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Re: BMPCC4K start shipping

PostSun Jan 27, 2019 3:56 pm

BMPCC4K is a new camera on the market. He tried it himself and is dissatisfied with the result. It uses EVA and GH5.

I couldn't wait and just called him. It was the battery!

Does the BMPCC4K have problems with red light/clipping?
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Re: BMPCC4K start shipping

PostSun Jan 27, 2019 4:02 pm

Blackmagic design stays silent, meanwhile in the world is so many questions..
I have paid but still not have camera, license of davinci so can't work, because BMPCC is jump from 5dm3
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Re: BMPCC4K start shipping

PostSun Jan 27, 2019 4:23 pm

If you want the ability to return you buy from a dealer with a good return or exchange policy like B&H. Ebay does have buyer protection but this isn't a defective camera. It was simply a bad (uninformed) purchase decision on his part. Of course maybe he just wanted to take a gamble but one should enter into that knowing full well the risks. At the very least as the seller IN ADVANCE about returns for lack of suitability (rather than defects).

BTW this is why I no longer pre order (not specific to Blackmagic product either). I won't buy something unless I can do an immediate return or exchange.

For whatever reason Blackmagic isn't yet able to meet the demand to the extent one can walk in and make a purchase at one's local professional video retailer. As NAB nears this makes many even more reluctant because there's going to be new announcements and while many such announcements are in advance of release, other companies are much better at giving a real target (walk in the store) availability targets. Sadly BMD has a long history of slow supply development. It's either part of their business model or an ongoing problem. I would never schedule around Blackmagic hardware products especially there seems to be some issues that require an immediate return, repair, exchange. In fact that may well be part of the reason for the current delays as they might be troubleshooting the manufacturing QC process itself. Returns cost money and on a low overhead product, the impact on profits might be significant.
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Re: BMPCC4K start shipping

PostSun Jan 27, 2019 6:40 pm

lee4ever wrote:Does the BMPCC4K have problems with red light/clipping?


BMPCC4K is very nitpicky about batts, you have to use genuine LP-E6s to get decent runtimes and (relatively) accurate percentage.

BMMCC is much more reliable and accurate in calculating percentage with genuine LP-E6 tho...
I'd say it's even better than Canon own cams...it's incredibly accurate.
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PostMon Jan 28, 2019 12:39 am

Chris Whitten wrote:Not being good for weddings is a judgement call. It's not a defect with the camera.
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A camera suddenly shutting off is not good for anything. Judgement call has nothing to do with this. Do you work for BM's marketing department or something? I find the tendency to belittle people's legitimate problems with BM cameras by some people on these forums to be ridiculous. Nothing will ever improve unless users ask for accountability from BM/better QC/etc. Excuses never solve problems.
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Re: BMPCC4K start shipping

PostMon Jan 28, 2019 12:46 am

Carlos Garcia-Diaz wrote:A camera suddenly shutting off is not good for anything.


If the camera is shutting off suddenly, then given all the evidence so far, the culprit is the battery. And when this happens, it's usually someone using cheap knockoff batteries to save a few dollars. There are numerous ways to ensure that the battery capacity is sufficient, even when using the lightest possible combination. If you're a professional, there should be no excuse for failure due to a battery dying.
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PostMon Jan 28, 2019 5:00 am

Carlos Garcia-Diaz wrote:
Chris Whitten wrote:Not being good for weddings is a judgement call. It's not a defect with the camera.
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A camera suddenly shutting off is not good for anything. Judgement call has nothing to do with this. Do you work for BM's marketing department or something? I find the tendency to belittle people's legitimate problems with BM cameras by some people on these forums to be ridiculous. Nothing will ever improve unless users ask for accountability from BM/better QC/etc. Excuses never solve problems.


That's it. I write: It's an original battery, it was fully charged.... But somehow it seems that some people didn't understand it. They immediately have the problem: it's a user error. :(
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PostMon Jan 28, 2019 5:16 am

lee4ever wrote:That's it. I write: It's an original battery, it was fully charged.... But somehow it seems that some people didn't understand it. They immediately have the problem: it's a user error. :(


If you use the battery that came with the BMPCC4K ie non-Canon, it will not work properly, if at all. It's well documented and that applies to all cheap third party batteries.

