Pocket Cinema Camera 4k Image App

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Re: Pocket Cinema Camera 4k Image App

PostThu Dec 13, 2018 4:14 pm

Thanks for help!
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Re: Pocket Cinema Camera 4k Image App

PostSun Dec 16, 2018 9:05 pm

I got a used CFast card and just pushed a new (public) beta version that finally supports both storage slots.
It also supports not-yet-known cameras better
and may possibly fix the 1 (one) smartwatch-related crash I got reports via Google Play Store.

https://marcuswolschon.blogspot.com/201 ... ocket.html

Update: Displaying and changing storage cards is not implemented and part of the latest relase-version.

If someone could try the app with an URSA Broadcast, that would be great.
It should ask when detecting an unknown camera and the email program should open
with a pre-typed email to me containing all the data I need.
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Re: Pocket Cinema Camera 4k Image App

PostTue Dec 18, 2018 7:11 pm

Marcus
when I choose codec and other multi choice menus I don't get the "set" link at the bottom. using samsung SNT820 with android 8.0.0
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Re: Pocket Cinema Camera 4k Image App

PostTue Dec 18, 2018 7:21 pm

MarcusWolschon wrote:If someone could try the app with an URSA Broadcast, that would be great.

No information from the camera displayed in the app.

Pressing record on Tablet goes red, but camera does not go into record.
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Re: Pocket Cinema Camera 4k Image App

PostTue Dec 18, 2018 8:56 pm

David Hutchinson wrote:Marcus
when I choose codec and other multi choice menus I don't get the "set" link at the bottom. using samsung SNT820 with android 8.0.0


Strange. That should not happen.
I'll try to set up an emulator for Android 8.0 and manipulate a copy of the app, to get the dialog.
(No Bluetooth in an emulator.)

Update: This may take a while longer. There seems to be known issue in Android Build Tools 28.0.0. :(

David Hutchinson wrote:
MarcusWolschon wrote:If someone could try the app with an URSA Broadcast, that would be great.

No information from the camera displayed in the app.

Pressing record on Tablet goes red, but camera does not go into record.


Damn.
What's the camera firmware version?

There was no dialog "Unknown camera model.Would you like to tell us about it?" Yes/No ?
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Re: Pocket Cinema Camera 4k Image App

PostTue Dec 18, 2018 10:59 pm

MarcusWolschon wrote:Damn.
What's the camera firmware version?

There was no dialog "Unknown camera model.Would you like to tell us about it?" Yes/No ?


Using latest firmware for Broadcast 5.1

Brought up all codex options for Mini Pro, not broadcast.

and correct - no dialog re camera type.
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Re: Pocket Cinema Camera 4k Image App

PostTue Dec 18, 2018 11:49 pm

David Hutchinson wrote:
MarcusWolschon wrote:Damn.
What's the camera firmware version?

There was no dialog "Unknown camera model.Would you like to tell us about it?" Yes/No ?


Using latest firmware for Broadcast 5.1

Brought up all codex options for Mini Pro, not broadcast.

and correct - no dialog re camera type.


Thanks.

Chooser Dialog with no buttons:
It could be that they changed the default colors and the buttons are merely white on white in this Android version.
If so, then I just fixed it in the public beta version 1.2.15 of the app.


Camera Dialog:
If it doesn't come up, that would mean the URSA Broadcast identifies as an URSA Mini Pro or a BMPC4K or not at all via Bluetooth.
Bugger!

Record:
My BMPC4K uses Firmware 5.2 .
I would guess that the UMP that was tried and works fine would have had Firmware 6.0.
I did just fix a very minor thing with the record-command
(10.1 "media transport mode" was missing a 0-padding for a 32bit boundary at the end)
that was always ignored by my BMPC4K and by the UMP. Maybe firmware 5.1 was more strict here.
I'm publishing the fix as a public Beta version"1.2.15" of the app.

It's well past midnight, I'm running out of caffeine and I'll be away for the holidays.
I don't think this will be solved easily without getting my hands on an URSA Broadcast.
Maybe something comes up during the 35C3 in Leipzig in-between the holidays. Probably not.

Can I contact you via PM, when I have come up with something we can try?
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Re: Pocket Cinema Camera 4k Image App

PostWed Dec 19, 2018 11:09 am

MarcusWolschon wrote:
Chooser Dialog with no buttons:
It could be that they changed the default colors and the buttons are merely white on white in this Android version.
If so, then I just fixed it in the public beta version 1.2.15 of the app.

I have confirmed it's a white on white problem, the set and cancel are there but cannot be seen. How do I update to 1.2.15?

MarcusWolschon wrote:Can I contact you via PM, when I have come up with something we can try?

