URSA & URSA Mini EF Lens Compatibility List - Firmware 3.0+

So as the URSA Min 4.6K is now shipping and many already have their hands on the URSA Mini 4K I thought it might be good to compile an updated Lens Compatibility List.

Many have asked if APS-C lenses will vignette on the 4.6K sensor. Some will (mostly Canon branded), some won't (those that are also available in Nikon mount). So I've added an extra field to test for this.

Here is the template:
Lens model:
Focal Length:
AF works: (yes/no)
Aperture control: (yes/no)
IS works: (yes/no/NA)
Vignettes: (yes/no) *on the 4.6K

Here is my list so far:

Canon Lenses
Lens model: EF 14mm f/2.8L II USM
Focal Length: 14mm
AF works: no - tested by Jerry
Aperture control: no - tested by jerrygladh
IS works: n/a
Vignettes: no - Full Frame lens

Lens model: Canon 50mm f/1.4 EF
Focal Length: 50mm
AF works: Yes
Aperture control: Yes
IS works: N/A
Vignettes: No

Lens model: EF 100mm f/2.8L Macro IS USM
Focal Length: 100mm
AF works: Yes
Aperture control: Yes
IS works: Yes
Vignettes: No

Lens model: TS-E 24mm f/3.5 L
Focal Length: 24mm
AF works: manual focus lens
Aperture control: yes
IS works: n/a
Vignettes: no - even with TS adjustments - tested by Sebastian Kaz

Lens model: 24-70mm f/2.8L II USM
Focal Length: 24-70mm
AF works: yes
Aperture control: yes
IS works: n/a
Vignettes: no - Full Frame lens

Lens model: EF 24-105mm 1:4 L IS USM
Focal Length: 24-105mm
AF works: yes
Aperture control: yes
IS works: yes
Vignettes: no - Full Frame Lens

Lens model: EF 70-200mm f/2.8L IS II USM
Focal Length: 70-200mm
AF works: yes
Aperture control: yes
IS works: yes
Vignettes: no - Full Frame Lens
Note: Jerry reports his is not working on his URSA Mini 4K with firmware 3.1


Lens model: EF 70-200mm 1:4 L IS USM
Focal Length: 70-200mm
AF works: yes
Aperture control: yes
IS works: yes
Vignettes: no - Full Frame Lens

Lens model: EF 70-200mm 1:4 L IS USM plus EXTENDER EF 2x II
Focal Length: 70-200mm
AF works: no
Aperture control: yes
IS works: yes
Vignettes: no - Full Frame Lens


Carl Zeiss Lenses
Lens model: Distagon T* 2/35mm ZE
Focal Length: 35mm
AF works: n/a (manual focus lens)
Aperture control: yes - tested by Philippe Metro
IS works: n/a
Vignettes: no - Full Frame Lens

Lens model: Planar T* 1,4/85mm ZE
Focal Length: 85mm
AF works: n/a (manual focus lens)
Aperture control: yes - tested by Philippe Metro
IS works: n/a
Vignettes: no - Full Frame Lens

Sigma Lenses
Lens model: 50mm 1:1.4 DG ART
Focal Length: 50mm
AF works: yes
Aperture control: yes
IS works: NA
Vignettes: no - Full Frame Lens

Lens model: 35mm 1:1.4 DG ART
Focal Length: 35mm
AF works: yes
Aperture control: yes
IS works: NA
Vignettes: no - Full Frame Lens

Lens model: 24mm 1:1.4 DG ART
Focal Length: 24mm
AF works: yes
Aperture control: yes
IS works: NA
Vignettes: no - Full Frame Lens

Lens model: 18-35mm 1:1.8 DC ART
Focal Length: 18-35mm
AF works: yes
Aperture control: yes
IS works: NA
Vignettes: no - covers full 4.6K sensor at all focal lengths.

