Afterglow Grades

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Re: Afterglow Grades

PostWed Aug 22, 2012 10:56 pm

prolost wrote:Wow, some great stuff here guys.

You can see my stab here: https://vimeo.com/47992323, and read about it here http://prolost.com/bmc.

-Stu


Great to see you here Stu.

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Re: Afterglow Grades

PostThu Aug 23, 2012 12:04 am

Kholi wrote:
andrew wrote:A couple more. I love the power of raw and the flexibility of setting WB in post!

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Wish I could see this grade in motion, pretty nice, man. Best I've seen, personally.


Thanks man. I uploaded this last night, but I'm pretty disappointed with youtube's compression of course. Oh well, at this point we all know how awesome and sharp these files are rendered to a good codec.

http://youtu.be/5Znun9FCGxc?hd=1&t=5s
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Re: Afterglow Grades

PostThu Aug 23, 2012 12:08 am

andrew wrote:
Kholi wrote:
andrew wrote:A couple more. I love the power of raw and the flexibility of setting WB in post!

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Wish I could see this grade in motion, pretty nice, man. Best I've seen, personally.


Thanks man. I uploaded this last night, but I'm pretty disappointed with youtube's compression of course. Oh well, at this point we all know how awesome and sharp these files are rendered to a good codec.

http://youtu.be/5Znun9FCGxc?hd=1&t=5s


Still, good stuff. Definitely tops.
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Re: Afterglow Grades

PostThu Aug 23, 2012 12:39 am

hey ! i cannot attach mine, it says invalid file. It's a .jpeg at maximum qualitty. What's wrong with me?? :?
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Re: Afterglow Grades

PostThu Aug 23, 2012 1:48 am

Jesuan wrote:hey ! i cannot attach mine, it says invalid file. It's a .jpeg at maximum qualitty. What's wrong with me?? :?


It's because it's at max quality. Try keeping the file a little smaller. I think I exported out at 960x540 with 75% quality
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Re: Afterglow Grades

PostThu Aug 23, 2012 3:09 am

here is my quick little test i did with resolve:

https://vimeo.com/48049920

i tried to go for a more natural kind of look ... i guess
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PostThu Aug 23, 2012 3:21 am

My take:
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Re: Afterglow Grades

PostThu Aug 23, 2012 4:46 am

Hi,

Here is some conservative takes part I.
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Re: Afterglow Grades

PostThu Aug 23, 2012 4:47 am

Conservative takes part II.
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Re: Afterglow Grades

PostThu Aug 23, 2012 5:07 am

I'm an aspiring colorist and I never worked with RAW media before, so It was kinda my first hands-on uncompressed footage. Really excited about the footage this camera can produce! Really easy to grade!
Played 10 mins in Resolve 9 before going to bed :

high-contrast version, some hsl-qualifiers, vignette

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and this is my variation of the mostly hated Teal & Orange look :twisted:

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Re: Afterglow Grades

PostThu Aug 23, 2012 5:32 am

andrew wrote:
hankpalan wrote:I quickly (as in one click per picture) ran these through Lightroom using VSCO Film presets. Although they are calibrated for a specific Canon Camera, they are still very impressive. VSCO Film is set out to emulate classic Photography film stocks for digital cameras by manipulating the color data from the RAW before it gets processed.

Needless to say, if I get the BMCC I'll be processing all my footage with VSCO Film before I edit to greatly reduce my grading time.

I could spend time tweaking the presets of course, but I wanted to see what it would give me stock.


That's not bad at all! It's pretty cool that BMD used an open standard so we can process the images in a number of different apps.

I was thinking though. These presets look great, but we might have to remove the grain and apply a grain intended for motion later in the workflow. I'm not sure, but wouldn't a Lightroom grain setting give you a static grain profile since it's intended for still photos?


Yeah I wouldn't use the grain in Lightroom. I don't know if the grain is random everytime it is applied, but I'd rather use grain plates from actual film stock that I have.
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Re: Afterglow Grades

PostThu Aug 23, 2012 5:39 am

For fun I put this little video together of my grading efforts on Afterglow. Really excited to get my hands on this camera. Don't forget to watch in 1080P the quality and latitude is amazing!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z5YZBZK3I4w
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Re: Afterglow Grades

PostThu Aug 23, 2012 7:06 am

Here are my grades. These are just screen grabs from Resolve.
I'm very impressed with the camera controls in Resolve.
Pulling the blown highlights back to retrieve detail was great.
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Re: Afterglow Grades

PostThu Aug 23, 2012 8:15 am

Here is my grade using the Adobe Camera Raw workflow.
https://vimeo.com/48025934

And 4k upscaled version on Youtube. Upscaled in Raw. - View in Chrome to enable 4k playback.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dvbU2GZLyRc

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PostThu Aug 23, 2012 8:42 am

Got a hold of a DNG frame and had a tinker in Photoshop with some 2.35:1 crops.

