys look shoddy and make it hard to tell what their panels are doing.


Cheers for the plug Tom, Worth checking out the new XKeys buttons used on the vMix layout, are they now perfect? - Noop, Are they much better? Yeap definitely.

Tom_Bassford wrote:JM and Xkeys is a great combination if you are an advanced user with some programming experience. If you don't write any code then you'll find it daunting and will probably need some help to get it running.


Thanks again; IMHO: Code and scripts are the only pure way to communicate with a computer, but obviously I'm fairly biased. Anyone just getting started, help is available on hundreds of topics and thousands of posts, check out the JustMacros subforum over on the excellent ATEMUser Tom kindly runs for our community. You'll find I try to answer most questions but there are many very knowledgeable and helpful users who will help you out if I'm a bit a slow at times.

http://www.atemuser.com/forums/atem-vision-mixers/blackmagic-atems/just-macros

And for those of you like me, who hadn't checked out Kaspars UniSketch (what Tom's talking about), I advise starting here:

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Re: Broadcast Panel Yes or No?

PostSat Mar 18, 2017 1:37 pm

:) +1 for atemuser.com there are loads of really helpful people there who are happy to jump in and get people up to speed with JustMacros and the many other solutions that the 3rd party development community has created.




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Re: Broadcast Panel Yes or No?

PostSat Mar 18, 2017 9:50 pm

Got a Skaarhoj E201-M16 yesterday and started playing with it.
Build quality and buttons are great and unisketch is amazing.
I am only beginning to understand how powerful this device is - with one smart button and an encoder next to it you can basically control everything.
This is fantastic stuff and infinitely better than the xkeys solution we used so far.

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Re: Broadcast Panel Yes or No?

PostMon Mar 20, 2017 1:47 am

Right now I use an x-keys 16 panel on my tvs
Cameras 1-6 are on the left are the preview bus
The far right keys (15- 16) are take and dissolve
The middle keys are for graphics
But it works for me and I do like the feel of the buttons rather than using the mouse
I do like the look of the 32 x-keys
a Novice driver
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Re: Broadcast Panel Yes or No?

PostMon Mar 20, 2017 7:12 am

it's worth us (or the wide Xkeys community over on ATEMUser) discussing at some point "Key Sets", I'm going to ask PI Eng to print me (make available as a pack) a set of the New Key designs printed up with what I think the "Ideal ATEM XK124 Layout is". But there are so many panels, and combinations of panels BMD customers use to drive the ATEMs, I'd like to gather wider opinions and I'm certain PI Engineering will be interested in your opinion and Power Shell extensions.

My one issue with X-Keys is the flimsy keycaps. Always loosing a keycap cover so these new keycaps sound awesome and probably worth the investment.
Skaarhoj gear is very professional but out of the budget range for most people I have dealt with.
I have found most Midi control surfaces to be more rugged than X-Keys so hopefully these new key caps make X-Keys more attractive.

For the minimal price difference, I would go for the XL-24 over the 16. My standard XK-24 layout is based on a horizontal placement...
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Depending on the $NZ/$US exchange rate, the XK-60 comes in just under the tax threshold and is an awesome option. My current layout for that is
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