ATTENTION MODS: When will we see some BMCC 4K footage?

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LETS SEE SOME 4k FOOTAGE

PostWed Apr 10, 2013 4:09 pm

Once again, our delight in black magics ground breaking releases has got us all making orders for cameras that most of us haven´t even tested let alone seen!

So seriously, lets at least have some samples!
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Re: LETS SEE SOME 4k FOOTAGE

PostWed Apr 10, 2013 4:12 pm

bartman wrote:Once again, our delight in black magics ground breaking releases has got us all making orders for cameras that most of us haven´t even tested let alone seen!

So seriously, lets at least have some samples!


Any sample footage before shipping will only be ProRes , But I Want to see it anyway.
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Re: LETS SEE SOME 4k FOOTAGE

PostWed Apr 10, 2013 4:39 pm

Also, important to see the downscaled 1080 from the new sensor,
according to BM its "beautiful"
but would be nice if we were allowed to judge this oursleves prior to buying the camera
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Re: LETS SEE SOME 4k FOOTAGE

PostWed Apr 10, 2013 8:38 pm

Can´t wait to see something!

you would think that BM would have sent out cameras to some beta testers

and that they would be uploading for the announcement at NAB
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Re: LETS SEE SOME 4k FOOTAGE

PostWed Apr 10, 2013 9:03 pm

bartman wrote:Also, important to see the downscaled 1080 from the new sensor,
according to BM its "beautiful"
but would be nice if we were allowed to judge this oursleves prior to buying the camera


Not sure of the details of the downscaling in camera, but certainly if you bring the raw into Resolve, you should have enough colour information in the 3840x2160 images to generate 1920x1080 ProRes 4:4:4 HQ which isn't too shabby!

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Re: LETS SEE SOME 4k FOOTAGE

PostThu Apr 11, 2013 12:18 am

bartman wrote:... lets at least have some samples!


You want to see sample video from a camera that's still in early beta form (at best)?

OK, but personally I'm much more interested in seeing footage from an all-but-final pre-production or first-run production unit BMPC-4K camera -- which is still months away.

In the meantime, I've placed a no-obligation, no-deposit pre-order for a BMPC-4K with my dealer. I've got plenty of time to decide to keep or cancel my pre-order by the time "final" sample footage becomes available.

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Re: LETS SEE SOME 4k FOOTAGE

PostThu Apr 11, 2013 1:11 am

Peter J. DeCrescenzo wrote:
bartman wrote:... lets at least have some samples!


You want to see sample video from a camera that's still in early beta form (at best)?

OK, but personally I'm much more interested in seeing footage from an all-but-final pre-production or first-run production unit BMPC-4K camera -- which is still months away.

In the meantime, I've placed a no-obligation, no-deposit pre-order for a BMPC-4K with my dealer. I've got plenty of time to decide to keep or cancel my pre-order by the time "final" sample footage becomes available.

Cheers.


I think we just want to see anything, Pre-Beta, Pre Feta cheese for all care, just get something
"THAT LOOKS AWESOME" from the Production camera out for us to view, I get it, Maybe it's far from ready, But when it's a rats ass close to shipping, I hope we see something at least :shock:
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Re: LETS SEE SOME 4k FOOTAGE

PostThu Apr 11, 2013 1:26 am

bartman wrote:Also, important to see the downscaled 1080 from the new sensor,
according to BM its "beautiful"
but would be nice if we were allowed to judge this oursleves prior to buying the camera


Keep in mind that the 1080p video image from all Canon DSLRs are downscaled full sensor images and many of them suffer from morie' issues. Let's hope BMD has solved this problem.
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Re: LETS SEE SOME 4k FOOTAGE

PostThu Apr 11, 2013 3:32 am

Benton wrote:
bartman wrote:Also, important to see the downscaled 1080 from the new sensor,
according to BM its "beautiful"
but would be nice if we were allowed to judge this oursleves prior to buying the camera


Keep in mind that the 1080p video image from all Canon DSLRs are downscaled full sensor images and many of them suffer from morie' issues. Let's hope BMD has solved this problem.


Once again at the very end of one of the videos at NAB, Tim from BMD was quickly asked about problems on the BMPC4K like moiré, and he responded that it was not a problem. It was an awfully quick response for one of the most nagging problems on the BMCC so let's see when the beta cameras are released if Tim was speaking accurately.

