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Re: List of approved CFast Cards

PostMon Mar 28, 2016 6:10 pm

With Uncompressed Raw the camera is outputting 513mb/s.

Lexar 3600x = Max. Write Speed: 445 MB/s

Lexar 3400x - Write Speed: 450 MB/s

Transcend CFX650 128GB = 370 MB/s Write Speed
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PostTue Mar 29, 2016 6:26 pm

With further testing, I have confirmed that in dual card mode the Lexar 3600x does indeed correctly record 4.6k RAW at 60fps.
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List of approved CFast Cards

PostSat Apr 23, 2016 3:08 pm

While I wait for lenses to arrive, I ran some preliminary tests (with the lens cap on the URSA Mini 4.6K PL) on two of the approved Wise cards I have. The cards are, I believe, only rated up to 330 MB/s write and 510 MB/s read. I tested all combinations of RAW and ProRes for all sensor windows currently enabled with maximum sensor frame rates.

The tests aren't fair in that a recorded frame never was larger than 6.5 MB due to the lack of any real light so it was only recording sensor noise. Nonetheless the only combination that failed, while recording to a single card, was the raw open gate at 60 fps. I could do 57 fps. The important takeaway was those 57 fps raw black frames represented a sustained data rate of 370MB/s on a card rated for 330 MB/s!

Based on that data rate, it looks like these Wise cards will be good for single card recording of every frame size except the full sensor open gate. So if you plan on shooting DCI 4K 4096x2160 or as I do, the 2.4:1 4608x1920 window, the Wise will do the trick.

These are preliminary results but I'll update if shooting with a lens gives me different results.


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PostSat Apr 23, 2016 11:35 pm

Okay did some more testing, with the lens cap on, of the Wise cards. Blackmagic Speed Test shows sustained writes of over 380MB/s with sustained reads over 375MB/s. But what is interesting is the frame sizes I'm getting with raw are about 8.7MB each when I'm successfully recording at 54 fps. That's about 470MB/s write speed sustained for a few minutes. And this is on a single card, not dual recording. I continue to be able to record raw in DCI 4K and 2.4:1 4608x1920 at 60 fps single card.

I can't explain how these cards are doing that. I'm wondering if there is either new firmware on these cards or the cards are just super efficient writing video streams. In any event, take with a grain of salt until I retest with real images, not a black screen.


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PostSun Apr 24, 2016 1:58 am

Matt White wrote:With further testing, I have confirmed that in dual card mode the Lexar 3600x does indeed correctly record 4.6k RAW at 60fps.


I haven't had any problems with the 3600x cards either.
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PostSat Apr 30, 2016 10:15 pm

Which CFast readers do people recommend? I have two 128GB Lexar 3400x cards.

I'm looking at this one.

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Lexar-Professi ... 00L3JYBNO/
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PostSun May 01, 2016 7:25 am

Marc Jones wrote:Which CFast readers do people recommend? I have two 128GB Lexar 3400x cards.

I'm looking at this one.

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Lexar-Professi ... 00L3JYBNO/


I've got that model and it's been working well for me.
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Re: List of approved CFast Cards

PostTue May 31, 2016 10:44 am

Does the 256GB Transcend CFX600 work in a URSA mini 4K EF? (the CFX600 not the CFX650!)

I am aware, that it is not officially supported and would probably be too slow for RAW recording, but I would only need it for ProRes LT (in 4K roughly 50MB/sec). The question is: Does the camera accept it at all?

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PostFri Jul 08, 2016 9:36 am

There seems to be a new brand out on the market. Anyone have had experience with these ones?

http://www.biwin.co.uk/product/256gb-f6208-cfast2-0/

I guess it seems legitimate? It's stated to support an Ursa Mini 4.6k..

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Re: List of approved CFast Cards

PostFri Jul 08, 2016 7:35 pm

I have a nice Wise card on my table ... completely dead
used less than 50 times

I'm now running only 240 Gb cards from Angelbird.com in the Ursa mini 4.6K
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PostTue Jul 19, 2016 6:22 pm

Tony Rivera wrote:Here is the list of CFast cards that have cleared our approval for the URSA.


This link is broken nothing here!
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PostTue Jul 19, 2016 9:19 pm

I see the link properly directing to the CFast card page. You can also get there by going to the support page, clicking on the Professional Cameras icon, then going to the Blackmagic URSA CFast Card section in middle column labeled 'Latest Support Notes'.
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Re: List of approved CFast Cards

PostSun Aug 14, 2016 11:27 pm

So are there currently no cards that can record Prores 444HQ in 4k?
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PostMon Aug 15, 2016 12:27 am

Any of the cards on our supported list for RAW record will work well for 4K ProRes 444 or XQ.
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PostWed Aug 24, 2016 6:55 pm

My Wise 3400x 256GB cards had no problem with all codecs and resolutions when I was testing. Just raw 60 fps open gate required dual card recording,


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PostMon Sep 05, 2016 7:14 am

MatSliwinski wrote:There seems to be a new brand out on the market. Anyone have had experience with these ones?
http://www.biwin.co.uk/product/256gb-f6208-cfast2-0/
I guess it seems legitimate? It's stated to support an Ursa Mini 4.6k.