Lens model: 17-50mm 1:2.8 EX HSM
Focal Length: 17-50mm
AF works: yes
Aperture control: yes
IS works: yes
Vignettes: yes - on the wide end (17-19mm) there is some slight vignetting in the corners

Lens model: 10-20mm 1:3.5 DC HSM
Focal Length: 10-20mm
AF works: yes
Aperture control: yes
IS works: yes
Vignettes: yes - on the wide end (10-11mm) there is some slight vignetting in the corners


Tokina Lenses
Lens model: Tokina 11-20mm f/2.8 AT-X Pro DX
Focal Length: 11-20mm
AF works: Yes
Aperture control: Yes
IS works: N/A
Vignettes: No

Added 2 additional Sigma DC (crop sensor) lenses to the list.

Has anyone used the canon CN-E range of lenses on the UM4.6k? Mine aren't showing the Tstop in the viewfinder correctly, just a random aperture that's locked no matter what your lens is set to....


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Has anyone used the canon CN-E range of lenses on the UM4.6k? Mine aren't showing the Tstop in the viewfinder correctly, just a random aperture that's locked no matter what your lens is set to...

The CN-E lenses have manual aperture. So the camera does not control the aperture and have not way of knowing what it's set to. You read the aperture from the lens barrel kist like you do on any other cine lens.

Has anyone used the canon CN-E range of lenses on the UM4.6k? Mine aren't showing the Tstop in the viewfinder correctly, just a random aperture that's locked no matter what your lens is set to...

The CN-E lenses have manual aperture. So the camera does not control the aperture and have not way of knowing what it's set to. You read the aperture from the lens barrel kist like you do on any other cine lens.

Really, I didn't realise my lenses were manual.... What I'm saying is that the communication between the lens and the camera should tell the camera what stop they are at so that this information is displayed in the viewfinder.

Really, I didn't realise my lenses were manual.... What I'm saying is that the communication between the lens and the camera should tell the camera what stop they are at so that this information is displayed in the viewfinder.

As the camera is not in control of the iris it won't display the aperture value. Same applies if you use the Carl Zeiss CP.2 Primes or the Schneider Xenon FF-Primes.

Really, I didn't realise my lenses were manual.... What I'm saying is that the communication between the lens and the camera should tell the camera what stop they are at so that this information is displayed in the viewfinder.

As the camera is not in control of the iris it won't display the aperture value. Same applies if you use the Carl Zeiss CP.2 Primes or the Schneider Xenon FF-Primes.

That wasn't true when used on the canon c-500, there are contacts on the lens for a reason, one of those is to send information back to the camera. So it should be a reasonable expectation that BM could display that in the viewfinder.

Really, I didn't realise my lenses were manual.... What I'm saying is that the communication between the lens and the camera should tell the camera what stop they are at so that this information is displayed in the viewfinder.

As the camera is not in control of the iris it won't display the aperture value. Same applies if you use the Carl Zeiss CP.2 Primes or the Schneider Xenon FF-Primes.

That wasn't true when used on the canon c-500, there are contacts on the lens for a reason, one of those is to send information back to the camera. So it should be a reasonable expectation that BM could display that in the viewfinder.

That's on a Canon body with Canon proprietary firmware... you'll obviously get more info passed back and forth between the camera and the lens.

BM has reverse engineered the Canon protocols so they can control EF lenses. Canon don't publish any of those specs so support is limited. One of the reasons for the list above.

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[quote="Glenn Hanns"]Really, I didn't realise my lenses were manual.... What I'm saying is that the communication between the lens and the camera should tell the camera what stop they are at so that this information is displayed in the viewfinder.

As the camera is not in control of the iris it won't display the aperture value. Same applies if you use the Carl Zeiss CP.2 Primes or the Schneider Xenon FF-Primes.

That wasn't true when used on the canon c-500, there are contacts on the lens for a reason, one of those is to send information back to the camera. So it should be a reasonable expectation that BM could display that in the viewfinder.

That's on a Canon body with Canon proprietary firmware... you'll obviously get more info passed back and forth between the camera and the lens.

BM has reverse engineered the Canon protocols so they can control EF lenses. Canon don't publish any of those specs so support is limited. One of the reasons for the list above. [/quote]

I guess I'm hoping that if propriety protocols have been worked out to control iris on L series glass then a simple information readout is beyond the scope of the engineers at BM?

I guess I'm hoping that if propriety protocols have been worked out to control iris on L series glass then a simple information readout is beyond the scope of the engineers at BM?

