John Brawley wrote:Mike Halper wrote:
The same thing did not happen to Red. Red did have initial issues, but they openly admitted the issues and fixed them. Even recent issues that Red has had they've admitted to them fairly quickly
So they only had initial issues??? or they had recent issues ? Which one is it ? I'm confused by your contradictory statement.
I'm being facetious because they of course DO have issues with every camera. Most camera makers making cameras when first shipped have issues. I can name you bunch of BBQ stopping issues with the Alexa mini. But we find out about them, we decide if we can accept them, work around them, listen to what the manufacturer has to say about it or just move on to what does work for us.
JB
Everyone knows Red had some serious initial issues. I said initial because they were new to the game like BMD relatively is, and they had more issues back then than they do now. The difference between them is that Red acknowledged the issues, discussed the issues openly with customers and users, and actively fixed the issues. They also told customers and users of their cameras back then that they were considering the cameras beta. Does Red still have some occasional issues with their cameras, especially when there's a new release? Sure, and that's what I was referring later in my statement, but again the way Red handles those issues is almost a complete 180 from the way BMD handles it.
Yes, every camera makers has issues, including Red, Arri, Sony, etc. However, the Ursa Mini has been out for about 9 months now, right? Assymetric magenta still not resolved 100% and BMD refuses to make further statements about it. Cross-hatching issue still exists and BMD refuses to make further statements about it. Red hasn't let issues go that long without fixing them or communicating clearly with customers and users what's going on with the issue.
The main problem, however, isn't that Red handles issues better/differently than BMD. They are different companies with different mentalities, and that's fine. Of course I wish BMD would be more like Red in this regard, but I'd rather they just fix the cameras. The real issue here is that there are image quality issues with the cameras and BMD waddles around admitting the issues and fixing them, and then the owners of these $5000-$5500 cameras (excluding what hey paid for media, BMD EVFs, BMD shoulder mounts, etc) are being complacent and saying things like "Yea I have the same results.....patterning is still there but looks much much better (as in much harder to see) with this new shading calibration. I still can't really push the camera to it's limits without revealing the crosshatching, but I don't really plan on pushing it to it's limits very often, and when I DO need to, I can always fix the crosshatch by adding a .5 to the x and y positions in premiere. So I think I'm pretty satisfied at this point." I just don't understand the complacency that exists in this community of BMD camera owners. You spent a lot of money on these cameras, so why be complacent with cameras that clearly have image quality issues. And that .5 xy trick won't work with ProRes, which A LOT of people are going to shoot with. This complacency is what's allowing BMD to think they can just do whatever they want and not release reliable cameras or develop 100% fixes for the issues.
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