It is user error.

Is your sole purpose on this forum to bag Blackmagic?
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PostMon Jan 28, 2019 5:21 am

And again, if i say what it is, it's the original battery, why is it hard for you to have it true?
And when I report that and criticize BMD on a few points, I do. Where is the problem? It would be positive if you and your friend Chris here don't blame others if BMD camera doesn't work. Now I'm asking too: Do you work for BM's marketing department or something?
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PostMon Jan 28, 2019 5:32 am

lee4ever wrote:And again, if i say what it is, it's the original battery, why is it hard for you to have it true?
And when I report that and criticize BMD on a few points, I do. Where is the problem? It would be positive if you and your friend Chris here don't blame others if BMD camera doesn't work. Now I'm asking too: Do you work for BM's marketing department or something?


What didn't you understand about my statement about using the 'original' (non-Canon) battery?

If you use a crap battery then expect crap performance. The fact that the supplied battery is crap is well known and well reported. Some have reported that the camera doesn't even come with a battery anymore.

I work for myself, understanding through years of experience that no product is perfect and that you must learn to adjust for imperfections.

I haven't seen one post of yours that doesn't in some way directly or indirectly bag Blackmagic. I'm beginning to wonder whether you own any Blackmagic products and are nothing but a troll or shill for another company.
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PostMon Jan 28, 2019 5:45 am

Australian Image wrote:The fact that the supplied battery is crap is well known and well reported. Some have reported that the camera doesn't even come with a battery anymore.

Well, then we agree.

There are problems with batteries, this is not a BMD specific problem...other manufacturers may have the problem too. I had a similar problem with a new laptop the other day.

There is such a thing. There are production errors.

I haven't seen one post of yours that doesn't in some way directly or indirectly bag Blackmagic.


I'm not here to tell Blackmagic about Santa Clauses, but to address some points, such as why they abandoned the old BMPCC and why not 60fps if technically possible. Now and then I write here and there... You don't have to worry about me. That's not what this is about. You steer in another direction and become personal. This can lead to this thread being blocked.
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PostMon Jan 28, 2019 5:48 am

Pointless threads should be locked.
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PostMon Jan 28, 2019 9:05 am

In all cases with stuck "Canon" batteries it turned out they were faked Canon batteries, not genuine. All problems started with cheap third party batteries not being up to the task because the camera is consuming so much more power than a standard DSLR. When those batteries get discharged at the high rate the camera demands - those cheap cells get really stressed and fail - dissipating a lot of extra heat or even bulge.

Where BMD has clearly failed was to take better care of what kind of batteries people are gonna use and instruct people accordingly. While they released a list of recommended recording media, they also should have released a list of recommended (or even certified) batteries, taking out the guesswork.

I can see why users think it is a problem of the camera when in truth it is a problem of the battery. Most users don't know much about how batteries work, about charge and discharge rates and so on. Or about basic electronics knowledge like P = I * U. It is the duty of the camera manufacturer to make sure end users can't harm their camera and to instruct them accordingly. If end users then choose to ignore the instructions then they are on their own.
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Re: BMPCC4K start shipping

PostMon Jan 28, 2019 9:20 am

I fully agree with you.

Is it really true that BMD doesn't check the cameras before delivery?

My colleague threw away the original battery, otherwise I would have taken a picture of it. He said it was very difficult to remove the orig. battery from the battery compartment.
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PostMon Jan 28, 2019 9:26 am

Robert Niessner wrote:Where BMD has clearly failed was to take better care of what kind of batteries people are gonna use and instruct people accordingly. While they released a list of recommended recording media, they also should have released a list of recommended (or even certified) batteries, taking out the guesswork.


I think Blackmagic tried to do the right thing and provide a cheap battery option with the camera so that a new owner could get it running and test it out before getting all the necessary accessories. That kind of backfired because the cheap batteries were crap.

They should simply have recommended genuine Canon batteries and nothing else. There was no way they could have tested third party batteries to confirm the quality, as these batteries come from whoever provides the cheapest prices. And there was no way that Blackmagic could have ordered genuine Canon batteries for each camera being produced.

