Blackmagic RAW on the Ursa Mini 4.6k?

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Re: Blackmagic RAW on the Ursa Mini 4.6k?

PostThu Aug 15, 2019 4:24 pm

Can I send in my 4.6K and get that sensor put into the Pocket 6K body? I'd gladly do that. And, I'm serious that I would love if in place of the Pocket 6K EF there was a Pocket 4.6K EF. Shooting BRAW up to 60 FPS in 4.6K on a Pocket 4.6K would be fantastic as a little B-Camera and a camera to use in situations where there UMPG2 isn't as feasible.
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Re: Blackmagic RAW on the Ursa Mini 4.6k?

PostFri Aug 16, 2019 3:20 am

Denny Smith wrote:No body supports cameras that are out of production with her feature FW updates. Many manufacturers charge for FW updates that add new functionality, like Panasonic did with the FW update to add 60FPS recording to the AF100. Older BMD cameras also lack the processing power to deal with BRaw. If any camera would have received a Braw update it would have been the UrsaMini 4.6, but sadly not, and now it is EOL.

BMD has made many feature updates to all of their cameras, adding new functionality in addition to fixing issues, and all the updates were free!

You want BRaw, simple, you need to buy a new camera. ;)


I'll GLADLY pay for a BRAW FW update on the URSA Mini 4.6k. In fact, I'm pretty certain enough people on this forum would donate/pay enough to cover the day or 2 salary it would take one of their engineers to migrate the update over to the URSA Mini 4.6. Someone start the Fundraiser campaign. If even 100 people paid $100-$200 for the FW update that's $10-20k...MORE THAN ENOUGH to fund a day or 2 of work for an engineer + extra leftover for overhead AND profit and then some!

timbutt2 wrote:Can I send in my 4.6K and get that sensor put into the Pocket 6K body? I'd gladly do that. And, I'm serious that I would love if in place of the Pocket 6K EF there was a Pocket 4.6K EF. Shooting BRAW up to 60 FPS in 4.6K on a Pocket 4.6K would be fantastic as a little B-Camera and a camera to use in situations where there UMPG2 isn't as feasible.


Dude, serious question...are you EVER happy/satisfied??
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Re: Blackmagic RAW on the Ursa Mini 4.6k?

PostFri Aug 16, 2019 4:55 am

This grease is just for LOLs at this point, can someone just officially end it.
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Re: Blackmagic RAW on the Ursa Mini 4.6k?

PostFri Aug 16, 2019 2:48 pm

JoshMallett wrote:
timbutt2 wrote:Can I send in my 4.6K and get that sensor put into the Pocket 6K body? I'd gladly do that. And, I'm serious that I would love if in place of the Pocket 6K EF there was a Pocket 4.6K EF. Shooting BRAW up to 60 FPS in 4.6K on a Pocket 4.6K would be fantastic as a little B-Camera and a camera to use in situations where there UMPG2 isn't as feasible.


Dude, serious question...are you EVER happy/satisfied??

Well, yes I am very happy and very satisfied with the G2 right now. I was spitballing a pretty cool idea for how to get BRAW to original UM4.6K users. They pay for a 4.6K Pocket camera. No dual ISO just the same sensor we're used to in the Pocket size. Also we then get 15-stops of DR in the Pocket.

I'm very much in the camp of being happy that I upgraded however. I got a great 3.5-years out of the URSA Mini 4.6K. And, yet I'm still getting life out of it as a B-Camera to the G2 right now. Even though it has CS3 in ProRes and no BRAW.
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Re: Blackmagic RAW on the Ursa Mini 4.6k?

PostWed Aug 21, 2019 12:41 am

Thought I’d share this great Instagram post from the @ursamini account:
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What do you guys think? BRAW for the UM4.6K with the unicorns?


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Re: Blackmagic RAW on the Ursa Mini 4.6k?

