Oyvind Fiksdal wrote:Steve, I clearly wrote “cinematic movie”. “Cinematic” because you believe, or claim, that 13 stop is not good enough. You have been advocating this in many threads and even told us that the p4k/p6k is not worth buying because of these measly 13stops. Remember the credit card camera ?
Who said it wasn't good enough, you guys imagine these things. Weigh up and balance what is being said bro. You can film with a 3 stop camera like the old days, but it's going cost you, and your talent might not like the lighting (but let's assume sensitivity). The higher latitude just makes things more flexible and easier, starting at better quality. Run and gun, that's great, otherwise you might have tonbe more cinematic the less latitude it has. Why argue basic truth, does it help anybody?
It is less with buying, again, you are imaging it us not worth buying. When it is less with buying, the competition might be more worth buying then when otherwise. So, we are talking about free technology quality advantage which you don't want. It's actually a non pixel peeping picture levels quality advantage, and workflow advantage. It's something done over 27 stops with strong ideal color for many years from 1970's technology (not the credit card version). Out of patent, and we don't even use it. It's mad. Even Sony has some basic stuff on their consumer sensors. Anyway, see my HDR programmability thread for pocket, there is some good discussion there about getting extra stops out of the pocket, which I can see there on latitude tests, but is often ignored. So, you are going from usable of less than 12 stops according to these reviewers, to 14 stops likely. The 15th stop tab is just bad. But, with a mod to the camera, maybe 15 usable stops is doable (electric and cooling mods). However, while the noisy 14th stop is not that good for quality production, it is really good for run and gun, because it is there, and noise is not so offensive.
Really, given noise, a 17 stop sensor spec is desirable, to sacrifice the lower two stops. The mini 4.6k is only a stop ahead on those charts. The examples linked to there are actually very similar, despite different technology, and claims. The GH5s is the standout lower latitude (maybe from processing).
Yes, you should be thankful. No you are coming along to chime in and resist positive advancements. Yes, I did say that BM could and hopefully would improve Braw in these ways as well. So little point in using that one. You have a funny version of being on the :same side'. I don't. Look and you will see.
You have made a series of "strawman arguments". If you knew about design, it's expansive to come in order to produce the most effective and simple solutions, to hide, negotiate away, circumnavigate, answer and solve the complex problems. Just to write for 6 hours I might have to contemplate hundreds of vectors of problems even inna minute. The mind is contemplating thousands subconsciously. You have to weigh up and balance these things to design. I don't suspect you know about this, not many engineers and designers would. So, everything is Nuanced. On the other hand, "concrete arguments" are often simplistic opinions on reality advocated by people affected by the imposter syndrome (look it up, people who believe they know/are expert in things, broadly, and concretely, but unaware of how little they know or are skilled at. Where as the more real experts know, the note they realise they don't know everything and the more nuanced and philosophical elements they include to address the unkown). Where what I'm saying is am actual piece of concrete which connects to other pieces in life, the nature of how life works. You might think the rough unconnected edges are concrete, but that's how you address the exceptions to knowledge outside of what you actually know (the patchy rough piece of central concrete with lattice of real knowledge). If you think that is too complex, think about it. I have been where you are and now am somewhere much better, maybe not as secure, but note real.
Now, you bet you. I get fan mail from engineers, and yes I have contributed hundreds of things adopted by industry after I contributed them. You can't say that is not serious. But you should see rather than whine, I shouldn't have to tell you any of this. But if I don't, the positive things said get swept under the carpet, and progress hampered. Its not about you or me, it's about that........