BMPCC 4K power conector socket type

The place for questions about shooting with Blackmagic Cameras.
  • Author
  • Message
Offline

domisol

  • Posts: 16
  • Joined: Sat Nov 10, 2012 3:26 am

BMPCC 4K power conector socket type

PostMon Oct 08, 2018 11:27 pm

Hi

Is the BMPCC 4K power conector socket a proprietary one, or is it of a known type that can be bought apart in a shop like mouser, so that we can build our own power cable?
BM sells a set of 3 cables, but you have to buy the complete set, they cost USD 55, and are currently not available at least at B&H.

Jean-David
--
Jean-David Collard
Offline

Denny Smith

  • Posts: 9124
  • Joined: Thu Aug 01, 2013 4:19 pm
  • Location: USA, Northern Calif.

Re: BMPCC 4K power conector socket type

PostTue Oct 09, 2018 12:37 am

The cable kit is available, just special order one set. It is an off the shelf connector, there are some other osts here on the type.
Cheers
Denny Smith
SHA Productions
Offline

domisol

  • Posts: 16
  • Joined: Sat Nov 10, 2012 3:26 am

Re: BMPCC 4K power conector socket type

PostTue Oct 09, 2018 12:48 am

Quoting B&H "Also, item BLCCPOC4KDC is only expected in early November" that's what B&H just told me.

Any precise reference for the conector? Couldn't find any...

Thanks :-)
--
Jean-David Collard
Offline

John Morris

  • Posts: 51
  • Joined: Mon Jul 31, 2017 12:44 am

Re: BMPCC 4K power conector socket type

PostTue Oct 09, 2018 2:47 am

I haven't got my camera yet, so I can't do measurements to check, but I've read (viewtopic.php?f=2&t=80084) that its a Weipu SF610/s2. Looks to be very hard to get. What I am considering is cutting off a section of the cable and connector that comes with the mains power adapter and making it into an adapter cable to cheaper, easy to get connectors.
NVIDIA 750Ti 2GB
NVIDIA driver version 390.77
DeckLink Mini Monitor 4K
32G system memory
Resolve 15.1.0.025 1 GPU, free version
Linux Mint 18.3
Offline
User avatar

rick.lang

  • Posts: 9010
  • Joined: Wed Aug 22, 2012 5:41 pm
  • Location: Victoria BC Canada

Re: BMPCC 4K power conector socket type

PostTue Oct 09, 2018 5:01 am

What I find is the SF610/P 2-pin connector:
http://weipuconnector.com/pro_show_188.htm


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Rick Lang
Offline

Lesha_kvaz

  • Posts: 4
  • Joined: Tue Oct 09, 2018 9:53 am
  • Location: Ukraine
  • Real Name: Aleksey Kuzmenko

Re: BMPCC 4K power conector socket type

PostTue Oct 09, 2018 9:59 am

rick.lang wrote:What I find is the SF610/P 2-pin connector:



Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

"P" is for MALE. Female is SF610/s2.
But to be sure I will be good to se actual plug that goes with camera
Online
User avatar

Robert Niessner

  • Posts: 1619
  • Joined: Thu Feb 21, 2013 9:51 am
  • Location: Graz, Austria

Re: BMPCC 4K power conector socket type

PostTue Oct 09, 2018 12:05 pm

On my power supply it says on the connector:
WEIPU SF6 Series

I have measured it:
Outer shell: 9.2 mm diameter / wall strength 0.5 mm / largest diameter 9.8 mm
Inner shell: 5.6 mm diameter
Length: 25.9 mm +- 0.2
Robert Niessner
LAUFBILDkommission
Graz / Austria
---------------------------------------------------------------------
Blackmagic Camera Blog (German):
http://laufbildkommission.wordpress.com

Read the blog in English via Google Translate:
http://tinyurl.com/pjf6a3m
Offline

mwalker1000

  • Posts: 12
  • Joined: Sun Aug 19, 2018 1:57 am
  • Real Name: Mike Walker

Re: BMPCC 4K power conector socket type

PostFri Oct 12, 2018 9:45 pm

John Morris wrote:I haven't got my camera yet, so I can't do measurements to check, but I've read (viewtopic.php?f=2&t=80084) that its a Weipu SF610/s2. Looks to be very hard to get. What I am considering is cutting off a section of the cable and connector that comes with the mains power adapter and making it into an adapter cable to cheaper, easy to get connectors.


