1080pATEM Solution

anyone else thinks this needs to be released? We have moved all of our live production gear to 1080p cameras, projectors, and obviously computer inputs. I love the ATEM series, but would really like to see 1080p output to projection. I was really hoping for an announcement for this at NAB.

That makes 2 of us, although with the announcement of the 4k switcher, I would imagine we will get some kind of firmware updates. The new BMD Production camera doesn't show that it shoots in 60fps so maybe we will at least get some options for lower frame rates hopefully.

Unfortunately the 4K actually skips right over 1080p and goes from 1080i straight to 4k, check out the specs, I just don't understand this move.

yes 1080p would be a lot more use than 4k.

The new stuff is 4k 6G SDI whatever that is? Its certainly not a broadcast format.

1080p
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I agree, when I did go look at the specs of the 4K ATEM, I was expecting to see 1080P listed to be honest. If it can do progressive 4K, why no 1080P and 2K?

The other diappointment were the HDMI inputs. Please consider to make all inputs SDI with 2 inputs switchable to HDMI on future ATEM devices. That way it would be much more usable.
Yes, HDMI inputs can be handy, but most of us will only use 2 max and we will have lots of times we would wish 8 SDI inputs on an 8 inputs mixer.

Apart from this, a great piece of gear to get the 4K format within reach of everyone!

I disagree with the HDMI suggestion. How many laptops have a HD-SDI output? We use several for video playback and graphics, and thankfully, the ATEM has HDMI inputs.

yes 1080p would be a lot more use than 4k.

The new stuff is 4k 6G SDI whatever that is? Its certainly not a broadcast format.

6G SDI is an extension of SMPTE 424M to 6Gbit/s speeds.
you can find references to it in the litterature of most FPGA manufacturers.

An extension by whom though? Can anyone link to a SMPTE document about this 6G standard? Or to a doc on a camera manufactures website promising to include it in some future product?

It seems that there is not a widespread consensus on the format that broadcast 4k will use (there are competing standards for both the production and delivery side) I don't get why BMD are jumping in at this point, when they still have unfinished HD switchers which are lacking the basic tools needed for live production.

a couple seconds of googling, and you would have found it referenced here :

http://mspd.client.shareholder.com/rele ... eID=754896

http://www.upsidesales.com/compliance-t ... dards.html

http://www.eetimes.com/electronics-prod ... -for-3D-TV

where they even mention "The Broadcast Connectivity kits will also accommodate the higher speeds required by 3D, Digital Cinema and Ultra HDTV (6G-SDI, 10G-SDI and 12G-SDI) in the future"

http://www.sportsvideo.org/nab2013/late ... solutions/

http://www.home.agilent.com/upload/cmc_ ... =FR&lc=fre

http://www.onlineprnews.com/news/367209 ... lines.html

http://www.altera.com/products/devkits/ ... -gbps.html

and tons more...

so, looks like you may have lived under a rock or something...

Nice I like the rude tone of your posts, very helpful. Did you really think that I hadn't typed 6G HDSDI into google? Maybe you could consider that most of the "easy to find" links on your google are not present on mine
I get only one FPGA development link on my front page, but then i'm not an FPGA developer...


So you cannot link to a SMPTE doc detailing the specification, nor to any docs which have actual details about the 6G specification (in terms of possible transmitted frame sizes, framerate and details of any interlacing systems present in the standard) This would seem to indicate that the "standard" is yet to be widely adopted and possibly that it isn't actually a standard at all.

I don't live "under a rock" I live in the real world, where 1080 50p / 60p is the "next" needed standard for broadcast, we need it now for current installations to be future proof for the next decade or so.

The state of 4k now is a little like HD was in the mid 1990s - there are some expensive top end home systems, no broadcast format and no real agreement about even the shape of the screens let alone how many pixels they should have.

Until there is an actual spec for 4k broadcasting that has been agreed and rolled out then there is no point in people producing 4k live production equipment.

standards like this usually come "after the fact", this has been true with most recent wifi developments, and can certainely be true of the sdi transmission speeds.

when you look at companies manufacturing "6G-sdi" devices, you find most if not all FPGA manufacturers, which represent 100% of the hardware used in video these days. the standard is thus "coming really soon now".

for instance, dual link 1.5G SDI was folded into 3G as soon as the FPGA manufacturers were able to build chips able to go at that speed. (and ST424 was born)
ST-424 defines 2:1 multiplexing of ST-292 streams.

if you check the smpte site, you'll find ST-435, for 10G SDI (apparently only over fiber) which defines 8:1 multiplexing of ST-292 streams.