When I ordered my BMPCC4K in Apr 2018, I ordered two genuine Canon batteries as soon as I saw them on sale at a lower than regular price. I had the batteries long before I received the camera. Anyone who has been into photography or video for any length of time should have known not to trust third party batteries, especially with a camera that has such a heavy power draw.

And as reviews kept coming out, with the power draw being one of the major talking points, I also went looking for additional power options and had my V-lock setup ready for when the camera arrived. All of this had been planned well in advance, right down to how I wanted to use the camera and built my rig around that premise.

From some of the commentary, it sounds like some users have never owned a video camera or researched it to understand the power draw it can impose. I just watched a video about the Sony A7 and it manages only about 40 min on a regular battery, so I don't see what people are complaining about when it comes to the BMPCC4K.
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PostMon Jan 28, 2019 10:02 am

Ugh, the endless negativity about BMD continues....

I received my BMPCC4K about four weeks ago. It came with a BMD battery. I have used the battery a couple of times and yes it lost power quite quickly. I had no problem getting it out of the camera.
I also have a legitimate Canon battery I bought recently. Very expensive - £70.
I have not noticed any great difference between the performance of the BMD battery and the Canon, although there may well be. I just haven't specifically tested it.
I have seen NO evidence the BMD battery is 'cheap'. I have seen NO evidence BMD have stopped shipping their battery with the camera (I got mine just before Christmas). I have had NO problem installing or removing the BMD battery.
On purchasing the BMPCC4K from a large, major dealer, I also bought their recommended battery recharging kit with additional battery (Hahnel). On using this battery for the first time it DID stick in my BMPCC4K battery compartment. I will no longer feel comfortable using this battery, although I will continue to use the Hahnel recharger.
I must stress - this Hahnel battery was not bought cheap off Ebay or Amazon. It was supplied (recommended) by a main BMD dealer. At the time I was trying to get it out, their tech guy was able to insert a Hahnel battery in his BMPCC4K and remove it without a problem. Anyway, I got it out and won't use it again.
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PostMon Jan 28, 2019 10:15 am

Chris, I am not negative against BMD. I just call them out on the battery front not thinking it through.
I'm also offering the reason why most cheap (must not mean bad, just not up to the task) batteries won't work as you would think with the PCC4K.

I think the reasoning behind BMDs decision to use LP-E6 style batteries was to make the transition for Canon DSLR shooters easier and also because they already have products like the video assist using that style.

In my opinion it would have been better to go with a 14.4V style battery like the latest Canon BP-A30, which is a great power option with 48Wh and a very small size (4.2 x 4.5 x 7 cm), although not cheap.
For comparison the Sony BP-U30 with the same dimensions offers only 28Wh. Both are weighted around 220g.
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PostMon Jan 28, 2019 10:38 am

Yes, I wasn't replying to you specifically. More to the odd person who jumps on anything possibly negative about the camera and amplifies it.
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I just wanted to add, so far my BMD battery has been OK. The Hahnel (for anyone thinking about it) possibly not OK.
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PostMon Jan 28, 2019 11:33 am

Your battery was fine. Ok, nice. But that my colleague's battery was not in order, shouldn't be allowed to say that? You and your colleague (Australian Image) really have a problem. The Baterrie problem with BMPCC4K is actually known (here I agree with your colleague). There are a lot of reports about it on the net. There's nothing we can do about that, and I don't want to argue here either. Look for other problems outside... instead of selling the customers for stupid! I ignore you from now on!
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PostMon Jan 28, 2019 11:39 am

Back on topic ? ^^ I come back to this thread for shipping infos, not faulty batteries.
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PostMon Jan 28, 2019 1:14 pm

Valentin Remy wrote:Back on topic ? ^^ I come back to this thread for shipping infos, not faulty batteries.


Amen :cry:

I just learned from my reseller that i got 7 peoples before me for shipping --' tried to estimate, so i asked how many they can ship by week or month.. Didn't got an answer for that, so i'm sure there are not shipping anything for the moment..
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PostMon Jan 28, 2019 2:41 pm

It seems my supplier is now stating end June 2019 for delivery, I must ring them, this must be some kind of joke, it was announced at NAB 2018 - April 6 - 11!