I think that's an excellent idea. I've searched the entire interwebs and can't find that connector for sale anywhere. I was thinking of using the seemingly standard barrel connector with the screw lock since my monitor uses the same power connector. Any other ideas as to better easy to get connectors? What were you planning on using?
Offline

jerrygladh

  • Posts: 53
  • Joined: Mon Oct 12, 2015 11:54 am

Re: BMPCC 4K power conector socket type

PostSat Oct 13, 2018 2:33 pm

Plan to use my old Production 4k Switronix battery mounted on top of the Pocket 4k.
Is there any adapters (no cable) available for this?

Jerry
Attachments
images.jpg
images.jpg (6.37 KiB) Viewed 600 times
Online
User avatar

joe12south

  • Posts: 93
  • Joined: Tue Jan 16, 2018 4:14 pm
  • Real Name: Joseph Moore

Re: BMPCC 4K power conector socket type

PostSat Oct 13, 2018 3:30 pm

Until this connector becomes easier to procure, perhaps it is easier to use a very easy to find LP dummy battery? I know it's not ideal, but it's better than swapping internal batteries every 30-40 minutes.
Offline

Lesha_kvaz

  • Posts: 4
  • Joined: Tue Oct 09, 2018 9:53 am
  • Location: Ukraine
  • Real Name: Aleksey Kuzmenko

Re: BMPCC 4K power conector socket type

PostSat Oct 13, 2018 5:16 pm

Dummy battery is easy way but not very safe. If power regulator fail it will burn camera.
V-mount a bit safer because DC port can receive 12 то 20Volts usualy, and Vmount battery can output only 16.8V max. So Weipu6 to D-tap is good choice )
Offline
User avatar

rick.lang

  • Posts: 9010
  • Joined: Wed Aug 22, 2012 5:41 pm
  • Location: Victoria BC Canada

BMPCC 4K power conector socket type

PostSat Oct 13, 2018 9:39 pm

IndiProCo.com has what you’re looking for if you go the dummy LP-E6 route. I posted links but easy to find on their website. We’re almost forced to go with the dummy LP-E6 because I don’t feel like spending over $500-$600 on a few of these small batteries plus charger. I’d rather spend $500-$600 on two of the larger Sony NP-F970 and a sled and charger.

And all this bother because I can’t get the cable to connect my Cinegears to the 2-pin power connector until sometime in November allegedly. I know, send the bill to BMD!

Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Rick Lang
Offline

michaeldhead

  • Posts: 242
  • Joined: Sat Mar 25, 2017 5:41 pm

Re: BMPCC 4K power conector socket type

PostSun Oct 14, 2018 12:47 am

jerrygladh wrote:Plan to use my old Production 4k Switronix battery mounted on top of the Pocket 4k.
Is there any adapters (no cable) available for this?

Jerry


I have those same switronix batteries. I found Indipro has a v-mount plate with 12v out. I’m looking at that with the Cable pack from BMD - seems like a good pairing, but if anyone has experience with it I’m all ears.

https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/ ... ystem.html
Michael D Head
www.michaeldhead.com
writer/director/DP
Offline

jerrygladh

  • Posts: 53
  • Joined: Mon Oct 12, 2015 11:54 am

Re: BMPCC 4K power conector socket type

PostSun Oct 14, 2018 9:10 am

michaeldhead wrote:
jerrygladh wrote:Plan to use my old Production 4k Switronix battery mounted on top of the Pocket 4k.
Is there any adapters (no cable) available for this?

Jerry


I have those same switronix batteries. I found Indipro has a v-mount plate with 12v out. I’m looking at that with the Cable pack from BMD - seems like a good pairing, but if anyone has experience with it I’m all ears.

https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/ ... ystem.html


Well, going to use the camera a lot on my Ronin S so LP E-6 dummy will be hard. The Switronix is perfect with the short cable.Just need a small 2.5mm barrel to 2-pin to get it going.
Offline
User avatar

rick.lang

  • Posts: 9010
  • Joined: Wed Aug 22, 2012 5:41 pm
  • Location: Victoria BC Canada

Re: BMPCC 4K power conector socket type

PostSun Oct 14, 2018 3:07 pm

Jerry, that might be a custom built connection from Wooden Camera or DIY and the barrel connector may not be very secure.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Rick Lang
Offline

jerrygladh

  • Posts: 53
  • Joined: Mon Oct 12, 2015 11:54 am

Re: BMPCC 4K power conector socket type

PostSun Oct 14, 2018 5:56 pm

rick.lang wrote:Jerry, that might be a custom built connection from Wooden Camera or DIY and the barrel connector may not be very secure.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk


I also have a D-tap on that Switronix pack so I hope to find some shorter solution for power.

