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Re: Warning about new Sandisk Extreme Pro 95 MB/s media

PostFri Aug 09, 2019 8:47 am

ethangriffin wrote:
Username wrote:I believe I've found what we are looking for.

Integrals UltimaProX Gold SDHC/XC UHS-I U3 Card
in the sizes 128, 256 and 512 GB.


Not the 32 and 64 GB, as they have lower rated write speed.

I ran BM Disk Speed Test and clocked the 128 GB card at:
Write: 84,1 MB/s
Read: 90,9 MB/s

I inserted the 128 GB card in my BMMCC and formatted it HFS+.
And then I recorded RAW @ 25 fps until the card was full without a single dropped frame.
I verified the files on my MacBook Pro and Resolve.
Again I formatted the card in camera and recorded RAW @ 30 fps without a single dropped frame.
Same verification process.

The 128GB card for £19.21 and a mere £38.10 for 256 GB makes these very affordable.


Hello!

I bought this exact card with this link but the 256GB version. Sorry I can't post the URL.

Sadly it will only record ProRes422 without dropped frames. I could swear RAW was working before I formatted the card on my PC (thought it would be safer to format fully, guess not!). Now in HFS+ and exFAT only 422 works. Maybe some special formatting specs to trick the BMPCC into using it lol ? It won't even try RAW format, it ENDS recording immediately. It fails to format in camera for exFAT. It will format in camera HFS+.

Have you tried the 256 version yourself yet or only the 128GB?


I have used both 128 and 256 versions of the card. I’ve formatted them HFS+ in camera and I have had no problem with recording RAW on those cards as well.
I’ve filled the 128 without problem and recording about 30 min of RAW on the 256 without or dropped frames.
I have not had the time to let the BMMCC fill up the 256 Integral card yet.

I am out of travel atm but when I get time to test and fill the 256 I will do that and reply again.
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Good News!

PostSat Aug 10, 2019 5:40 pm

A few weeks ago I've talked to Angelbird and told them about the problem finding compatible SD cards for the old BMPCC and Videoassist. They said their technicians will look into this and if they can make their cards compatible.

Well, good news!
Yesterday I got an email that they were successful in modifying the Angelbird SD card firmware (unfortunately you can't upgrade SD cards yourself) to make some of their latest cards fully compatible to the BMPCC and the Videoassist models.
Because they can do that obviously only with the latest cards they are having in-house, they can guarantee compatibility solely for cards ordered directly from Angelbird.

I was told that AV PRO SD V60/V90 cards with 64 and 128 GB have been tested successfully with the BMPCC and Videoassist HD. For Videoassist 4k you will need the V90 cards.

If you are interested you can go to www.Angelbird.com and order from there. You might contact support@angelbird.com before ordering to make sure you will get the correct ones for you.
They'll do ship worldwide.
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Re: Warning about new Sandisk Extreme Pro 95 MB/s media

PostSat Aug 10, 2019 7:46 pm

You're a hero, Robert! Thank you so much for this.

The Kingston 128GB card is working well for me but I may pick up a few of these Angelbirds as well to round out my collection. :)
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Re: Warning about new Sandisk Extreme Pro 95 MB/s media

PostMon Aug 12, 2019 5:19 pm

I just received a:

Kingston Canvas React 256GB SDXC Class 10 SD Memory Card UHS-I 100MB/s R Flash Memory High Speed SD Card (SDR/256GB)


from Amazon US (sold by Amazon dot com) for about US$60. I formatted it in my original BMPCC as HFS+ and I'm letting it run in RAW recording. It estimated 1 hr 14min available. I'm at 20min in and it's still running, estimating another 57min to go.

Here's my question: Assuming it gets to the full card and stops, I'll have a quarter terabyte of Cinema DNG footage. Is there any automatic check to see if there are any dropped frames in that "file"? Anything in Resolve, Premiere Pro or other tool that confirms no dropped frames?

edit: Just pulled the footage up in Resolve with no problems. 1:23:19:06 to fill the card. I'll have to hammer it some more to see if I can produce any problems, but right now it looks like a fantastically cheap card that works!