PostSat Sep 14, 2019 4:41 am

Why not keep it alive?! Now that the URSA Broadcast has got BRAW, why can't the Original URSA Mini 4.6K? I think it's possible. The demand is there.

Now I do have the G2, so why do I keep up with asking... well, because I feel for those who haven't upgraded camera systems. Also, I still have my UM4.6K and would like to use it with the G2 using BRAW. BRAW is so much better than ProRes.

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Re: Blackmagic RAW on the Ursa Mini 4.6k?

PostSat Sep 14, 2019 7:44 am

The Ursa mini 4.6k is discontinued! And of course doesnt feature on BM current camera list. The broadcast is on its current camera list and IS supported. The Ursa mini isn't supported. Simple. Even us begging won't help sadly.

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Re: Blackmagic RAW on the Ursa Mini 4.6k?

PostSat Sep 14, 2019 9:04 am

I think your answer is in the fact that BMD has prioritised other manufacturers' cameras over their own 4.6K. To me that says you are never getting it. They should lance the boil and say once and for all it can't happen. However my thanks do go out to BMD for the huge update to the URSA Broadcast.
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Re: Blackmagic RAW on the Ursa Mini 4.6k?

PostSat Sep 14, 2019 10:26 am

But with the new Video Assist, could it be that we could record BRAW with it on the 4.6k ?
If it's a hardware limitation of the camera, I don't see why the newer VA couldn't allow that.
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Re: Blackmagic RAW on the Ursa Mini 4.6k?

PostSat Sep 14, 2019 2:29 pm

[quote="Valentin Remy"]But with the new Video Assist, could it be that we could record BRAW with it on the 4.6k ?
If it's a hardware limitation of the camera, I don't see why the newer VA couldn't allow that.[/qu

The BMD video assist, atomos, convergent design all offer raw support but only to cameras that have raw output. Up to recently, this was only from SDI now it's available through HDMI.

Maybe BMD might offer a firmware update so that the camera can output SDI raw but that I think it would depend on the sensor. Sony did that with the fs700 and made it capable od sdi raw.


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Re: Blackmagic RAW on the Ursa Mini 4.6k?

PostSat Sep 14, 2019 3:35 pm

The ursa mini can carry raw on the sdi- that’s how the ssd recorder works.

Whether it would work with the va no idea.

I think bm probably are working on braw for the 4.6 somewhere but it’s not going to be a priority

But I wouldn’t hold my breath, and given that braw wasn’t announced till 3 years after the camera debuted it would be a very generous thing to do
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Re: Blackmagic RAW on the Ursa Mini 4.6k?

PostSat Sep 14, 2019 6:45 pm

It will be interesting to see if BRaw on the new VAs could support this output on the UM 4.6.
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Re: Blackmagic RAW on the Ursa Mini 4.6k?

PostSat Sep 14, 2019 10:38 pm

Well tonight I’m shooting a fashion show with both cameras. BRAW on the G2 and UHD ProRes on the UM4.6K. So it would be nice if it can happen… but I’m not expecting it to happen anymore. Just asking just in case.


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Re: Blackmagic RAW on the Ursa Mini 4.6k?

PostSat Sep 14, 2019 10:41 pm

timbutt2 wrote:Well tonight I’m shooting a fashion show with both cameras. BRAW on the G2 and UHD ProRes on the UM4.6K. So it would be nice if it can happen… but I’m not expecting it to happen anymore. Just asking just in case.


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To me, more concerning than the codec is the color science...
How’s been matching both cameras for you?


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PostSat Sep 14, 2019 11:59 pm

Francisco Rodriguez wrote:To me, more concerning than the codec is the color science...
How’s been matching both cameras for you?
I've shot multicam with Ursa Mini 4.6K, UMPG1 and UMP G2 — all matched just fine, no problem. All I had to do was tweak the color temp and tint for each camera.
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Re: Blackmagic RAW on the Ursa Mini 4.6k?