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Re: Afterglow Grades

PostThu Aug 23, 2012 8:58 am

Thanks John and the Blackmagic Team!
From Resolve 9 B3 (p.s can we submit bugs in this forum? :P )

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In motion:

https://vimeo.com/48061219

Uploaded at 720p - also with the typical gamma shift problems when converting/outputting (still haven't found a solid way around that.. anyone??)
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Re: Afterglow Grades

PostThu Aug 23, 2012 9:02 am

CaptainHook wrote:Thanks John and the Blackmagic Team!
From Resolve 9 B3 (p.s can we submit bugs in this forum? :P )


In motion:

https://vimeo.com/48061219

Uploaded at 720p - also with the typical gamma shift problems when converting/outputting (still haven't found a solid way around that.. anyone??)



Some very lovely grades there !

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Re: Afterglow Grades

PostThu Aug 23, 2012 9:43 am

Grades.... You can do it in AF with Camera Raw from Adobe. I don't know why but i can't just find myself in davinci resolve. If you open the AE and on the project table right click on the import-> multiple files you will be able to open DNG in camera raw and then on timeline of AE to see what have you grade. Sory for my bad english ;)

There is a example of my grades:

http://blackleaf.co/UPLOAD/bmc2.mp4
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Re: Afterglow Grades

PostThu Aug 23, 2012 9:49 am

hankpalan wrote:
Yeah I wouldn't use the grain in Lightroom. I don't know if the grain is random everytime it is applied, but I'd rather use grain plates from actual film stock that I have.


Yeah, I actually tried this out and it's just static grain pattern overlaid over the image. Looks really weird.
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Re: Afterglow Grades

PostThu Aug 23, 2012 10:49 am

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If I any doubts about the bmc before, these grades have definitely made them seem much less important :D .
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Re: Afterglow Grades

PostThu Aug 23, 2012 11:46 am

jocelyntremblay wrote:Conservative takes part II.


Hi Jocelyntremblay, your conservative grades look amazing, very filmic. Where did you do the grading and can you give us some details as to how you achieved the look. Thumbs up!

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Re: Afterglow Grades

PostThu Aug 23, 2012 11:52 am

John Brawley wrote:Some very lovely grades there !

Thanks John! It was interesting to play with these in resolve vs the 'log stills' released earlier. I ended up pulling down the exposure and adjusting the white balance/tint for each clip before doing a "grade" - is the metadata for how it was set in camera not coming in correctly to resolve ? Or is how these appear at 'default' in resolve what you were seeing as you shot?

Will you be able to post log prores files at some point? I would love to play with them to compare.

Thanks again. :)
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Re: Afterglow Grades

PostThu Aug 23, 2012 12:04 pm

CaptainHook wrote:
John Brawley wrote:Some very lovely grades there !

Thanks John! It was interesting to play with these in resolve vs the 'log stills' released earlier. I ended up pulling down the exposure and adjusting the white balance/tint for each clip before doing a "grade" - is the metadata for how it was set in camera not coming in correctly to resolve ? Or is how these appear at 'default' in resolve what you were seeing as you shot?

Will you be able to post log prores files at some point? I would love to play with them to compare.

Thanks again. :)


The meta data really only seems to carry for WB.

Exposure seems to be variable. It "feels as though it's over but nothing is actually clipped. Once you bring the range back into the middle with the exposure slider it should be good. I think the way the images in resolve display, don't really have anything to do with how they look on set. Just liek they look totally different again if you use Preview, LR or PS. Each one has a totally different *take* on the image.

I'll post some ProRes FILM shots as soon as I'm able to.

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Re: Afterglow Grades

PostThu Aug 23, 2012 12:14 pm

John Brawley wrote:I think the way the images in resolve display, don't really have anything to do with how they look on set.

I thought as much. Thanks for the info. I might have a go at these from Capture One (my RAW convertor of choice) to compare as well. Cheers!
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Re: Afterglow Grades

PostThu Aug 23, 2012 12:34 pm

Okay, something is up.

Opening a frame in Capture One and the exposure and wb/tint are VERY different to Resolve. In Capture One it appears to be how i assume it looked 'on set'. Resolve had wb @6500 and tint @0. I tried changing clip settings around from as shot/default and eventually went with per clip and set it all myself.

Capture One has wb @4489 and tint @-13,7.
The Capture One default actually looks pretty damn good off the bat, especially exposure.
I just tried with Aperture. Too hot and wb is @5565 and tint @4.
Lightroom. WAY too hot and wb @5550 tint @14.

I've never had such discrepancies with other still raw files in the various apps.
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PostThu Aug 23, 2012 12:37 pm

Did this with Camera RAW, tried to make it pop as much as possible without losing any details. Took down the reds a bit, this way the jacket doesn't burn out. Can't wait for the camera
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PostThu Aug 23, 2012 2:06 pm

Here's my quick stab. Not graded for the story, just what I thought looked nice as I played around with it. Loving some of the grades posted on this forum! These DNGs are such fun!