I could make a list as long as both arms of things that should be in the cameras, that on the surface should not be beyond the scope of the engineers... who know... It might be added.

The BMCC had many features never on the spec sheet added later via firmware. So we know the BM engineers are always working on the firmware.

If / when they do add it I'd like them to also include the F-stop date in the metadata of the DNGs. That would be super useful to.

Yes, agreed. It would help the VFX crowd greatly.


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EF 70-200mm f/2.8L IS II USM

Not working, at least not on the Mini 4K EF and FW 3.1

Jerry

EF 70-200mm f/2.8L IS II USM

Not working, at least not on the Mini 4K EF and FW 3.1

Strange. The one I tested worked just fine. Will add a note to the list. Thanks

EF 70-200mm f/2.8L IS II USM

Not working, at least not on the Mini 4K EF and FW 3.1

Jerry

I have the Tamron equivalent/exact knock-off of this Canon lens. When mounted on my mini 4.6k, the aperture setting goes to "A" for automatic, but I can't make any adjustments to the iris. The Iris button, which I think is supposed to function as a "one touch" auto-iris setting isn't working either.

Is this a lens that's just not going to work on the 4.6k? Or is is a firmware update equation?
thanks!

The aperture of Zeiss ZE 35mm f/2 and 85mm f/1.4 is working as expected.

Canon L 14mm 2.8 II not working on Mini 4K EF

Jerry

The aperture of Zeiss ZE 35mm f/2 and 85mm f/1.4 is working as expected.

Will add them to the list. Thanks.

Canon L 14mm 2.8 II not working on Mini 4K EF

Will add this to the list. Thanks.

I have two to add to the list

Canon 24-70mm f/2.8L II USM (surprised it's not in the list yet)
No vignetting (FF lens), aperture works, AF works, does not have IS built in

Canon TS-E 24mm f/3.5 L
No vignetting (FF lens - even with TS adjustments), aperture works, manual focus, does not have IS built in

I have two to add to the list

Canon 24-70mm f/2.8L II USM (surprised it's not in the list yet)
No vignetting (FF lens), aperture works, AF works, does not have IS built in

Canon TS-E 24mm f/3.5 L
No vignetting (FF lens - even with TS adjustments), aperture works, manual focus, does not have IS built in

Thanks. Will add them to the list

If you have lenses to add to the list, please use this template as it makes it easier to manage the list:
Here is the template:
Lens model:
Focal Length:
AF works: (yes/no)
Aperture control: (yes/no)
IS works: (yes/no/NA)
Vignettes: (yes/no) *on the 4.6K

Thanks

Lens model: Tokina 11-20mm f/2.8 AT-X Pro DX for Canon EF
Focal Length: 11-20mm
AF works: Yes
Aperture control: Yes
IS works: N/A
Vignettes: No


Lens model: Canon 50mm f/1.4 EF
Focal Length: 50mm
AF works: Yes
Aperture control: Yes
IS works: N/A
Vignettes: No

Lens model: Tokina 11-20mm f/2.8 AT-X Pro DX for Canon EF
Lens model: Canon 50mm f/1.4 EF

Thanks. Added.

Thank you for this useful thread.
Canon 17-55 F/2.8 is also perfectly working with Mini 4K.

By the way, wide open, the Sigma 18-35 f/1.8 is showing an aperture of f/1.7. I have read that it also happened with BMCC.

Thank you for putting this list together.

Here are more to add, tested on Ursa Mini 4.6K running firmware 3.2

Canon Lenses

Lens model: Canon EF 85mm f/1.2L II USM
Focal Length: 85mm
AF works: Yes
Aperture control: Yes
IS works: n/a
Vignettes: no - Full Frame lens


Lens model: Canon EF 50mm f/1.2L USM
Focal Length: 50mm
AF works: Yes
Aperture control: Yes
IS works: n/a
Vignettes: no - Full Frame lens


Lens model: Canon EF 24mm f/1.4L II USM
Focal Length: 24mm
AF works: Yes
Aperture control: Yes
IS works: n/a
Vignettes: no - Full Frame lens

And, although it's listed as working, on my Canon EF 70-200mm f/2.8L IS II USM the IS is not working with the Ursa Mini.