PostSun Sep 15, 2019 12:56 pm

Francisco Rodriguez wrote:To me, more concerning than the codec is the color science...
How’s been matching both cameras for you?


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For the most part I can match the cameras through color grading. I’ve already profiles a PowerGrade I can use for when both are Log. With CinemaDNG I just have to put it in Color Science 4. Still I would love if Blackmagic could just give it CA4 natively.

The G2 (in 60 fps for slow-motion) was on the main runway for the fashion show and the UM4.6K was back stage for B-Roll/BTS. So that helps make it easier to match color science. With the G2 I had it at 800 ISO and have already checked changing to 1600 in RAW Tab in Resolve. So it looks great and the slow-motion was the best choice.

The conferences I’ve used both on are HD ProRes Proxy with G2 set to Extended Video and the UM4.6K set to video. I hand that footage off and haven’t heard any complaints yet. So that means they match fine in that situation.

Still if I do a short or feature I would want both on BRAW. BRAW is definitely better than CinemaDNG in my book. I’m loving it.


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Re: Blackmagic RAW on the Ursa Mini 4.6k?

PostSun Sep 15, 2019 1:12 pm

timbutt2 wrote:
Francisco Rodriguez wrote:To me, more concerning than the codec is the color science...
How’s been matching both cameras for you?


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For the most part I can match the cameras through color grading. I’ve already profiles a PowerGrade I can use for when both are Log. With CinemaDNG I just have to put it in Color Science 4. Still I would love if Blackmagic could just give it CA4 natively.

The G2 (in 60 fps for slow-motion) was on the main runway for the fashion show and the UM4.6K was back stage for B-Roll/BTS. So that helps make it easier to match color science. With the G2 I had it at 800 ISO and have already checked changing to 1600 in RAW Tab in Resolve. So it looks great and the slow-motion was the best choice.

The conferences I’ve used both on are HD ProRes Proxy with G2 set to Extended Video and the UM4.6K set to video. I hand that footage off and haven’t heard any complaints yet. So that means they match fine in that situation.

Still if I do a short or feature I would want both on BRAW. BRAW is definitely better than CinemaDNG in my book. I’m loving it.


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Agreed on Braw vs CDNG... Braw is great.
I’d like to also get Color Science 4 natively...
Anyway, glad is working for you guys.

I’m selling my 4.6k. Served me well.


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Re: Blackmagic RAW on the Ursa Mini 4.6k?

PostSun Sep 15, 2019 1:15 pm

I though about purchase the new pocket but I said: wait!... I think my UM4.6K still better than P6K, isn't?
Sadly, seems BM haven't the intention to update one of his three better cameras so, time to say good bye to Blackmagic cameras.
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Re: Blackmagic RAW on the Ursa Mini 4.6k?

PostSun Sep 15, 2019 5:05 pm

Roberto de la Torre wrote:I though about purchase the new pocket but I said: wait!... I think my UM4.6K still better than P6K, isn't?
Sadly, seems BM haven't the intention to update one of his three better cameras so, time to say good bye to Blackmagic cameras.



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Re: Blackmagic RAW on the Ursa Mini 4.6k?

PostSun Sep 15, 2019 6:28 pm

Roberto de la Torre wrote:I though about purchase the new pocket but I said: wait!... I think my UM4.6K still better than P6K, isn't?
Sadly, seems BM haven't the intention to update one of his three better cameras so, time to say good bye to Blackmagic cameras.


Oh, radical...

It’ll be BMPCC 4k for me afterwards.


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Re: Blackmagic RAW on the Ursa Mini 4.6k?

PostSun Sep 15, 2019 7:39 pm

timbutt2 wrote:Now that the URSA Broadcast has got BRAW, why can't the Original URSA Mini 4.6K? I think it's possible. The demand is there.


Ursa mini broadcast has got BRAW? I don't see anywhere this confirmation. Where to look?
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