(Keep in mind that there's always a degree of "silicon lottery" - unless a bit of storage media has been thoroughly pre-tested (which according to RED costs about US$1000 per drive ;) ), any single card/drive you get may have glitches on it that weren't caught in manufacturing. Be sure you're buying from somewhere you can easily exchange/return the card in case you get a bad one.)

I've used Sandisk ExtremePRO cards all along, so I've never had a dropped frame. My question still stands: How do I confirm that CinemaDNG footage has no dropped frames? Thanks!
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Re: Warning about new Sandisk Extreme Pro 95 MB/s media

PostMon Aug 12, 2019 8:47 pm

I’ve got a Sandisk Exteme Plus 150mbs 128gb card (v30) and it is not recognised by my Blackmagic Pocket Camera. Very disappointing to say the least. Will this card work in a Pocket 4K or is it not going to work for any Blackmagic camera?
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Re: Warning about new Sandisk Extreme Pro 95 MB/s media

PostTue Aug 13, 2019 1:54 am

Tom Donalek wrote:I just received a:

Kingston Canvas React 256GB SDXC Class 10 SD Memory Card UHS-I 100MB/s R Flash Memory High Speed SD Card (SDR/256GB)


Here's my question: Assuming it gets to the full card and stops, I'll have a quarter terabyte of Cinema DNG footage. Is there any automatic check to see if there are any dropped frames in that "file"? Anything in Resolve, Premiere Pro or other tool that confirms no dropped frames?

I've used Sandisk ExtremePRO cards all along, so I've never had a dropped frame. My question still stands: How do I confirm that CinemaDNG footage has no dropped frames? Thanks!


The camera will tell you, not Resolve. There’s a little orange exclamation point that appears if there have been any dropped frames while recording. The litmus test for these cards is to record at 30fps raw...if it can record that you should have no problems.
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Re: Warning about new Sandisk Extreme Pro 95 MB/s media

PostTue Aug 13, 2019 4:25 am

Brad, I know I've recently seen video of that "!" on the BMPCC4k, but I don't recall it for the original BMPCC. Where on the display does the drop frame exclamation point appear on the BMPCC display when it triggers?

I actually just rtfm'ed, and I see something about "red flashing" indicating a dropped frame, but it doesn't mention it being an exclamation mark. That said, the lines in the manual are far from clear.

I ran my earlier test at 23.98fps. I'll run it again at 30fps raw. I recorded 2ish hours of ProResHQ earlier today, with zero problems. So far, this cheap Kingston card is working well!
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Re: Warning about new Sandisk Extreme Pro 95 MB/s media

PostTue Aug 13, 2019 9:23 am

First post and disappointing that after the excited unwrapping of a Video Assist 5" and getting it fired up, that the 128GB Sandisk SD card I bought specially, isn't recognised, but works in every other device I own.

After going through all my SD cards I have found 2 64GB Sandisk cards that work. The problem is I need to record 50m of footage in one take and Using ProRes I will only get 29m, even LT only brings this to 41m and as I discount Prores PR (I assume proxy) then only DNxHD 45 gives me enough recording time on 64GB (surprisingly I do seem to get 1080p 50fps using DNxHD 45 despite the codec's description saying only 720 is available).

So having gone through the entire thread I have ordered a Samsung Evo Plus and Kingston Canvas React to see how I get on with these. I will post results.

It is frustrating to be faced with a list of 'approved' cards you cannot buy.
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Re: Warning about new Sandisk Extreme Pro 95 MB/s media

PostTue Aug 13, 2019 10:30 am

Tom Donalek wrote:Brad, I know I've recently seen video of that "!" on the BMPCC4k, but I don't recall it for the original BMPCC. Where on the display does the drop frame exclamation point appear on the BMPCC display when it triggers?