I've got word from their representative that the cards are currently undergoing testing by none other than 'Captain Hook'
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PostMon Sep 05, 2016 8:21 pm

Any news on the list of approved CFast Cards for the blackmagic 4.6k?

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I tested the discontinued 256GB Lexar Professional 3400x (510MB/s). It seems to drop frames when filming 60fps in lossless 4.6K RAW (2.4:1). Frame dropping started after exactly 30 seconds of smooth recording.

Is there any card out there, that can handle this setting?
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PostThu Sep 08, 2016 1:24 am

Yeah I'm curious about the same res in uncompressed raw...anyone?? ;)

Ah PS anyone using the Angelbird CFAST cards?
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PostThu Sep 08, 2016 2:10 am

Hussain Abdullah wrote:I tested the discontinued 256GB Lexar Professional 3400x (510MB/s). It seems to drop frames when filming 60fps in lossless 4.6K RAW (2.4:1). Frame dropping started after exactly 30 seconds of smooth recording.

Is there any card out there, that can handle this setting?

No. Uncompressed raw @ 60fps requires putting the camera in dual card mode.
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PostMon Sep 12, 2016 9:48 am

Dear all value users,

This is Czardas from Wise Advanced Co.,Ltd.
We are very glad to see many BMD users discussing about approved CFast cards here.
If you guys have any technical or further questions about Wise CFast cards, please feel free to email me directly. (czardas@wise-advanced.com.tw)
It is our pleasure to provide answers and services for you.

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PostTue Sep 13, 2016 5:13 am

RubenK wrote:
MatSliwinski wrote:There seems to be a new brand out on the market. Anyone have had experience with these ones?
http://www.biwin.co.uk/product/256gb-f6208-cfast2-0/
I guess it seems legitimate? It's stated to support an Ursa Mini 4.6k.


I've got word from their representative that the cards are currently undergoing testing by none other than 'Captain Hook'


A few of us on BMCUSER have been testing and using the Biwin cards. I got 4 of the 256gb cards for $380. I have been using it on my URSA and so far it works for me. You can read eyu (me) and 4saken's reports starting here.

http://www.bmcuser.com/showthread.php?1 ... heap+cfast

4saken testing were on the 4.6K while mine was on the URSA 4K major.
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PostTue Sep 13, 2016 9:36 pm

Ivon Visalli wrote:
Hussain Abdullah wrote:I tested the discontinued 256GB Lexar Professional 3400x (510MB/s). It seems to drop frames when filming 60fps in lossless 4.6K RAW (2.4:1). Frame dropping started after exactly 30 seconds of smooth recording.

Is there any card out there, that can handle this setting?

No. Uncompressed raw @ 60fps requires putting the camera in dual card mode.

Thanks, Ivon. You are absolutely right. I asked someone at the BMD booth at IBC and he told me the same.
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PostFri Sep 30, 2016 5:17 pm

What about approved cards for 3:1 120fps 4k on the big ursa v2???
I just received mine today, and am testing with the lexar 3600 and its dropping frames all over the place...
in prores 422 120 too...

My tests are not going well, I couldn't wait for the 4.6 mini (*which i have on order) but if today is still dropping frames, this camera is going right back to BandH,... Black magic I loved you guys but you game is seriously slipping, every day i'm getting closer to a RED... :{ which is unfortunate as i think they are way overpriced, and I despise the fanboydom that surrounds their cameras, but comm'on guys can't you do anything your specs say they will do?

Very disappointed.
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PostMon Oct 10, 2016 12:30 pm

Any thoughts about Komputerbay Professional 3600x 256GB CFast?
Komputerbay were perfect for a long time for shooting RAW with 5D3 ML RAW. Now they offer this new model which is not approved yet, but still can be usable with such specs.
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PostFri Oct 21, 2016 10:45 am

Hello everyone,

This is Czardas from Wise Advanced Co.,Ltd again.
We are exciting to share the news that Wise CFast cards-512GB have been approved.
Please don't hesitate to email me directly so that we can reach you in just few days.
(czardas@wise-advanced.com.tw)

Wish you guys have a nice weekend.

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PostThu Oct 27, 2016 2:20 am

Ellory Yu wrote:
RubenK wrote:
MatSliwinski wrote:There seems to be a new brand out on the market. Anyone have had experience with these ones?
http://www.biwin.co.uk/product/256gb-f6208-cfast2-0/
I guess it seems legitimate? It's stated to support an Ursa Mini 4.6k.


