John Paines wrote:Australian Image wrote:No one is saying that those features are useless, only that they involve compromise and cost that may well exceed the value of having them
Of what product is that not true, at some point, including the BMPCC 4K? If you're BMD's only customer, and they only need to sell one camera, then everything is great, forever. Otherwise, dismissing requests for new features because they "may well" exceed one measure or another, today or tomorrow, will never lead to camera development.
Folks are stating their wishes, based on what the competition offers, not some fantasy. I'm not clear on what's gained by trying to convince would-be customers, without any special inside company knowledge, that what they want can't be fulfilled, when it's available from everyone else.
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dacloo wrote:Just dreaming here...
I would love to pay $2299 for a BMPCCPro4K that takes the current Pocket4K and adds:
- Tiltable Screen
- Electronic ND filter (variable - exposure adapts to maintain set shutter and/or exposure)
- Weather Proof body
- Reliable Auto Focus (similar to Canon)
- Larger battery
- $299 EVF option that clicks on top of the camera
Basically the same lean body but a clear step up from the current Pocket 4K.
Thoughts?
Except the weather proof body, licensing and evf, that's maybe $10 extra cost+ bigger battery. The weather proof body is another thing because of fpga, and maybe not the sensor as its a Sony which has old Aptina technology available, which is probably similar to Red's. Replacing it with a asic processing solution (arm/gpu mobile chip even) could potentially make the case sealable and cost less than now. Now evf, if you don't get too ambitious, maybe another $10 or so. So, $1295 even, and with the largly software features I pointed out and a few more buttons/dials etc maybe still same for most of the dirt cheap stuff. Redesigning the case to be sealable is an interesting exercise. Given the current design, the outside of the camera could be a heat sink, with the tips of the blade insulated for holding comfort, and the chips mounted on the opposite side (an older technology), with water proof fans on top of the fins able to draw water through when submerged. You simply keep things clean (as I estimated decades ago there are ways to make higher performance heatsinks using meta features, but keeping them clean, I don't know). An internal liquid coolant can be used to distribute the heat, and if the sensor needs it, a heat pipe to to case. There are oils and that stuff you breath I think in one of them (around 40 years or so ago, maybe the 70's). I imagine you might be able to halve the volume with bigger, but the liquid might push the price up a bit. So, I bet most of you, and most engineers didn't know that. Another thing for a sealable unit, is you virtually don't need mountable lenses. Samsung has had a larger format liquid lens patent out x years. But using a hybrid technology instead, you can still shrink a high quality multi focal lens system, maybe more with a curved sensor, down in size and fit in camera a lot. Nobody ever should expect the pocket 4k to be aimed at only the DSLR market, it's just the format it uses, and it can do more.
But it's all new design work that has to be paid down, so the next pocket/micro would be better. But a non liquid case like this, with the features you want, light he doable as an third party aftermarket upgrade, like they do with cinema mod kits for action cameras.
Now, thus HDMI stuff. Not having the latest 4k version of HDMI in there, is not the best. Thunderbolt could have been a better option. Thunderbolt was designed to carry HDMI, display port, USB etc protocols over it, with HDMI etc cable on the other end. There is longer haul optical thunderbolt cables suitable for studio work. It king st needs a company to push sales of this cheap infrastructure product. Which BM able to do, and SDI over Thunderbolt. So real loss, you just get a Thunderbolt to HDMI/SDI cable to hook into existing infrastructure and otherwise just use thunderbolt/up to 300 (Meters was it) optical thunderbolt to hook directly into TB equipment, recorders, switchers etc. You can latch down the tb in or on camera, and they require less case space, with thinner cable to run and less cables, with the option to switch through multiple data paths through a single cable, offering significant savings for new studio infrastructure projects But for small people and studios, it offers a viable alternative, to start with to prove it's reliability.