Tokina Lenses

Lens model: Tokina AT-X 116 PRO DX-II 11-16mm f/2.8
Focal Length: 11-16mm
AF works: Yes
Aperture control: Yes
IS works: n/a
Vignettes: just barely at 11mm, rest of the zoom range is fine

EDIT: Tested one more Canon Lens today
Lens model: Canon 17-55 F/2.8
Focal Length: 17-55mm
AF works: Yes
Aperture control: Yes
IS works: Nope. Not at all.
Vignettes: a bit from 17mm-20mm

On our URSA 4K with firmware v2.6
Lens model: Canon CNE 30-105
Focal Length: 30-105mm
AF works: (yes/no) No AF, but the f stop is reported correctly
Aperture control: (yes/no) n/a
IS works: (yes/no/NA) n/a
Vignettes: (yes/no) *on the 4.6K Doesn't on the 4K

If anyone with a URSA Mini 4.6K, based in Los Angeles, wants to do a through test with the Canon CN-E Cine Primes (24, 35, 50 & 85) to check how it performs with them I am more than happy to meet up. PM to discuss further.

Has anyone any update regarding the Canon 70-200 f/2.8 II IS on URSA Mini 4K EF ?
Aperture control works for me one out of ten time, with the firmware 3. I made sure connectors are OK when attaching the lens, and the weight of the lens supported on a plate.

Thanks

Has anyone any update regarding the Canon 70-200 f/2.8 II IS on URSA Mini 4K EF ?
Aperture control works for me one out of ten time, with the firmware 3. I made sure connectors are OK when attaching the lens, and the weight of the lens supported on a plate.

Thanks

Still no aperture and IS for me with Camera 3.2
Works with the 1.4 III Extender though.

Bad supported FW, and not for that lens only....
Basic Canon L still primes does not work in my Mini 4K EF
EF 14mm 2,8 II
EF 24 1,4 II

Sucks....

[Tim Schumann]

Has anyone any update regarding the Canon 70-200 f/2.8 II IS on URSA Mini 4K EF ?
Aperture control works for me one out of ten time, with the firmware 3. I made sure connectors are OK when attaching the lens, and the weight of the lens supported on a plate.

Thanks

Still no aperture and IS for me with Camera 3.2
Works with the 1.4 III Extender though.

Bad supported FW, and not for that lens only....
Basic Canon L still primes does not work in my Mini 4K EF
EF 14mm 2,8 II
EF 24 1,4 II

Sucks....

Please contact your nearest BMD support centre about this.

Has anyone any update regarding the Canon 70-200 f/2.8 II IS on URSA Mini 4K EF ?
Aperture control works for me one out of ten time, with the firmware 3. I made sure connectors are OK when attaching the lens, and the weight of the lens supported on a plate.

Thanks

Still no aperture and IS for me with Camera 3.2
Works with the 1.4 III Extender though.

Bad supported FW, and not for that lens only....
Basic Canon L still primes does not work in my Mini 4K EF
EF 14mm 2,8 II
EF 24 1,4 II

Sucks....

Please contact your nearest BMD support centre about this.

Did so via my supplier mid april and the answer didnt make my lenses work at all.....

"Thank you for contacting Blackmagic Support.

It does seem a bit strange that some of your lenses aren't working with the Mini Ursa 4K but are with both the big URSA and the Production Camera 4K.
Could you please ask your customer to try the latest firmware which it 3.2.
If this doesn't resolve the behaviour could you then ask them to try Blackmagic Camera 3.0.

I will forward this to our Camera developer team to see if they can provide anymore information on this."

[Tim Schumann]

PM sent. Our support guys will be in contact.

I'm having a few issues with Tamron zooms. All tests were done on firmware 3.2 on the Ursa Mini 4.6k


Lens model: Tamron SP AFA012C700 15-30mm f/2.8 Di VC USD (EF Mount)
Focal Length: 15mm-30mm
AF works: No
Aperture control: No (No readout of aperture or control)
IS works: No
Vignettes: No

Lens model: Tamron SP 24-70mm Di VC USD Canon Mount AFA007C-700 (Model A007E)
Focal Length: 24mm-70mm
AF works: Yes
Aperture control: Yes
IS works: No
Vignettes: No

Lens model: Tamron SP 70-200MM F/2.8 DI VC USD Canon EF (Model A009E)
Focal Length: 70mm-200mm
AF works: No
Aperture control: No (No readout of aperture or control)
IS works: No
Vignettes: No

Sad these don't work. I had IS and aperture control on my FS700 with a Fotodiox EF-E adapter. I hope support gets added soon.