I've got word from their representative that the cards are currently undergoing testing by none other than 'Captain Hook'


A few of us on BMCUSER have been testing and using the Biwin cards. I got 4 of the 256gb cards for $380. I have been using it on my URSA and so far it works for me. You can read eyu (me) and 4saken's reports starting here.

http://www.bmcuser.com/showthread.php?1 ... heap+cfast

4saken testing were on the 4.6K while mine was on the URSA 4K major.


After a few months of using the Biwin 256gb CFast cards, I have experience drop frames in 4K RAW as slow as 24fps. This usually became more pronounced when the cards got hotter. All 4 of my cards exhibited same symptoms. Lee Miller With Biwin sales was very helpful and have arranged to get mine replaced. I recently sent it back to Hong Kong and we shall see what happens with the replacements and the general consensus of the Biwin cards. I shall report back in due time. :) Meanwhile I got a couple Transcend 256GB CFX650 cards for my recent project and they work like a charm.
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PostThu Oct 27, 2016 9:59 am

I've got my eyes glued to the tracking details. I'll keep you updated along the way ;)
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Lee Miller wrote:I've got my eyes glued to the tracking details. I'll keep you updated along the way ;)

What a great guy!!! Thanks Lee. I wished every vendor have a Lee in their team.
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PostFri Oct 28, 2016 4:15 am

Haha wow, thanks Ellory! It's nice to get feedback like this. I'll make sure that everything goes as smoothly as possible, even though sometimes things will get delayed a little due to things outside of my control, but they will get done, mark my words :)
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PostFri Nov 04, 2016 7:08 pm

Has anyone experienced frame drops using the Transcend CFX650 256GB shooting on the URSA MINI 4K in Lossless RAW at 23.98 fps? It's happened a few times. I switched card readers thinking it happened in the transfer. Not sure if I ought to switch 4:1 or 3:1 RAW. We have been shooting a movie on the Production 4k in RAW with no issues. I switched cameras after the bulk of the movie and having these issues on our pick ups. I shoot ProRes mostly for other work. Please advise. Thanks. Rich
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PostFri Nov 04, 2016 8:35 pm

Those Transcend cards should be good with those speeds for recording 4K Lossless RAW at 23.98 to a single card. If you are running our general release 4.0 software there is an option on page three of the record menu where you can choose to stop recording if you have dropped any frames. It will mean it is impossible to not notice if you are dropping frames.

In 4.0 we also added a notification, even if you don't have this feature switched on where the dropped frame warning exclamation mark remains present when you have dropped frames on a previous clip. If you keep an eye on this it will warn you that the last clip had dropped frame until you power cycle the camera, or hit record again.
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PostSat Nov 05, 2016 5:59 pm

Thanks Tim. I have noticed the exclamation marks on the beta 4.0. I did not see it when it happened on a shoot this past week. Is it the card that is dropping frames or the camera? Will shooting 3:1 or 4:1 be better to insure that we don't drop frames? I rarely shoot raw only for 1 production. I just need to make my clien feel secure moving forward.
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PostMon Nov 21, 2016 7:54 am

Happy season of Thanksgiving to everybody. I do have a little seasonal promotion for you, of course. $35 off packs of cards with the checkout code "thanks", on www.biwin.co.uk. The coupon CAN be used on items already on general sale.
There are cfast card cases also on offer.

Thanks very much for reading. I'm always available for support.
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PostMon Nov 21, 2016 4:34 pm

Lee Miller wrote:Happy season of Thanksgiving to everybody. I do have a little seasonal promotion for you, of course. $35 off packs of cards with the checkout code "thanks", on http://www.biwin.co.uk. The coupon CAN be used on items already on general sale.
There are cfast card cases also on offer.

Thanks very much for reading. I'm always available for support.


Hi Lee. I don't see Biwin on the list of supported BMD cards yet. Since you are advertising here on the forum, I'm guessing you have tested them with the Ursa Mini. Do they work at the same resolutions and frame rates as other supported cards like the Lexar 3500x, or no?
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PostTue Nov 22, 2016 12:34 am

Hi Jamie, eventually the BiWin cards will be certified, we're just working on one thing which is slowing down the process. These cards are suitable for certain resolutions listed on the BiWin.co.uk website but do not offer as many as Lexar just yet. They are kind of a medium between price and performance. But like I say, all resolutions are possible when dual-carding; combining two cards together in the same camera. Many of our customers own a Mini and they work just fine. Please check out my eBay ratings and comments. http://www.ebay.com/usr/drkooler.
Anymore questions, please feel free to ask :)
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PostThu Nov 24, 2016 11:42 am

I have created my own topic at viewtopic.php?f=2&t=54244&p=312022#p312022

I will no longer post among the regular topics with any offers. Only if I have a genuine question about cameras, I will still post in the general topics. I do have an interest in cameras, and am an IT engineer by trade, and a semi-pro computer-musician who has previously composed for film.