Considering when it was announced getting on for a year ago, seems to be another public relation disaster.

I cancelled my pre-order after 6 months....... I thought I would check back today and I am shocked at all of this.

However to be fair after giving up in 2018, I have just made a new order for end June 2019 (I hope) - this is no fun for the supplier in Zürich or me the customer. However, I am willing to give Blackmagic another chance to deliver. I doubt it will be on time, I am now 9th in the queue. Lets see.
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PostMon Jan 28, 2019 7:44 pm

lee4ever wrote:Your battery was fine. Ok, nice. But that my colleague's battery was not in order, shouldn't be allowed to say that?


You're always quoting second hand experiences (how accurately one wonders) and never actual experience. Every one of your comments is always negative towards Blackmagic, especially the BMPCC4K.

That's interesting, given that you don't own one and have indicated that you never want to own one. So yes, unless you can comment as an owner of the camera, your views don't hold much weight,

Ideally, you should just keep silent about matters that you know nothing about.
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PostTue Jan 29, 2019 7:13 am

@Australian
that was my third experience with the BMPCC4K.

back to topic und read here my experience: viewtopic.php?f=2&t=80576&p=473652#p473652
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PostTue Jan 29, 2019 7:27 am

lee4ever wrote:@Australian
that was my third hand experience with the BMPCC4K.


Fixed

back to topic und read here my experience: viewtopic.php?f=2&t=80576&p=473652#p473652


Which is what? Bagging Blackmagic products based on third hand experience?
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PostTue Jan 29, 2019 9:50 am

Yes I'm wondering about the shipping, Idk where this rumors about the shippent delays or manufacturing problems come from since I haven't found some information about it, I was just wondering where do people get this from?

I have called all the suppliers in my country and they don't know anything about anything it seems, so I have ordered from two different suppliers now.

Do we have some shipping information here?
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Re: BMPCC4K start shipping

PostTue Jan 29, 2019 10:58 am

Any update to how much backlog BMD has for the BMPCC 4K? Ordered one on Jan 7th from Adorama, still waiting.
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PostTue Jan 29, 2019 1:46 pm

So is the Camera still shipping? Where does this information about a shipping hault come from? I've reached out to many suppliers here in Sweden and no one knows an expected delivery date.

Can I somehow just buy it from BlackMagic directly and skip all the waiting lines? :)
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Australian Image wrote:
lee4ever wrote:@Australian
that was my third hand experience with the BMPCC4K.


Fixed


The original battery is not fixed, but in garbage can.

Bagging Blackmagic products based on third hand experience?


I reported my experience.

And so that we stay on topic. The dealer has removed the Pocket 4K from the sales list. The suppliers said it would take 12 weeks for the Pocket 4K to be available. After 4 weeks he got a message from suppliers that it would take 12 weeks again. :/
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PostTue Jan 29, 2019 6:04 pm

I ordered the camera on December 12th from B&H and still waiting. Have emailed/online chatted with both Blackmagic and B&H. After several emails with Blackmagic, they keep passing the buck saying that they have no delays in shipping. Finally, I decided to call B&H and they told me that while they get shipments every week, they are super small. So I must conclude Blackmagic HORRIBLY underestimated the demand. However, I would like just a little accepting of responsibility. The fact is that retailers are left just sitting on their hands until they get a meager shipment. It's like trying to feed a ravenous bear with bread crumbs! I sold my other camera thinking I would get this one in quickly to start some jobs. How stupid I was!
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PostTue Jan 29, 2019 6:33 pm

JordanMcgehee wrote:I ordered the camera on December 12th from B&H and still waiting. Have emailed/online chatted with both Blackmagic and B&H. After several emails with Blackmagic, they keep passing the buck saying that they have no delays in shipping. Finally, I decided to call B&H and they told me that while they get shipments every week, they are super small. So I must conclude Blackmagic HORRIBLY underestimated the demand. However, I would like just a little accepting of responsibility. The fact is that retailers are left just sitting on their hands until they get a meager shipment. It's like trying to feed a ravenous bear with bread crumbs! I sold my other camera thinking I would get this one in quickly to start some jobs. How stupid I was!