PM sent. Our support guys will be in contact.

The second time you jump in to make me contact your support for the problem Tim....

I hope your support guys will be in contact soon.
At least an email to confirm the problem if not a solution.

The Mini 4k EF has been around for a while now
and the fact that standard Canon L lenses is
useless is really bad.

Jerry

My sigma 18-35 f1.8 DC art doesn't have any iris control on my Ursa 4K EF (big one)

Firmware is latest 2.6 (the camera utility won't let me update any further and says its up to date)

EDIT ***** seems like it's my camera that may be the problem it appears to have stopped communicating with any lenses****

[Tim Schumann]

PM sent. Our support guys will be in contact.

The second time you jump in to make me contact your support for the problem Tim....

I hope your support guys will be in contact soon.
At least an email to confirm the problem if not a solution.

Jerry my second point of contact was to try to speed up you getting support on this issue. I am trying to help you get this problem resolved. From what I understand our support guys have tried to contact you. Please let me know if this is not the case.

We have a fix for anyone who lost communication on some EF lenses on URSA Mini 4K between software 2.8.1 and 3.1/3.2. Your camera will need to come in for this, and I expect Mickael Lafont's will as well.

My sigma 18-35 f1.8 DC art doesn't have any iris control on my Ursa 4K EF (big one)

Hi Gavin, yes 2.6 is the latest version for URSA and that lens should indeed be working. It is a very common lens that we use regularly with URSA.

Didn't hear from your support guys Tim
but looking forward to do so and PM:ed
you my email, just in case.

And Gavin.....

My Sigma 18-35 works on BMPC4k, big Ursa and Mini Ef 4k

Jerry

Just got the Sigma 50-100 1.8 Art (EF Mount)
functions are working normally (focus, iris +/-)
seems to have a very minor vignette but i'll have to double check.

URSA Mini 4.6k

BM UK fixed my Ursa mini 4k EF and
all my canon lenses now working.

Fast service....

Jerry

Thanks Adam. Maybe it would be useful to list if the lenses avoid the magenta corner issues?

Will the upcoming Canon 18-80mm lens work with the USM4,6 EF with all its functions (Start/Stop, Zoom control,...) ?

regards

I have a Canon 85mm f/1.8 USM lens that worked on the original firmware, but on 3.3 it no longer seems to be recognized. Anyone else seeing this?

[Tim Schumann]

If you are able to downgrade your URSA Mini 4K to 2.8.1 and the problem goes away then this is a known issue that our support guys can fix. The camera will need to come in. I believe our guys have already reached out to you.

Yep - thanks for following up, Tim. I'm currently looking at my calendar and seeing when I can take the downtime with the camera for that fix.

I'm honestly hoping the 4.0 software comes out first and fixes the issue.

Lens model: Rokinon Cine EF mount
Focal Length: 85:1 mm
AF works: NA (Manual Lens)
Aperture control: NA (Manual Lens)
IS works: NA (Manual Lens)
Vignettes: no (Full Frame Lens)

Hi,
after update URSA Mini EF 4k to 3.3 the Canon lens L 16-35mm 2.8 II is no longer recognized. The Canon 24-70mm L 2.8 I and the 70-200mm L 2.8 I continue to work properly. Another of my lens, the Canon 100mm macro L 2.8 IS was never recognized whit 2.8 or 3.3.
I live in Rome Italy and I need to continue working with 16-35mm lens, the only alternative is to go back to the old firmware?
I look forward to your response
Thank you
Piero

Just curious, did anyone notice any significant breathing issues with any particular zoom lens?

Just curious, did anyone notice any significant breathing issues with any particular zoom lens?

Most photo lenses will breath. As they are not designed for video work it's not something the manufacturers focus on in the development. I guess the most disappointing one of late is the Sigma 50-100.

Anything related to the 4.0 update has been mentioned in this thread.