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PostThu Aug 23, 2012 2:23 pm

I graded mine in FCPX. Downloaded the afterglow DNG lies, opened them in Resolve 9 beta. Rendered them to Prores 444 then imported them to FCPX. Applied Luster Grade Presets just to see how awesome it is, here they are overlayed.:)

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PostThu Aug 23, 2012 4:18 pm

This is my take on the raw files. Wanted to use Resolve, but have to learn it first and I just wanted a quick play-around. Did the grading in After Effects CS6 using Magic Bullet Looks en Colorista II. Tried to go for a realistic, filmic approach:

http://vimeo.com/48077402
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PostThu Aug 23, 2012 4:33 pm

Couple images. Subdued or with a little pop. Gonna be fun, but, OMG the disk space we will use.
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PostThu Aug 23, 2012 4:34 pm

How do I Delete?
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PostThu Aug 23, 2012 4:35 pm

Little more subdued.
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Subdued
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PostThu Aug 23, 2012 4:39 pm

more pop.
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Re: Afterglow Grades

PostThu Aug 23, 2012 6:48 pm

And I'm back again with video examples of VSCO Film/Lightroom grading on some of this footage.
https://vimeo.com/48092208
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Help! I have a 21.5-inch, Late 2009, and I am having huge gpu issues, is there an external card that can give me the juice to edit this stuff without buying a new mac?
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selfreflexion wrote:Help! I have a 21.5-inch, Late 2009, and I am having huge gpu issues, is there an external card that can give me the juice to edit this stuff without buying a new mac?


Are you talking iMac? I have the 27" iMac (late 2009) and you've got further into Resolve than I have. Which version of Resolve are you using?

As far as I know, there's no external GPU option for the iMac. And you cannot upgrade the built-in card (like my ATI 4850) because no one is authorized to do that... it's not even a 'card' of course as it's just a circuit board soldered to the main board I believe. I asked my local reseller to do the upgrade, but they said they can't as Apple doesn't supply any beefier daughter-cards for our model.
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PostThu Aug 23, 2012 7:39 pm

CaptainHook wrote:Thanks John and the Blackmagic Team!
From Resolve 9 B3 (p.s can we submit bugs in this forum? :P )

Image
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Image
Image
Image

In motion:

https://vimeo.com/48061219

Uploaded at 720p - also with the typical gamma shift problems when converting/outputting (still haven't found a solid way around that.. anyone??)

no offense to the other people, but these are the best ones by far :D
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PostThu Aug 23, 2012 7:52 pm

Yeah iMAC, its the new 9 beta, I have 8 too and the same thing. Yeah I think I am going to have to end up getting a mac pro with a red rocket and mega gpu.


rick.lang wrote:
Are you talking iMac? I have the 27" iMac (late 2009) and you've got further into Resolve than I have. Which version of Resolve are you using?

As far as I know, there's no external GPU option for the iMac. And you cannot upgrade the built-in card (like my ATI 4850) because no one is authorized to do that... it's not even a 'card' of course as it's just a circuit board soldered to the main board I believe. I asked my local reseller to do the upgrade, but they said they can't as Apple doesn't supply any beefier daughter-cards for our model.
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Going for a film style look while keeping a similar color balance as a previous grade.

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I am so impressed with this camera! Glad I pre-ordered months ago :)
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PostThu Aug 23, 2012 11:33 pm

jamesmiller wrote:View in Chrome to enable 4k playback.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dvbU2GZLyRc

The best I get is 2048x1536 - in IE9, Cr or FF, doesn't matter.

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andrew wrote:Going for a film style look while keeping a similar color balance as a previous grade.

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I am so impressed with this camera! Glad I pre-ordered months ago :)


Good stuff again, Andrew. Kill it.
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Re: Afterglow Grades

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Johannes wrote:
jocelyntremblay wrote:Conservative takes part II.


Hi Jocelyntremblay, your conservative grades look amazing, very filmic. Where did you do the grading and can you give us some details as to how you achieved the look. Thumbs up!

Johannes


Hi,

It was only some camera raw. Mainly warming the white balance and lowering the contrast using curves


Here is a a new take based on the same settings but with some basic After Effects curves and hue/saturation.


https://vimeo.com/48120988
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Heres a quick test grade...
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PostFri Aug 24, 2012 7:32 am

Here's my quick test grade. The video noise looks like film grain, the detail pulled back from the highlights and shadows is awesome; it's like going back to the digital darkroom and discovering Canon RAW for the first time again. This is a great tool.
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Jesuan wrote:
CaptainHook wrote:Thanks John and the Blackmagic Team!
From Resolve 9 B3 (p.s can we submit bugs in this forum? :P )

Image
Image
Image
Image
Image

In motion:

https://vimeo.com/48061219

Uploaded at 720p - also with the typical gamma shift problems when converting/outputting (still haven't found a solid way around that.. anyone??)

no offense to the other people, but these are the best ones by far :D


They are beautiful!
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Re: Afterglow Grades

PostFri Aug 24, 2012 2:12 pm

Hi,

just had very quick go in photoshop(unfortunately resolve lite wont run on my machine). Wasnt really going for any kind of look just playing around.

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Re: Afterglow Grades

PostFri Aug 24, 2012 2:50 pm

here's mine folks!!! Hope you like it!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6FRTAqCJ ... el&list=UL
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