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ATEM camera control panel?

PostPosted: Fri Feb 02, 2018 7:07 am
by Kevin Norris
Can this panel be used with the Ursa Broadcast camera without connecting through an ATEM switcher?

Re: ATEM camera control panel?

PostPosted: Fri Feb 02, 2018 7:23 am
by Denny Smith
Probably not, as it is an ATEM control panel, like,the switcher control panel. Both connect to the system via a network connector, with the computer software as the hub.
Cheers

Re: ATEM camera control panel?

PostPosted: Fri Feb 02, 2018 9:55 am
by Kim Janson
It would be very nice to have some connection drawings that explain what units work together and what kind of features they provide.

I am sure there is many like me, very confused what unit does what and works with what other units and what are the best units to use in certain case.

BMD please provide descriptions of different (typical) example cases and explain why it is good to use those units on that case. I am sure this would increase your sales greatly.

Re: ATEM camera control panel?

PostPosted: Fri Feb 02, 2018 10:05 am
by Raphaël Jacquot
Kim Janson wrote:It would be very nice to have some connection drawings that explain what units work together and what kind of features they provide.

I am sure there is many like me, very confused what unit does what and works with what other units and what are the best units to use in certain case.

BMD please provide descriptions of different (typical) example cases and explain why it is good to use those units on that case. I am sure this would increase your sales greatly.


this should answer your questions. the camera control panel is a control surface, that talks the atem control protocol. it thus talk to the atem switcher, and is used to set and display the current settings for each camera that is managed by said switcher
https://www.blackmagicdesign.com/produc ... s#W-ABP-04

Re: ATEM camera control panel?

PostPosted: Fri Feb 02, 2018 12:02 pm
by Kim Janson
Thanks, but I am missing kind of the bigger picture. there should be some descriptions that pull all the related units together and explain on what combinations they can be used, and on what combination they are wise to use.

For example, I want to control Pan Tilt head via BMMSC Expansion port VISCA interface that receives the Pan Tilt control over SDI. What units currently support controlling the Pan Tilt head?

The Pan Tilt head functionality is already tested with Arduino SDI shield, it can be controlled over SDI on this setup. The question is, what other units than Arduino SDI shield can provide the control.

I already received information that "The v7.0 release for the ATEM has support for basic PTZ output in the SDI protocol for pan and tilt." but that still leaves the question what units support that, is there SW joystick, what HW joystick options is there etc.

The information probably is out there, but difficult to find it and need to ask, witch is not too bad as the answers are often available, but I would much prefer to have this big picture documented.

Re: ATEM camera control panel?

PostPosted: Fri Feb 02, 2018 2:19 pm
by Raphaël Jacquot
Kim Janson wrote:I already received information that "The v7.0 release for the ATEM has support for basic PTZ output in the SDI protocol for pan and tilt." but that still leaves the question what units support that, is there SW joystick, what HW joystick options is there etc.


considering the smpte fiber converters have a ptz port, they probably do support this

Re: ATEM camera control panel?

PostPosted: Fri Feb 02, 2018 2:25 pm
by Julien Cadilhac
Hello, do you think that in the end, the LCDs above each slice can be used for video monitoring? For the moment, I did not understand what it's good for except to display Camera 1, 2 etc ... ??

Re: ATEM camera control panel?

PostPosted: Fri Feb 02, 2018 2:36 pm
by DanielDroege
Julien Cadilhac wrote:Hello, do you think that in the end, the LCDs above each slice can be used for video monitoring? For the moment, I did not understand what it's good for except to display Camera 1, 2 etc ... ??


Would be nice but I don't think so. You would need some SDI Inputs on the back of the device but there are power and ethernet only. :(

Re: ATEM camera control panel?

PostPosted: Fri Feb 02, 2018 2:43 pm
by Raphaël Jacquot
DanielDroege wrote:
Julien Cadilhac wrote:Hello, do you think that in the end, the LCDs above each slice can be used for video monitoring? For the moment, I did not understand what it's good for except to display Camera 1, 2 etc ... ??


Would be nice but I don't think so. You would need some SDI Inputs on the back of the device but there are power and ethernet only. :(


suppose they could send small videos across the ethernet, I don't know how much extra space is available in the mixer FPGAs to do that (they could potentially reuse the scaler that is in the multiview)
as for the panel, I'm not sure how much processing power there's available, also, no clue about the video interface between the panel's processor and the lcds

Re: ATEM camera control panel?

PostPosted: Fri Feb 02, 2018 10:56 pm
by Denny Smith
I am with you Kim, a nice block diagram showing the various accessory connections to ATEM and cameras, etc., like Sony used to do for their broadcast cameras showing the interconnection between the various bits.
Cheers

Re: ATEM camera control panel?

PostPosted: Wed Feb 07, 2018 4:32 pm
by Xtreemtec
Cool feature that would be.. BUT.. what is the added worth? These are so small that you won't have a good clear view of what you are doing. And they will use the screen for more menu functions in the future as there are 4 buttons above and 4 rotaries under the LCD"s..

Also to have a good reference if your shading is on track with all other cameras you want to see those sources together.. So have a multiviewer in front of you gives a more clear picture if you are right.
Also you want a good calibrated reference monitor in front of you to have a accurate color representation.. Forget about that with those small lcd's..

But maybe S Vreuls should chip in here.. He is shader for living. He knows all about it. :)

Re: ATEM camera control panel?

PostPosted: Wed Feb 14, 2018 3:22 am
by Rodger Combs
The CCUs have ethernet ports on them as well, so I'm hoping they'll support connecting to the panel via LAN, rather than requiring the data to be injected in the return SDI feed by an ATEM switcher.

Re: ATEM camera control panel?

PostPosted: Thu Feb 15, 2018 3:44 pm
by Xtreemtec
The ethernet is only for ethernet in a future update.. So if you have anything that runs on ethernet on your camera tripod or want to use GreenGo intercom instead of bmd intercom you are able too.. ;)
But the connection will be point 2 point network..

The protocol will always be embedded in the SDI to be compatible with the BMD hardware.

But hey.. If you want to use Fiber and Ursa's and Ursa shading panel?? And not use a Atem for switching??

Why not add a TVS HD for your shading connection.. They are not that expensive anymore guys.. ;)
But remember you will also need some other way to insert tally from your other mixer.. So a sdi shield is needed to add tally.. And some other issues might arise too... So why not go the whole BMD way.. :)