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Re: LETS SEE SOME 4k FOOTAGE

PostThu Apr 11, 2013 4:01 am

rick.lang wrote:
Benton wrote:
bartman wrote:Also, important to see the downscaled 1080 from the new sensor,
according to BM its "beautiful"
but would be nice if we were allowed to judge this oursleves prior to buying the camera


Keep in mind that the 1080p video image from all Canon DSLRs are downscaled full sensor images and many of them suffer from morie' issues. Let's hope BMD has solved this problem.


Once again at the very end of one of the videos at NAB, Tim from BMD was quickly asked about problems on the BMPC4K like moiré, and he responded that it was not a problem. It was an awfully quick response for one of the most nagging problems on the BMCC so let's see when the beta cameras are released if Tim was speaking accurately.

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Great question Rick, One that I overlooked?? but I am very curious to see the results of,
thanks for bringing moiré question forward with the production camera.
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Re: LETS SEE SOME 4k FOOTAGE

PostThu Apr 11, 2013 4:39 am

Let´s hope some beta footage gets uploaded soon (Mr. Brawley/Bloom)
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PostThu Apr 11, 2013 1:19 pm

I ordered a BMCC and it came this week. I don't have it yet because of I am working and now, they announced that amazing camera but I couldn't believe them because of their really bad reputation about delivering their products on time. It is not only about cameras but also about other products as such as switchers etc.

Global shutter and s35 sensor are big pluses while it has 12 stop dr. If they will deliver camera on time I'll get one instead of BMCC. btw, of course it would be nice to see from camera but I expect nothing less than bmcc from bmd.
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Re: LETS SEE SOME 4k FOOTAGE

PostThu Apr 11, 2013 3:52 pm

Moire is still there on the 4K.

There's no point showing 4K demo footage that doesn't AT ALL represent the finished camera.

The scaling in the 2.5K BMCC seems to keep everyone happy. Why the scepticism now in the 4k ?

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Re: LETS SEE SOME 4k FOOTAGE

PostThu Apr 11, 2013 4:44 pm

John Brawley wrote:Moire is still there on the 4K.

There's no point showing 4K demo footage that doesn't AT ALL represent the finished camera.

The scaling in the 2.5K BMCC seems to keep everyone happy. Why the scepticism now in the 4k ? jb


Funny isn't it? I agree with Orsen Welles: "No wine before its time!"

I look forward to seeing BMPC-4K sample footage whenever it's looking really good, even if that isn't until the day before it ships.

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PostThu Apr 11, 2013 5:53 pm

At least this cameras still a few months out. RED are upgrading Epics as we speak and yet the firmware and colour science aren't ready so there's no footage out there......
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Re: LETS SEE SOME 4k FOOTAGE

PostThu Apr 11, 2013 6:18 pm

John Brawley wrote:Moire is still there on the 4K.

There's no point showing 4K demo footage that doesn't AT ALL represent the finished camera.

The scaling in the 2.5K BMCC seems to keep everyone happy. Why the scepticism now in the 4k ?

jb


Lets see some BM Pocket Camera footage then?
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John Brawley wrote:Moire is still there on the 4K.

There's no point showing 4K demo footage that doesn't AT ALL represent the finished camera.

The scaling in the 2.5K BMCC seems to keep everyone happy. Why the scepticism now in the 4k ?

jb



I'm really curious as to their timetable for releasing this camera. I don't know the actual work that goes into the late stages of developing a camera, but I'd imagine it taking more than four months to get from a product that can be showed on the floor of a tradeshow but no footage can be seen and no one's had the camera for testing, to a camera that's boxed up and in a UPS truck ready to go for thousands of customers.

I've got a BMPC4K preordered, but i'm purely curious because it seems like such an aggressive launch date for where it seems they are in production.
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Re: LETS SEE SOME 4k FOOTAGE

PostThu Apr 11, 2013 7:52 pm

John Brawley wrote:Moire is still there on the 4K.

jb


Thanks, John. I had the feeling Tim too quickly dismissed that last second question in the one interview. I have no problem waiting to see footage when the BMPC4K is near or at its shipping date.

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PostThu Apr 11, 2013 8:36 pm

I'm really curious as to their timetable for releasing this camera. I don't know the actual work that goes into the late stages of developing a camera, but I'd imagine it taking more than four months to get from a product that can be showed on the floor of a tradeshow but no footage can be seen and no one's had the camera for testing, to a camera that's boxed up and in a UPS truck ready to go for thousands of customers.



Good point!
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Re: LETS SEE SOME 4k FOOTAGE

PostThu Apr 11, 2013 8:39 pm

John Brawley wrote:Moire is still there on the 4K.

There's no point showing 4K demo footage that doesn't AT ALL represent the finished camera.



