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Regi Ellis

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Fusion Performance Differences

PostWed Aug 28, 2019 11:49 am

Hi

I currently own/installed both the latest studio versions of Resolve and Fusion 16. When doing just work related to VFX or Motion Graphics, I prefer to work in Fusion Standalone due to a more flexible interface. However, I am finding drastic performance differences in stand alone Fusion vs the one in Resolve. Comps that will play at 60 or 30 frames in Resolve, play at a 1/4 of the speed in stand alone...

I did a simple test with the following:
- background
- text+
- merge node

2 comps, 1 in UHD and the other in HD at 60FPS, 100 frames no keyframes, static;
After caching, Resolve runs at 60 fps in both comps; Standalone runs at 22-30FPS in UHD and 60FPS in HD.

I am not understanding the drastic performance difference on such a simple comp, when the code base is suppose to be the same. Most of my large comps become unworkable or crash prone ...

Can someone enlightening me on what is going on here?

Current System Specs:
Window 10 1903
Threadripper 2950x OC@4.1 all-cores (Underwater) on Asus Zenith Extreme
128GB RAM @2966
x2 EVGA RTX 2080TI FTW3 OC (Underwater)
Both apps are on WD Black M2 drives located on the board
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Re: Fusion Performance Differences

PostThu Aug 29, 2019 1:39 am

Very similar specs (1950x, 64gb, 2080ti) and I am getting 60fps in Fusion? I top out at 167fps in UHD playback (frame rate set to 200).

Are you setting the frame rate to 60fps in the preferences for the project?
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Re: Fusion Performance Differences

PostThu Aug 29, 2019 3:46 am

Kel Philm wrote:Very similar specs (1950x, 64gb, 2080ti) and I am getting 60fps in Fusion? I top out at 167fps in UHD playback (frame rate set to 200).

Are you setting the frame rate to 60fps in the preferences for the project?


Yes, the settings are at 60fps; are you referring to the Fusion standalone? Also are you using Ryzen Master to disable cores when you work?
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Re: Fusion Performance Differences

PostThu Aug 29, 2019 4:11 am

Fusion Studio standalone with Ryzen Master but not disabling cores as I work, not sure why I would want to do that with Fusion?
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Re: Fusion Performance Differences

PostThu Aug 29, 2019 4:59 pm

Kel Philm wrote:Fusion Studio standalone with Ryzen Master but not disabling cores as I work, not sure why I would want to do that with Fusion?


Fusion does not take advantage of all the cores and disabling some allows the active cores to run at higher clock speeds.
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Re: Fusion Performance Differences

PostThu Aug 29, 2019 6:06 pm

Regi Ellis wrote:Fusion does not take advantage of all the cores


On a 2950X? Yes it does. It might not on a dual 7742, but I haven't tested that.
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Re: Fusion Performance Differences

PostMon Sep 09, 2019 1:55 pm

I can confirm that Fusion 16 is way slower than Fusion 9
(see my specs in the footer).

Rendering a small testcomp and getting following rendertimes:

Fusion 9: 4 Minutes
Fusion 16: 18 Minutes
(can not post rendertimes from Fusion in Resolve, since it crashes)

Thats a huge difference and a step in the wrong direction....

I also have problems that in Fusion 16 some nodes do not work, for example the "Displace" node.
When copying the node from Fusion9 to 16 it works....


I am still so sad that they killed my beloved tool.
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Re: Fusion Performance Differences

PostMon Sep 09, 2019 2:18 pm

That's strange. Depending on the kind of flow I've seen pretty big speed ups in Fusion 16 compared to Fusion 9. The only difference the other way around is usually when doing 3D renders from comps that originated in Fusion 9. The anti-aliasing settings have changed from 9 to 16 and the conversion from one setting to the other tends to slow down the renders.
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Re: Fusion Performance Differences

PostMon Sep 09, 2019 5:49 pm

Marc Gasser wrote:I am still so sad that they killed my beloved tool.

How do you figure that? I'm still using Fusion 9 and it works like it always did. Not dead at all. :lol:
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Re: Fusion Performance Differences

PostMon Sep 09, 2019 7:59 pm

@RCModelReviews: You are right, I am also still using Fusion 9.

But I am looking for something with perspective for the next few years, just figured out that simple 2d animations render nearly realtime in Blender Eevee... and UE4 is also very interesting.
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Re: Fusion Performance Differences

PostMon Sep 09, 2019 9:32 pm

Marc,

Are you able to post the test comp?
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Re: Fusion Performance Differences

PostTue Sep 10, 2019 12:12 am

@Kel Philm:
I removed some assets to make the testcomp very simple and lightweight, get it here:
http://downloads.magdesign.ch/testcomp.zip (2MB)

In Fusion 9 render time is around 2 minutes.
In Fusion 16 render time is over 4 minutes.
In FusionResolve it crashes.
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Re: Fusion Performance Differences

PostTue Sep 10, 2019 2:15 am

Fusion 9 - 2:26 sec
Fusion 16 - 2:23 sec

CPU < 10%
GPU < 3%

Win Pro 10, TR 1950x, 64 GB 3200, RTX 2080ti.
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Re: Fusion Performance Differences

PostTue Sep 10, 2019 7:52 am

thanks.

It looks like issue by the operating system :(
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Re: Fusion Performance Differences

PostTue Sep 10, 2019 5:01 pm

It might not be OS. Can you change Fusion 16 to run openCL instead of CUDA? Worth a shot.

If you are concerned about performance, though, saving to PNG is going to kill you on simple comps like this. Changing to RAW, for example, cuts your render times from 2:24 to 0:17. Computers have reached a point that the I/O codec has a HUGE impact on render time.
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Re: Fusion Performance Differences

PostTue Sep 10, 2019 10:14 pm

@ Chad Capeland:

Thanks for the hint with the RAW codec, this is amazing and will save me ages of rendertime :P

However, I am not able to select my GPU in the Preferences/GPU, so I am not able to switch between Cuda and openCL.

I just spent another night testing other nvidia drivers, proprietary and open source ones, no luck.
At least I can be productive tomorrow and save rendertime while still being on Fusion9.

I think they messed up the Linux build.
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Re: Fusion Performance Differences

PostWed Sep 11, 2019 2:07 am

I had no idea that PNG format could slow a comp down that much (Down to 21sec in F16). That is insane. I guess the encoder/decoder was never written with sequences or multithreading in mind?

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