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PostWed Dec 21, 2016 5:08 am

We have just added the SanDisk Extreme Pro 128GB and 256GB 'D' series CFast 2.0 cards to our supported list. Previous firmware SanDisk CFast cards are still not supported as there were some firmware issues with them... but as of today the SanDisk 'D' series 128GB and 256GB CFast cards are certified for ProRes and RAW recording and are listed in our manual.

Just so you know how to identify these cards - they are the ones with the product codes ending in D.
So for these two cards the codes are SDCFSP-128G-x46D and SDCFSP-256G-x46D.

'x' will vary from region to region in the product code (A for the USA, J for Japan, Z for China, D for Australia/New Zealand, and 'G' for the rest of the world) but what you want to look out for is the 'D' at the end which shows they are the new series of cards.

They also have a D on the back of the card in the bottom left corner.
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PostTue Jan 10, 2017 8:12 pm

Tommaso Alvisi wrote:Yeah I'm curious about the same res in uncompressed raw...anyone?? ;)

Ah PS anyone using the Angelbird CFAST cards?


I already tested the Angelbird Cards and I absolutely love them. Used (and still using) the blue Wise Cards too. But since the Angelbirds are out I'll only buy these now because they are significantly cheaper then the Wise Cards here in Austria and I also want to support a local brand (they are a company from my town). But just for the record: I don't know any of the people working there and I'm not an affiliate from the company or anything. For me they are just the best bang for the buck (right now at least).

Here's also a very short proof that everything works fine:


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PostWed Jan 18, 2017 3:27 am

The Wise CFast 2.0 cards that are on the BMD certified list are their Blue label cards. Wise also makes Green label cards that are less expensive. The cards have been tested and the Green label 256GB 3400x card has been tested by Wise and passed. Wise also makes a Blue label 512GB card but that runs slower and not likely interesting to URSA/Mini owners. Wise Green label 3300x 256 GB cards can work at lower frame rates, but the Green label 128GB cards are not suitable and I don't expect BMD will include those in their list of certified cards. Vendors will offer a significant cost saving for the Green cards.


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PostSat Apr 22, 2017 10:57 am

Hi guys, long time no see. I'm still around if anybody needs any assistance.

Thanks :)
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Re: List of approved CFast Cards

PostTue May 16, 2017 9:14 pm

I have an Ursa v2 and Lexar 3400 128gb cards. It frame drops way before the BM max frames rates are reached. Does anyone know if using the Lexar 3500 or 3600 256gb cards I can reach the following frame rates,

Single Card - 3840 x 2160 Pro Res HQ @ 80fps
3840 x 2160 Pro Res 422 @ 120fps

Dual Card - 4K RAW 3:1 @ 120fps

Many thanks for any help given!
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PostWed May 17, 2017 12:20 pm

I am using a recommended card. So my problem is elsewhere? (I've tried 2 different cards, too) When was the last firmware update? Could that fix the problem? Thx
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PostTue Jul 11, 2017 7:19 am

Anyone tested the Transcend 600 series on the Ursa mini with success?
I know its not on the list, but still...
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PostMon Jul 24, 2017 3:07 pm

My URSA MINI 4K EF test results with the 256GB EgoDisk, a steal at $280. Tried with the card formatted in camera as Mac OS Extended as well as ExAT.

4000x2160p60 Lossless RAW - Dropped frames after 2 seconds
4000x2160p60 3:1 RAW - No dropped frames (full card at 15:45)
4000x2160p60 4:1 RAW - No dropped frames (full card at 20:38)

Write: 260MB/s
Read: 426MB/s
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Re: List of approved CFast Cards

PostThu Aug 24, 2017 1:07 pm

I suggest these cards So the wait for an alternative to the Sandisk cards continues.
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Re: List of approved CFast Cards

PostSat Aug 26, 2017 10:40 pm

Can someone tell me why the Komputerbay 256GB 3700X isn't approved but the 64GB 3700X is?
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Re: List of approved CFast Cards

PostSun Aug 27, 2017 11:20 pm

KomputerBay did not have stock of the 256GB 3700x cards for us to certify.
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Re: List of approved CFast Cards

PostTue Sep 05, 2017 9:43 pm

Tim Schumann wrote:KomputerBay did not have stock of the 256GB 3700x cards for us to certify.


ah clear. But they will probably work well right?
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Re: List of approved CFast Cards

PostTue Sep 05, 2017 10:24 pm

Just because one card from a manufacturer is on the list, doesn't mean that different similar models and different capacities from the same manufacturer will pass. Even if it lists that it is higher speed.

Not all card media are created equal.

We only list cards that we have tested extensively and certified for recording footage continuously on our cameras.
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