Fair enough, but why release yet another camera thats still not ready
surely it takes more than a few months from BETA-testing to a finished product?
or is it just down to software tweaking?
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bartman wrote:
John Brawley wrote:Moire is still there on the 4K.

There's no point showing 4K demo footage that doesn't AT ALL represent the finished camera.



Fair enough, but why release yet another camera thats still not ready
surely it takes more than a few months from BETA-testing to a finished product?
or is it just down to software tweaking?


It may well be down to software issues and colour science. The hardware may well be pretty much locked down by now and production starting.
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Re: LETS SEE SOME 4k FOOTAGE

PostThu Jun 13, 2013 8:16 pm

6/13/2013, and no 4k footage online anywhere yet, very disappointed. Camera is supposed to come out in a few weeks from now.
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ATTENTION MODS: When will we see some BMCC 4K footage?

PostThu Jun 13, 2013 8:28 pm

Nobody at your phone support knows or could answer the question. The suspense is killing me, I'm about to order another camera. Can we please see something to know what we're waiting for? :|
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PostThu Jun 13, 2013 8:43 pm

You gotta be joking if you think this camera is coming out anytime soon. :roll:
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Robert Bentley wrote:I'm about to order another camera.


You should.
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Re: ATTENTION MODS: When will we see some BMCC 4K footage?

PostThu Jun 13, 2013 9:17 pm

I can't wait to publish some 4k footage!
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PostThu Jun 13, 2013 11:53 pm

Robert Bentley wrote:Can we please see something to know what we're waiting for?

Can we please see the same posting only once? No need to put the same request in any number of other threads as well, it surely won't speed up the CC4K prodution.
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PostFri Jun 14, 2013 12:12 am

Are we there yet? Daddy, are we there yet? DADDY! ARE WE THERE YET?? DADDY!! DADDY!! WAAAAHHHH
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PostFri Jun 14, 2013 12:48 am

I'm betting that in 30 days we will see the first footage. Say, July 15th for shipment starting on the 31st.
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PostFri Jun 14, 2013 10:16 am

thekreative wrote:I'm betting that in 30 days we will see the first footage. Say, July 15th for shipment starting on the 31st.


I guess I can't complain if they are testing them longer. That way all the bugs are worked out before they are shipped, leading to less returns/problems. But I'm very impatient and want to see some footage. Looks like I'll be refreshing this forum for the next 30 days x 10 times a day = 300 times checking this forum. :shock: :lol:
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Randy Walters wrote:Are we there yet? Daddy, are we there yet? DADDY! ARE WE THERE YET?? DADDY!! DADDY!! WAAAAHHHH

:lol: :oops: :D :) ;)
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Nick Vega wrote:
Robert Bentley wrote:I'm about to order another camera.


You should.

Decided I will wait for it, not everyday I can afford a camera this awesome. I always wanted a Red but never could afford one. Finally something comes out that is comparable to the Scarlet and I can afford it. :shock: :)
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PostFri Jun 14, 2013 10:18 am

bmcc.tv wrote:I can't wait to publish some 4k footage!

Love what you are doing with your website, been checking out lots of footage from it.

Great work. :D 8-)
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Re: ATTENTION MODS: When will we see some BMCC 4K footage?

PostFri Jun 14, 2013 3:01 pm

Robert Bentley wrote:Nobody at your phone support knows or could answer the question. The suspense is killing me, I'm about to order another camera. Can we please see something to know what we're waiting for? :|

I'm afraid that I can't answer that question any better than our support folks, sorry! I know they are working on it, but there isn't an official release date. It will be posted whenever it's ready.
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PostFri Jun 14, 2013 3:08 pm

Christine Peterson wrote:there isn't an official release date.


Was "Shipping in July" only an ESTIMATE? :lol:
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mhood wrote:
Christine Peterson wrote:there isn't an official release date.


Was "Shipping in July" only an ESTIMATE? :lol:

I think she meant an official release date of the sample footage.


So they are working on it? The beta testers got the 4k cameras and it's only a matter of time then until we see something. :shock:
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PostFri Jun 14, 2013 3:13 pm

mhood wrote:
Christine Peterson wrote:there isn't an official release date.


Was "Shipping in July" only an ESTIMATE? :lol:

No. I meant the footage doesn't have a specific release date. The camera is still expected to ship in July.
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Re: ATTENTION MODS: When will we see some BMCC 4K footage?

PostFri Jun 14, 2013 3:14 pm

Can you tell us who is beta testing the 4k camera right now and will be releasing footage? :shock:
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Christine Peterson wrote:
mhood wrote:
Christine Peterson wrote:there isn't an official release date.