The same here, I decided to buy BM than other cameras, and still waiting.. without job. More than 3 months.
German official reseller talks me, no cameras in more than one month..
For Andorra is ZERO "0" cameras, so who lives in Andorra only can buy it outside the country! Terrible!

Here in forum to many people asking about shipments but BM is still silent!
FIrst and last product from BM!
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PostTue Jan 29, 2019 6:45 pm

JordanMcgehee wrote:I sold my other camera thinking I would get this one in quickly to start some jobs. How stupid I was!


That was not a smart move indeed.. Hopefully you learned your lesson !

Checking every week stores from Belgium, Germany, UK, France. Nowhere to be found... Wished I could bring it in Jordan in March for an upcoming project :/ I guess we'll bring our GH5 instead, or Panasonic's new S1R if available !
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PostTue Jan 29, 2019 7:18 pm

JordanMcgehee wrote:I ordered the camera on December 12th from B&H and still waiting. Have emailed/online chatted with both Blackmagic and B&H. After several emails with Blackmagic, they keep passing the buck saying that they have no delays in shipping. Finally, I decided to call B&H and they told me that while they get shipments every week, they are super small. So I must conclude Blackmagic HORRIBLY underestimated the demand. However, I would like just a little accepting of responsibility. The fact is that retailers are left just sitting on their hands until they get a meager shipment. It's like trying to feed a ravenous bear with bread crumbs! I sold my other camera thinking I would get this one in quickly to start some jobs. How stupid I was!


I ordered mine December 4th. Seemed like there was a large shipment at the start of the month, but are still at Nov. 20-ish orders (via the forums). I'm thinking about maybe purchasing something else, but haven't decided on what yet.
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PostTue Jan 29, 2019 9:12 pm

I really feel for anyone who sold their previous BMD camera in anticipation of receiving the BMPCC4K. I guess one option might be bidding for one on eBay. Costly but better than not working!

Sounds like the URSA Broadcast could be an effective option.


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PostTue Jan 29, 2019 9:48 pm

You can't really blame Blackmagic for under-estimating demand. Many of the reviews of the pre-production cameras in early 2018, weren't always that complementary and consistently complained that it didn't have a swivel LCD, didn't have IBIS, didn't have an EVF, was too big, plasticky and so on, which reviewers continued to harp on even after they received samples for testing.

I'll bet Blackmagic started to have doubts and never anticipated the actual consumer demand. What reviewers thought and what consumers thought were quite different things.
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PostWed Jan 30, 2019 9:01 am

In fairness there has been plenty of evidence about slow delivery since the end of September.
If people who pre-ordered in April are having to wait until late December to get their camera, it's un realistic to order one in early December and expect to have it now.
I shot my last project on my original BMPCC in late September and sold it a couple of weeks after I received my new BMPCC4K just before Christmas. I had pre-ordered the BMPCC4K within 24 hours of it's initial announcement (10th April).
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PostWed Jan 30, 2019 9:13 am

Chris Whitten wrote:In fairness there has been plenty of evidence about slow delivery since the end of September.
If people who pre-ordered in April are having to wait until late December to get their camera, it's un realistic to order one in early December and expect to have it now.
I shot my last project on my original BMPCC in late September and sold it a couple of weeks after I received my new BMPCC4K just before Christmas. I had pre-ordered the BMPCC4K within 24 hours of it's initial announcement (10th April).

I ordered mines in October of 2018 and received on December 5th of 2018
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PostWed Jan 30, 2019 9:15 am

I ordered mine in Apr and received in in early Oct (deliveries weren't supposed to start until late September). The store through which I bought mine was able to fill all their Apr pre-orders.

But when it comes to some stores, who knows when they placed their orders with their distributors, even if they received pre-orders in Apr. Also, how can one be certain that those who pre-ordered at the very beginning were placed in the front of the list. Some of the bigger stores could easily stuff up the priority.

Pre-orders are usually there to give an indication of how many should be put into production, but if many left their ordering until September or later (as they waited for the reviews to come out), then the production line may well have been set to a lower number than ideal.