Thx
Offline

petegoddard

  • Posts: 20
  • Joined: Sat Feb 24, 2018 8:44 pm
  • Real Name: Peter Goddard

Re: BMPCC 4K power conector socket type

PostSun Oct 14, 2018 7:58 pm

I also have that Switronix battery pack, with a DC cable. I bought a dummy battery with a DC coupler on, but have been told that if I use it, it may damage the camera. The battery compartment can only take a voltage of around 8v. The Switronix puts out over 14v. It should be fine to run through the 12v power connection on the camera, but not through a dummy battery into the battery compartment.
Offline
User avatar

rick.lang

  • Posts: 9010
  • Joined: Wed Aug 22, 2012 5:41 pm
  • Location: Victoria BC Canada

Re: BMPCC 4K power conector socket type

PostSun Oct 14, 2018 9:41 pm

Good point, Pete. There is a IndiPro battery sled that includes a dummy LP-E6 at 7.2VDC. The sled with dual Nikon NP-F970 batteries and regulated 12VDC is just intended for the 12V 2-pin connector.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Rick Lang
Online
User avatar

joe12south

  • Posts: 93
  • Joined: Tue Jan 16, 2018 4:14 pm
  • Real Name: Joseph Moore

Re: BMPCC 4K power conector socket type

PostSun Oct 14, 2018 9:54 pm

https://www.woodencamera.com/d-tap-to-b ... 264100.htm

Stupid expensive, but that's par for the course with Wooden.
Offline
User avatar

rick.lang

  • Posts: 9010
  • Joined: Wed Aug 22, 2012 5:41 pm
  • Location: Victoria BC Canada

Re: BMPCC 4K power conector socket type

PostMon Oct 15, 2018 4:27 am

Thanks, Joe. “If s the early bird that gets the worm!” So more power to Wooden Camera who will hand build and verify every unit. If I knew my camera was coming I’m not going to complain about spending $24 more on a cable that means I don’t have to spend hundreds more on small batteries as my brick will work. So the cable is justified.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Rick Lang
Offline

Denny Smith

  • Posts: 9124
  • Joined: Thu Aug 01, 2013 4:19 pm
  • Location: USA, Northern Calif.

Re: BMPCC 4K power conector socket type

PostMon Oct 15, 2018 4:56 am

Good point Rick, I had Wooden Camera build a cable for my BM EVF Wooden Camera mod to the Ursa Broadcast 4-pin XLR. The cable was well made and works great. Custom cables is in the ball park.
Cheers
Denny Smith
SHA Productions
Offline

John Morris

  • Posts: 51
  • Joined: Mon Jul 31, 2017 12:44 am

Re: BMPCC 4K power conector socket type

PostMon Oct 15, 2018 9:31 am

mwalker1000 wrote:
John Morris wrote:I haven't got my camera yet, so I can't do measurements to check, but I've read (viewtopic.php?f=2&t=80084) that its a Weipu SF610/s2. Looks to be very hard to get. What I am considering is cutting off a section of the cable and connector that comes with the mains power adapter and making it into an adapter cable to cheaper, easy to get connectors.


I think that's an excellent idea. I've searched the entire interwebs and can't find that connector for sale anywhere. I was thinking of using the seemingly standard barrel connector with the screw lock since my monitor uses the same power connector. Any other ideas as to better easy to get connectors? What were you planning on using?

Initially I'll just use 2.5mm DC barrel connectors, simply because I already have some. I can just tape the plug and socket together if I need to ensure they don't come unplugged.
I got the notification that my camera has been posted, so hopefully I'll have it later this week :-)
NVIDIA 750Ti 2GB
NVIDIA driver version 390.77
DeckLink Mini Monitor 4K
32G system memory
Resolve 15.1.0.025 1 GPU, free version
Linux Mint 18.3
Offline

Denny Smith

  • Posts: 9124
  • Joined: Thu Aug 01, 2013 4:19 pm
  • Location: USA, Northern Calif.