Was "Shipping in July" only an ESTIMATE? :lol:

No. I meant the footage doesn't have a specific release date. The camera is still expected to ship in July.


Then, sometime before the end of July? It's a d8 Christine. :)
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Re: ATTENTION MODS: When will we see some BMCC 4K footage?

PostFri Jun 14, 2013 5:09 pm

Note: The attached photo might not be a BMPC-4K being used by DP John Brawley.

The reason I'm posting this here is because this would be an excellent example of a type of shot for testing the BMPC-4K's global shutter sensor against (for example) the original BMCC's rolling shutter sensor.

Some rolling shutter sensor cameras would record a fair amount of jello as a result of the vibration & bumps caused by the dolly's wheels as they roll across the pavement. Using an IS lens would probably help somewhat, but some RS jello would still likely be recorded.

However, it's also possible the original BMCC can do a great job in this scenario. The proof would be in the footage. A side-by-side test with both cams mounted on the dolly at the same time, using the same settings and identical (or near identical) lenses, would be an ideal test.

Anyway, I don't know if this is a BMPC-4K being tested or shooting sample footage, but i hope JB or other beta testers do a test like this.

jb bmcc low low angle shot.jpg
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PostFri Jun 14, 2013 5:16 pm

Robert Bentley wrote:Can you tell us who is beta testing the 4k camera right now and will be releasing footage? :shock:


I believe John Brawley has been testing the BMPC-4K for awhile.

I know first-hand of at least one BMD beta tester who may be testing a BMPC-4K by now (he was expecting his a few days ago), but can't confirm because he's under NDA.

In the past BMD has given their beta testers permission to identify themselves and discuss certain aspects of the beta version cams they're using, but I don't know if this is the case with the BMPC-4K. These are pretty normal procedures for pre-release products & NDA contract limitations.

BMD is well-aware we'd like to see BMPC-4K sample footage. I'm certain they'll release it as soon as they feel it's ready to show.

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PostFri Jun 14, 2013 7:24 pm

^Awesome news. Refreshing daily to see footage. :shock:
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PostSat Jun 15, 2013 4:04 pm

So.. if i understood well.. the camera is not ready yet, and that is why there is no footage to see
but, even thought the camera is not yet ready, it has been announced months ago to be shipping on july
Wow!!!
This company is trying to bury itself?
why do they keep playing the same "never delivering" game over and over again?
Is the mad hatter the real CEO at BM?
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PostSat Jun 15, 2013 5:34 pm

Fulgencio Martínez wrote:even thought the camera is not yet ready, it has been announced months ago to be shipping on july

That's no contradiction. The camera hardware might very well be in production already, while the firmware is still being optimised and added later. You wouldn't risk to release exemplary footage from your flag ship device until the colour science performes as good as advertised, would you?
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Re: ATTENTION MODS: When will we see some BMCC 4K footage?

PostSat Jun 15, 2013 5:39 pm

Fulgencio Martínez wrote:So.. if i understood well.. the camera is not ready yet, and that is why there is no footage to see
but, even thought the camera is not yet ready, it has been announced months ago to be shipping on july
Wow!!!
This company is trying to bury itself?
why do they keep playing the same "never delivering" game over and over again?
Is the mad hatter the real CEO at BM?


Tens of thousands of successful, profitable companies worldwide regularly (pre-)announce products & services for release at a later date. There's nothing unusual about it in the slightest.

Take a look at your calendar: It's not Aug. 1, 2013 yet. After that date you can whine about BMD & the BMPC-4K if it's not shipping yet.

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PostSun Jun 16, 2013 10:28 am

Peter.

It's a regular m/ft blackmagic cinema camera.

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Peter J. DeCrescenzo wrote:Using an IS lens would probably help somewhat, but some RS jello would still likely be recorded.


IS lens doesnt help reduce rolling shutter jello :roll:
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Samjack wrote:IS lens doesnt help reduce rolling shutter jello :roll:

It does, as it does reduce (unwanted) movement in your images. The remaining (wanted) movement suffers the same jelly effect as without IS.
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John Brawley wrote:Peter.

It's a regular m/ft blackmagic cinema camera.

JB.


Thanks for that confirmation, JB.

Looking forward to seeing BMPC-4K sample footage when it's ready.

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Mac Jaeger wrote:
Samjack wrote:IS lens doesnt help reduce rolling shutter jello :roll:

It does, as it does reduce (unwanted) movement in your images. The remaining (wanted) movement suffers the same jelly effect as without IS.


Correct.

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