I think many factors come into play and the market is certainly partly to blame.
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Re: BMPCC4K start shipping

PostWed Jan 30, 2019 12:33 pm

Yep, I'm just saying, from the various long running BMPCC4K threads around the web, you'd have to understand that ordering the camera in December and expecting delivery within three weeks would be a long shot. MOST people have waited several months, unless they were lucky enough to find a small store with cameras incoming and not much of a pre-order list.
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Re: BMPCC4K start shipping

PostWed Jan 30, 2019 1:32 pm

It took 8 months before I got the BMCC EF after I ordered it 3 months after its announcement at NAB.
It took 6 months before I got the UM46k EF after I ordered it, although it had been announced over a year ago at NAB.
It took 5 months before I got the PCC4k after I ordered it during its announcement at NAB.

It is difficult to get a production chain up and running. It is difficult to estimate the demand of a product in foresight, you just can't built a few more production plants in a short time to double, triple, whatever the production rate. Apple produces several millions of iPhones per month and still people think Apple is playing a game of artificial shortage for their goods...
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Re: BMPCC4K start shipping

PostWed Jan 30, 2019 2:34 pm

I ordered 20th Sept and still waiting. Considering cancelling, not so hyped for it anymore.
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Re: BMPCC4K start shipping

PostWed Jan 30, 2019 4:45 pm

Dan, at least there are thousands of the cameras out there already. Not like the URSA Mini 4.6K that was announced in April 2015 and began shipping late March 2016! When we do receive the camera, we are much better informed about it so less likely to be blindsided by something. With NAB 2019 9½ weeks away, there’s no escape from the press and customers wanting a frank disclosure. Of course BMD may provide another status update with more details before NAB 2019.

It’s probably just wishful thinking on my part, but I can’t help wonder if the apparent slowdown is related to new or updated products to be shown at NAB.


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BMPCC 4k Shipping 2019?

PostThu Jan 31, 2019 8:26 am

Hi, was just wondering if there was any news on info on the shipping for the bmpcc 4k this year? have one on pre-order here in South Africa, cant seem to get any info on ETA from their official re sellers so its a bit strange!
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Pocket 4Ks received in the last few weeks?

PostFri Feb 01, 2019 6:33 pm

So there's a huge thread of people talking about P4K shipping times. Most of it is people talking about either cameras they received back in December or people on wait lists. Very little discussion of people recently receiving their cameras.

So I'd be interested in hearing from anyone who has received a Pocket 4K in the last few weeks. It would be great if you could say when you ordered it and what retailer you ordered from. It would be a nice to get a sense of when and where units are showing up. As well as some hope to those of us on waiting lists!
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Re: Pocket 4Ks received in the last few weeks?

PostFri Feb 01, 2019 8:39 pm

I just talked to my dealer yesterday and asked him how deliveries or going. He told me that they haven't received any units in January. This seems to be the case for most of the dealers in the EU, as far as I have read from several other users.
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Re: Pocket 4Ks received in the last few weeks?

PostFri Feb 01, 2019 8:54 pm

Hi Robert, That's all that is being reported in the other thread. That's why I started this one to specifically hear from anyone with a different experience.
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Re: Pocket 4Ks received in the last few weeks?

PostFri Feb 01, 2019 9:00 pm

At least one person in one of the facebook groups got theirs today, in Ireland. Another person just posted a new unboxing video. https://www.facebook.com/groups/896900333767779/
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Re: Pocket 4Ks received in the last few weeks?

PostFri Feb 01, 2019 10:09 pm

I ordered mine from AValive (USA) on 1/3, it shipped on 1/12, and it was in my hands on 1/14. ;)
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Re: Pocket 4Ks received in the last few weeks?

PostFri Feb 01, 2019 10:14 pm

My dealer had non in jan too. But someone just put 4 on eBay in England so they’re coming from somewhere...
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Re: Pocket 4Ks received in the last few weeks?

PostSat Feb 02, 2019 12:11 am

Steven Reid wrote:I ordered mine from AValive (USA) on 1/3, it shipped on 1/12, and it was in my hands on 1/14. ;)


I ordered mine (in mid-Jan) from AVAlive, as well… it arrived today. I’m very, very happy.

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