Sure, no problem
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Re: Pocket Cinema Camera 4k Image App

PostWed Dec 19, 2018 7:25 pm

David Hutchinson wrote: How do I update to 1.2.15?


At
https://play.google.com/apps/testing/bi ... cc4krecord
you can choose to also get Beta-versions instead of just the release-versions.



PS:
I Finally figured out what I did wrong in decoding the fixed-decimal f-stop numbers sent by the camera.
Aperture control is coming after the holidays.
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Re: Pocket Cinema Camera 4k Image App

PostTue Dec 25, 2018 7:58 pm

Marcus

Maybe I'm a little stupid, but how can I restore the focus points?)
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Re: Pocket Cinema Camera 4k Image App

PostWed Dec 26, 2018 7:31 pm

jinndos wrote:Marcus

Maybe I'm a little stupid, but how can I restore the focus points?)


By starting the recording.
Then the buttons change from save to restore.
Not the most intuitive way but the best I could come up with in the limited screen real estate at that point.
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Re: Pocket Cinema Camera 4k Image App

PostThu Dec 27, 2018 2:44 am

Wow, so simple)

Yes, it is not very intuitive). Please consider making it more accessible.
Since it is normal to spend from 20 to 80% for a rehearsal without recording (this is not about the cards memory, but about managing media), it would be great to do it on separate screen, or may be on the main screen.

Thanks!
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Re: Pocket Cinema Camera 4k Image App

PostFri Dec 28, 2018 9:51 am

Blog: http://marcuswolschon.blogspot.com/2018 ... ocket.html
Play Store: https://play.google.com/store/apps/deta ... cc4krecord
Public Beta access: https://play.google.com/apps/testing/bi ... cc4krecord

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Version 1.2.19 of my Android app is published now.
Aperture and Gain can now be controlled and the UI has been cleaned up a lot (There will be more cleanup later. Especially on the Wireless-Focus screen.).
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Re: Pocket Cinema Camera 4k Image App

PostWed Mar 06, 2019 9:49 am

With firmware 6.2 I'll make the Blackmagic Raw that already works for the URSA Mini Pro selectable for the Pocket 4K.
However there is no way to detect if the camera has the firmware update and thus supports BM-Raw and no longer supports Cinema-DNG.

When making BM-Raw selectable on both cameras, should I keep Cinema-DNG in there or remove it or add a warning?
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Re: Pocket Cinema Camera 4k Image App

PostThu Mar 07, 2019 6:42 pm

There is a new release, allowing to select Blackmagic Raw for the BMPCC4K too (and not just for the URSA Mini Pro).


There is a new, public BETA version with fixed for icon-color and a new, experimental screen for programmable focus transitions with duration, soft start and a soft ease-out.
https://play.google.com/apps/testing/bi ... cc4krecord
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Re: Pocket Cinema Camera 4k Image App

PostSun Mar 10, 2019 4:51 pm

Has anyone found an economical WiFi Adapter setup for external monitoring?
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Re: Pocket Cinema Camera 4k Image App

PostSun Mar 10, 2019 5:25 pm

Lyn Collins wrote:Has anyone found an economical WiFi Adapter setup for external monitoring?


That would be a different form topic.
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Re: Pocket Cinema Camera 4k Image App

PostSat Mar 16, 2019 8:29 am

Version 1.2.29 released.
The programmable focus transisions with duration and east in/out are not part of the stable release (formerly only part of the public beta version),
permissions are prepared for the new demands of Android 'Q' and the icon colors in the menu on Android 8.1 are fixed.

I'm preparing a new screen to store, recall and manage settings in named presets.
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Re: Pocket Cinema Camera 4k Image App

PostSat Mar 16, 2019 12:22 pm

Lyn Collins wrote:Has anyone found an economical WiFi Adapter setup for external monitoring?



We could only hope he could support it, but with BM firmware support (at least for USB media classes etc) it would be unlikely.
Often people deceive themselves so much they do not understand, even when the truth is explained to them.
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Re: Pocket Cinema Camera 4k Image App

PostSat May 18, 2019 5:16 am

I haven't had the time to do much in a while but I'm uploading a new public beta that has the ability to store and recall camera settings as named profiles.
(Internet in this train is just really bad, so it may take a hour)

Looks like there are quite some changes in the last beta version that I simply forgot to release as a stable version. My camera is currently away on a film set. So I'll do the proper tests to release this new beta version as stable next week.

https://play.google.com/apps/testing/bi ... cc4krecord
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Re: Pocket Cinema Camera 4k Image App

PostSat Jun 01, 2019 6:58 am

https://marcuswolschon.blogspot.com/201 ... ocket.html
https://play.google.com/store/apps/deta ... cc4krecord

Version 1.2.33 released. I improved the new "presets" feature if the BETA some more before releasing this as stable.
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Re: Pocket Cinema Camera 4k Image App

PostThu Jun 27, 2019 9:22 am

Did anyone manage to set the "DCI 4K" resolution on a BMPCC4K via Bluetooth?
It's supposed to be possible since firmware 6.3 but doesn't seem to work.

