UpDownCross HD a replacement for Decimator MD-HX?

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UpDownCross HD a replacement for Decimator MD-HX?

PostMon Apr 09, 2018 7:43 pm

Anyone know if the new UpDownCross will convert frame rates too, Ala the Decimator MD-HX?
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Re: UpDownCross HD a replacement for Decimator MD-HX?

PostMon Apr 09, 2018 8:01 pm

I am pretty sure the UpDownCross will not convert frame rate. There is no cheaper replacement for the MD-HX for what all it will do.
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Re: UpDownCross HD a replacement for Decimator MD-HX?

PostMon Apr 09, 2018 8:13 pm

I think it does. If it only converts without converting frame rates it would only be an up/down converter. Now it is a UpDown/Cross so it converts frame rates.
From the website: "Mini Converter UpDownCross HD is a full standards converter that lets you convert any SD or HD video format to any other SD or HD video format using high quality Teranex algorithms!" Up to 1080p60 in both level A and B.
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Re: UpDownCross HD a replacement for Decimator MD-HX?

PostMon Apr 09, 2018 8:21 pm

Page 83>> http://documents.blackmagicdesign.com/Converters/20180405-2c80b0/Blackmagic_Converters_Manual.pdf

Looking at the table you set the output resolution / framerate you want and it does convert to that standard.

So yes it will do framerate and resolution conversion as does the teranex engine were they took it from. ;)

It is the -$80 dollar box compared to the Decimator MD-HX. Which does has a few extra options that this box does not have.. (Audio remapping, Color on lost signal and i do forget a few i guess)
But this is BMD's awnser to the MD-HX that we all love so much.. ;)

Now it is a wait if Decimator or BMD is the first to come with the same type of box but then with 12G-sdi added :D Like a Teranex AV but then in a tiny package.. Who will be first..
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Re: UpDownCross HD a replacement for Decimator MD-HX?

PostMon Apr 09, 2018 8:29 pm

To add to that:: Website says>
Format Conversion

Video Conversion
Convert any SD and HD input to "720p50, 720p59.94, 720p60
1080p23.98, 1080p24, 1080p25, 1080p29.97, 1080p30, 1080p50, 1080p59.94, 1080p60
1080i50, 1080i59.94, 1080i60"

Computer Scaling
Scale DVI resolutions 640x480, 800x600, 1024x768 to 525i59.94, 625i50,720p50, 720p59.94, 720p60 1080p23.98, 1080p24, 1080p25, 1080p29.97, 1080p30, 1080p50, 1080p59.94, 1080p60 1080i50, 1080i59.94, 1080i60
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Re: UpDownCross HD a replacement for Decimator MD-HX?

PostMon Apr 09, 2018 8:50 pm

Cool. Thanks for correcting me, Daniel. I am almost positive earlier versions did not do that. Glad to see they do.

Also, I missed the word "new" in the original post.
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Re: UpDownCross HD a replacement for Decimator MD-HX?

PostMon Apr 09, 2018 9:19 pm

Scott Smith wrote:Cool. Thanks for correcting me, Daniel. I am almost positive earlier versions did not do that. Glad to see they do.


The reference above shows] the new model specs updated on their website and announced this afternoon at NAB. I don't think the original did this either :D
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Re: UpDownCross HD a replacement for Decimator MD-HX?

PostMon Apr 09, 2018 9:24 pm

Ah, I wasn't sure about my lousy memory, but really thought these units didn't do that. Good clarification, and a notable one for the original poster's question that breaks down to "buy one of the very newest ones if you need this".
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Re: UpDownCross HD a replacement for Decimator MD-HX?

PostMon Apr 09, 2018 10:32 pm

From the manual, it looks like the only way to set the output format is through the physical switches on the side of the unit. It would be nice if they allowed for setting this through the software setup utility over USB, but it looks like the only option there is for the aspect ratio.

The Decimator MD-HX is still a more flexible converter, since it lets you independently set the input source for each output (HDMI, SDI 1/2, and SDI 3/4) and so you can have some outputs go through the scaler and others not. And it can actually do simultaneous HDMI to SDI and SDI to HDMI conversion on two distinct input signals (although since there's only one scaling engine, only one of these conversions can have scaling or frame rate conversions applied).

The Decimator also has an LCD screen so that it's easy to verify the input and output signal formats, which can be useful for diagnostics. And it allows for changing all the settings via physical buttons and via software over USB.

Still the UpDownCross HD looks like it could be a lower cost alternative for many applications. Especially in situations where you know you always want to do a particular conversion, then you can just set the switches on the unit once and leave it.
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Re: UpDownCross HD a replacement for Decimator MD-HX?

PostTue Apr 10, 2018 6:09 am

And cost is accately what BMD was after. So users stop saying oh you need a MD-HX for that. Because BMD now has a own device that Will do. ;)

Now a 4K version like they did into the Atem Television Studio Pro 4K.
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Re: UpDownCross HD a replacement for Decimator MD-HX?

PostTue Apr 10, 2018 3:12 pm

The UDC has an external reference input, the MD-HX does not. When using a switcher that requires genlock, an UDC works very well for reclocking inputs.
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Re: UpDownCross HD a replacement for Decimator MD-HX?

PostTue Apr 10, 2018 4:39 pm

Yes .. I was used UDC as a framelock synchronizer .. works nice ..
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Re: UpDownCross HD a replacement for Decimator MD-HX?

PostTue Apr 10, 2018 5:04 pm

joeyloman wrote:The UDC has an external reference input, the MD-HX does not. When using a switcher that requires genlock, an UDC works very well for reclocking inputs.

MD-HX does allow you to sync to an incoming video signal. I have frequently run SDI as a reference when using the box to convert from HDMI to SDI. Works great with computers to convert video from HDMI to HDSDI and have it synced. But it doesn't have a separate input specifically for that, and will not use tri-level sync.
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Re: UpDownCross HD a replacement for Decimator MD-HX?

PostTue Apr 10, 2018 5:10 pm

I just looked at that new UDC again, and realize it has both HDMI and SDI for inputs and outputs. So it is far more like the Decimator than i realized. Nice. Glad to see that.

So they've basically caught up with Decimator on this product, but at a lower price point. That's a win. But an UpDownCross4K like this would have been a game-changer.
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Re: UpDownCross HD a replacement for Decimator MD-HX?

PostTue Apr 10, 2018 6:55 pm

Scott Smith wrote:So they've basically caught up with Decimator on this product, but at a lower price point. That's a win.

But Decimator have lot of features .. Like 4 SDI Outs (works as a distributor) , Audio remaping, etc ..
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Re: UpDownCross HD a replacement for Decimator MD-HX?

PostTue Apr 10, 2018 7:05 pm

Scott Smith wrote:But an UpDownCross4K like this would have been a game-changer.

That is what BMD calls a Teranex AV
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