It's up at the top left corner of the BMPCC display. Can't remember if it's red or orange, but my recollection is that it's a circle with an exclamation point inside. I ran some tests with the Kingston card at 30fps raw, and on my Pocket I did get the dropped frame indicator after 13 minutes of recording, but on my Micro Cinema Camera I was able to fill the card with no dropped frames. I suspect the dropped frames on the Pocket were an issue with my particular camera, which also drops frames at 30fps in Prores even using the original BMD-recommended SanDisk cards, but doesn't drop frames at lower framerates.

In any case, I do think these Kingston cards are an excellent cheap solution and they have a lifetime guarantee. I'd probably feel a little more secure using the Angelbird cards that Robert so generously took time to make available to those of us using these older cameras; they're more expensive but not outrageously so.
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Re: Warning about new Sandisk Extreme Pro 95 MB/s media

PostTue Aug 13, 2019 9:40 pm

Brad - thanks for both replies. I just slapped myself in the forehead - I should just try using a so-so card to trigger the error so I can see it myself. duh.

I agree on the Anglebird cards. For any paid work where re-shooting would be a problem, better to use the high quality cards. For a lot of what I do, I can just re-do a shot if a card throws an error (as long as I know that it happened) and/or switch to a known-good card. But I wouldn't want to have the Kingston card as my only option.

edit: I tried the card in my GH5 to see what would and wouldn't work (200mbps seemed OK from one quick test, 400 failed in 11 seconds.) That required formatting the card from HFS+ to ? (ExFat?) When I put it back in the BMPCC, I tried recording with that format to see what would happen. With RAW, 24fps, about 30 seconds in I triggered the dropped frame warning - In the upper left corner where it would normally say "REC" in red, there was a red circle with a "negative" exclamation point blinking. It would be nice if the manuals stated this.
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Re: Warning about new Sandisk Extreme Pro 95 MB/s media

PostTue Aug 13, 2019 9:44 pm

Tom Donalek wrote:But I wouldn't want to have the Kingston card as my only option.


I feel the same way but there's no logical backup for that feeling: is it just because they're cheap? Do we equate cheap with low quality, even though the cards are guaranteed for life? I did see a report by Frank Engel that a micro-SD card from Kingston originally performed well but "didn't hold up" and eventually started dropping frames. But micro-SD isn't generally as reliable as SD.

Ah well, logical or not I suppose I'll get a few Angelbird cards for peace of mind (and to reward them for being willing to modify their cards to work in the BMPCC and related products).
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Re: Warning about new Sandisk Extreme Pro 95 MB/s media

PostFri Aug 16, 2019 12:53 pm

Both the Kingston Canvas React (V30) and Samsung Evo Plus (U3) 128GB cards have been working well in the Video Assist so far as alternatives. In testing I've made 40 minute+ ProRes recordings without any warnings.

Going to use them a bit more before deciding which if any to get more of.

Personally, over the years, I've never had a Kingston card let me down, so despite not being a 'premium' brand they seem to work well. Time will tell with this intensity of use.

I have a UHS-II 1000x Lexar card, it is only 16GB so not much help, but I did notice something a bit strange. First of all, it works, so the no UHS-II cards comments I've seen don't seem true. However, if I format the card and immediately start recording, after 3-5 minutes I get frame drop warnings. If I then stop the recording and start it again, the card will fill up with no further warnings. If I format the card, record for 30s, stop and restart, I get no frame drop warnings - odd.
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Re: Warning about new Sandisk Extreme Pro 95 MB/s media

PostFri Aug 16, 2019 6:01 pm

Brad Hurley wrote:a report by Frank Engel that a micro-SD card from Kingston originally performed well but "didn't hold up" and eventually started dropping frames. But micro-SD isn't generally as reliable as SD.


To be clear, that report was for a different Kingston card (not only micro-SD but a different product line) and the only problem I had was that it couldn't keep up with the data rate and would randomly start dropping frames during recording.

As with subwoofer, I consider Kingston to be about as good a brand as any when it comes to the reliability of their memory (in terms of data loss and the like), and I too tried the 128GB card that is being discussed here and have been able to record 30fps RAW with it consistently and without issue so far.
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