Multiplexing with fiber

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Kevin McGrath

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Multiplexing with fiber

PostSat May 19, 2018 12:27 pm

Just an question
Is there a way of using the studio converter and the camera converter to also carry Ethernet signals for ptz control. This way I would have to run a 300 foot Ethernet cable for ptz control
I would rather do it on one simple fiber line
What other signals would you like to see the fiber line carry.
Open to suggestions. The more the merrier
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Re: Multiplexing with fiber

PostSat May 19, 2018 1:24 pm

For a ptz camera, you don't need the video return. If you have a duplex fiber, you can use the second fibre with a cheap ethernet converter to have the ptz control.
The most difficult is to find converter with one single mode fiber and LC connector. If you need a return for the ethernet, you must find converter with 2 different wavelength. First converter send at 1310 and receive at 1550 and the other is the reverse receive at 1310 and send at 1550 and your fiber become a cat6 ethernet cable
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Re: Multiplexing with fiber

PostSat May 19, 2018 2:20 pm

As Denis mentioned. Gigabit SFPs are available as "BiDi" (bi-directional) that handles communication over one fiber.
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Re: Multiplexing with fiber

PostSat May 19, 2018 10:50 pm

1. as mentioned, easiest solution, although not multiplexing, is to replace the return video fiber with a set of one-strand gigabit media converters to carry your PTZ data.

2. if you actually need the return video, then next easiest solution is to upgrade your fiber cable to 4 or 6 strand cable, using the extra strands for ethernet MCs.

3. If you are hell bent on using return video and sticking with 2 strand cable, then you will have to "roll your own" solution with optical splitters/combiners and devices with other frequencies of laser to share the glass with what you are already using. there are a few pre-built solutions that don't include the talkback function of the BMD converters, but will get you video both ways + ethernet.

the second solution is what we live by, all of our cable is either 6 or 12 core fiber. we just bundle gear that we need in a location into a rack case so there is only one fiber cable to run between ends. VERY time efficient when it comes to setup/teardown.

as for what all do you want signal wise in fiber? we have created many systems that transport many 3G-SDI video in both directions, ethernet via managed switches (multiple networks), and audio/comms channels for mics, ifbs and intercom.

pictured here, 6 strands of fiber gets you
3 in and 3 out 3G-SDI video
6 isolated ethernet networks, with 2GB of bandwidth between ends
32in and 32 out audio, 24x24 for general audio needs, and 8x8 for 8 discrete channels of intercom belt packs
extension of one matrix intercom panel (RTS ADAM-ZEUS)
the top box goes near your control room, the bottom box goes in the field/annouce booth/wherever you need signals. the 6 little red caps on each box is where the fiber goes between ends.
we've been using this system for years with no issues, on some pretty high profile network broadcasts

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it's pretty cool what you can do with fiber and a little imagination. :-)
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Re: Multiplexing with fiber

PostSun May 20, 2018 1:42 am

I've seen fiber converters that are specifically made for this purpose with PTZ cameras. It's a fiber converter with SDI and RS232 / RS285 / RS422 euro block. Thor Broadcast makes a few and there's of course the off brand chinese ones you can find.

https://thorbroadcast.com/products/sdi-2
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Re: Multiplexing with fiber

PostSun May 20, 2018 3:05 pm

You can also get Bidis for video connections (forward and return over the same strand). I haven't tried it but maybe you can swap the SFP in your SDI-Fiber converter to a Bidi-SFP and use just 1 strand for video forward/return and the other strand for network.

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Re: Multiplexing with fiber

PostTue May 22, 2018 9:04 am

@Kevin, I see you have AW HE60.. We are busy with a unit that does SDI, genlock and network over 2 strands fiber.. (Duocon, Fieldcast, DualLC whatever you preffer) ;)
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Re: Multiplexing with fiber

PostWed May 23, 2018 12:10 am

Xtreemtec wrote:@Kevin, I see you have AW HE60.. We are busy with a unit that does SDI, genlock and network over 2 strands fiber.. (Duocon, Fieldcast, DualLC whatever you preffer) ;)

Please kindly explain

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Re: Multiplexing with fiber

PostWed May 23, 2018 12:39 pm

We are developing a product like that. As we also develop Fiber muxes with 4 SDI tranceivers, Network, Sync, Data, etc trough 2 fibers.. ;)

But we develope a unit tailor made for PTZ cameras.
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