Re: BMPCC 4K power conector socket type

PostMon Oct 15, 2018 4:10 pm

John, I do not think thst is going to work? If you short the power connectors, you could loose the csmera’s DC/DC power supply. I would wait for the correct connector.
Cheers
Denny Smith
SHA Productions
Offline
User avatar

Thomas Schumacher

  • Posts: 679
  • Joined: Tue Nov 06, 2012 11:14 pm
  • Location: Germany

Re: BMPCC 4K power conector socket type

PostSun Oct 21, 2018 8:04 pm

Gentlemen,

would you mind giving me some advice, plz. The tech specs didn't reveal if I could use an external power solution (correct plug assumed) that delivers

An output voltage and amperage of 14.8VOC and 6.6 Ah
and operates between 12 and 16.8 VOC

as I still have the Bescor belt-battery for my BMCC (https://www.amazon.com/Bescor-Extended- ... B00BMHRG8O)

Thank you!
http://www.gernemehrfilm.de/
Offline
User avatar

rick.lang

  • Posts: 9010
  • Joined: Wed Aug 22, 2012 5:41 pm
  • Location: Victoria BC Canada

Re: BMPCC 4K power conector socket type

PostSun Oct 21, 2018 8:41 pm

Thomas, the 2-pin power input will operate from 12-20VDC so no problem there. The D-tap to 2-pin cable is available from Wooden Camera now. It’s cheaper from BMD and the website says “Buy Now” but some uncertainty if it is shipping in October. The Ah is not an issue. The only concern could be the maximum ampere draw that the battery supports.

If you are shooting with a minimal configuration the camera is going to run at 25 watts, but if you add things like a phantom powered mic and an external monitor/recorder, then the draw will increase accordingly. Perhaps if you know the amp rating, you’ll be safe with a draw of 35-40 watts. If the battery amp rating is 3 amps, you’ll be more than fine, if it’s 1.5 amps, it may be inadequate.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Rick Lang
Offline
User avatar

Thomas Schumacher

  • Posts: 679
  • Joined: Tue Nov 06, 2012 11:14 pm
  • Location: Germany

Re: BMPCC 4K power conector socket type

PostSun Oct 21, 2018 9:52 pm

Thanks a lot, Rick!

rick.lang wrote: Perhaps if you know the amp rating, you’ll be safe with a draw of 35-40 watts. If the battery amp rating is 3 amps, you’ll be more than fine, if it’s 1.5 amps, it may be inadequate.


I couldn't find any info on that, but could there anything happen to that beauty (I really like how the P4K looks, I'm even hesitating to put a cage on it :) ) besides not being delivered enough power?
http://www.gernemehrfilm.de/
Offline
User avatar

rick.lang

  • Posts: 9010
  • Joined: Wed Aug 22, 2012 5:41 pm
  • Location: Victoria BC Canada

BMPCC 4K power conector socket type

PostSun Oct 21, 2018 10:27 pm

No harm if your voltage is 12-20VDC. The only problem which would not harm the camera is if the camera and accessories required 35 watts and your battery could only supply 30 watts. In that situation, I would think the camera would just not function. After you unplugged a couple of accessories, the camera would function normally.

Depending upon the battery, I’d be more concerned about that the health of the battery trying to push too much power. Hopefully it can’t happen. That’s why I liked that Mophie Powerstation 3XL that I posted recently. It can power a 45 watt device, which is likely more than a 3 amp draw. The Powerstation XXL can power 30 watts and that is more than enough for the bare bones camera.

Edit
Sorry, the off-the-shelf Mophie has a USB-C connector that would quickly charge the battery when the camera is off. I was referring to a modified Mophie that would add the proper 2-pin connector so you could use it to power the camera. Somebody will do it.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Rick Lang
Offline
User avatar

Thomas Schumacher

  • Posts: 679
  • Joined: Tue Nov 06, 2012 11:14 pm
  • Location: Germany

Re: BMPCC 4K power conector socket type

PostMon Oct 22, 2018 6:06 am

Thanks again, Rick.

Considering the batteries's reviews and the times I sparely used it I guess it should be fine. Maybe there
arises some small affordable power-solution before the BM-cables are actually being sold. Or I manage to get alog with my LP-E6 batteries and my powerbank to charge them inbetween.
http://www.gernemehrfilm.de/
Offline
User avatar

rick.lang

  • Posts: 9010
  • Joined: Wed Aug 22, 2012 5:41 pm
  • Location: Victoria BC Canada

Re: BMPCC 4K power conector socket type

PostMon Oct 22, 2018 2:09 pm

It may not happen in the very near future, but once the BMPCC4K takes off, you’ll see more options that support power to the special 2-pin licking connector as that’s the best solution.

In the meantime, going from a normal V-lock or AB battery brick with the D-tap to 2-pin from BMD or Wooden Camera will do the job without worrying about changing batteries for a few hours to all day depending upon the battery rating.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Rick Lang

Return to Cinematography

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: Daniel Batinic, Fornez, Jamie LeJeune, joe12south, Robert Niessner and 18 guests