I don't have an URSA Mini Pro, so I could not test it on other cameras yet.
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Re: Pocket Cinema Camera 4k Image App

PostThu Jun 27, 2019 9:56 pm

[quote="MarcusWolschon"]Did anyone manage to set the "DCI 4K" resolution on a BMPCC4K via Bluetooth?
hello,
it works yes. If the shutter is set in ms, no display on the application (displays n / A)
Windows 10 Pro X64 1809 - BMPCC 4k - DaVinci Resolve Studio 16.1 - Decklink Monitor - Nvidia Gtx 1080 417.35
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Re: Pocket Cinema Camera 4k Image App

PostFri Jun 28, 2019 4:57 am

kalinska wrote:
MarcusWolschon wrote:Did anyone manage to set the "DCI 4K" resolution on a BMPCC4K via Bluetooth?
hello,
it works yes. If the shutter is set in ms, no display on the application (displays n / A)


1)
"n/A" in my app means it has not retrieved a broadcast of the value from the camera yet".
It takes a while for all the values to be filled in.
I'm on shutter angle all the time, so if you mean to report a bug where the shutter is not displayed in the app, I can try setting my camera to shutter time and see if then the camera starts broadcasting the shutter values in an incompatible format.
2)
Just to be clear:
What app did you use?
It was a BMPCC4K and not an URSA Mini Pro?
You had the camera on a different resolution and used some app to switch it to DCI 4K via Bluetooth?
Then the camea showed that it was using DCI 4K resolution?
What firmware version does the BMPCC4K have?
I just tried it again with the beta of my app and the "DCI 4K (firmware 6.3)" experimental menu option and the byte values Blackmagic gave me don't work on my BMPCC4K with firmware 6.4 .
The camera only reacts to the values for FullHD and for UHD from the old protocol specification (that doesn't specify anything above UHD).
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Re: Pocket Cinema Camera 4k Image App

PostFri Jun 28, 2019 9:51 am

@MarcusWolschon
device used: bmpcc4k, latest firmware 6.2.1
I confirm, no display of the shutter when it is on "speed shutter", but works when it is on "angle shutter"
The firmware 6.3 and 6.4 only concerns URSA Mini Pro 4.6K G2 and not bmpcc4k
Windows 10 Pro X64 1809 - BMPCC 4k - DaVinci Resolve Studio 16.1 - Decklink Monitor - Nvidia Gtx 1080 417.35
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Re: Pocket Cinema Camera 4k Image App

PostFri Jun 28, 2019 6:32 pm

kalinska wrote:The firmware 6.3 and 6.4 only concerns URSA Mini Pro 4.6K G2 and not bmpcc4k


I know what the changelog says.
But the changelog also doesn't say a word about the Bluetooth changes included in 6.3 for the URSA.
So I already know that the changelog is incomplete and not to be trusted.

So what did you mean with "it works yes."?
The question you answered to is written above at "Thu Jun 27, 2019 10:22 am ".
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Re: Pocket Cinema Camera 4k Image App

PostFri Jul 05, 2019 10:05 pm

kalinska wrote:I confirm, no display of the shutter when it is on "speed shutter", but works when it is on "angle shutter"


Thanks for reporting it.
I fixed that bug in public Beta 1.2.35
https://play.google.com/apps/testing/bi ... cc4krecord

(The same still exists for Gain vs. ISO but past midnight already. So this will have to wait for another time.)

Since the Beta includes support for selecting resolutions >UHD and Blackamagic aparently hasn't released this protocol update to a BMPCC4K firmware yet, I have to wait until that firmware happens to release the Beta as a stable version.
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Re: Pocket Cinema Camera 4k Image App

PostFri Aug 09, 2019 1:43 pm

Hi Marcus,

I have a little feature request: a trigger for stills capture. I could use this well for macro photography.
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Re: Pocket Cinema Camera 4k Image App

PostFri Aug 09, 2019 2:05 pm

Phil999 wrote:Hi Marcus,

I have a little feature request: a trigger for stills capture. I could use this well for macro photography.


I'll look into it.
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Re: Pocket Cinema Camera 4k Image App

PostSat Aug 10, 2019 8:23 pm

I just heard that the API does not list the still shot parameter.

I will try to use a different strategy: doing a timelapse with long interval (10 minutes) and remote trigger that timelapse, and stop it after one frame. This should result in a .braw file with one frame.

Thank you anyway.
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