Adios BlackMagic

Got something to discuss that's not about Blackmagic products? Then check out the Off-Topic forum!
  • Author
  • Message
Offline

producerguy

  • Posts: 317
  • Joined: Tue May 07, 2019 1:20 am
  • Real Name: Robert Lane

Adios BlackMagic

PostSat May 03, 2025 8:06 am

After decades of being solely Mac-based I made the migration back to PC - thankfully. No more Apple window-washing the brain with "our s--- don't stink" nonsense.

And being back on a real configurable platform has allowed me to curiously test an NLE that I previously dimissed, considering it less than pro-grade: Sony Vegas. And I'm so glad I did.

After only 10 minutes of mucking around the interface I decided to dump Resolve completely and purchase a full license for Vegas 365. Here's why:

For years DR has had nothing but instability with the Fairlight block of Resolve. Totally nonsensical issues that just shouldn't exist on a world-class NLE but, the same issues have migrated from version to version with no obvious fix in sight. It's gotten so bad that I had to stop doing any audio editing in Fairlight and use OcenAudio for the heavy lifting and then put the final files back into Resolve for final edit/placement. Vegas has none of those issues; the audio suite is rock-solid stable, fast and comes with a mega-pack of plug-ins and filters that you'd have to pay extra for third-party to get Resolve to have the same capability.

Resolve has been and still is the industry standard for color-correction/finishing. That is in fact, how Resolve came to be in the first place. And the well-deserved assumption has always been that no other software package could replicate the depth or accuracy of that interface. Well, that's hype. Vegas is every bit as capable, accurate and deep with options as Resolve but, MUCH more intuitive and faster. No "nodes" - which I could never get my head around. Kinda like the illogical setup of Final Cut Pro with the magnetic timeline.

Unlike Resolve, Vegas is 100% percent user configurable. Resolve, maybe 20% percent - small things like UI text size!! What a huge difference it makes to actually be able to read the damned menus without straining! And getting rid of the "blackout" interface with no grey or light option... Vegas lets you decide how you want YOUR interface to look and perform.

Vegas has deep codec/format/output options that Resolve just doesn't even offer, especially for the broadcast world. It's as if the best of Avid Media Composer, the OLD version of FCP and the Quantel Edit Box and the NewTek Video Toaster were merged into a very easy-to-understand interface with EVERY possible option available at your fingertips. Brilliant.

And cost? The entire package with BorisFX and a TON of other add-ons are $100 LESS than Studio Resolve.

The only real downside is that for colorists nothing will replace DR simply because of the amazing hardware interface color-panels, of which there's NO replacement. Resolve will most likely always be the defacto standard for the finishing process. BUT Vegas has every tool and accurate rendering of Resolve, just no panels to put your hands on. Not yet anyway.

I have deep respect for Blackmagic; they're super-aggressive with updates, new product releases and of course constant updates to Resolve. But with all that Vegas has clearly surpassed Resolve in every possible area that matters.

And that shocked me, because the last time I saw any part of Vegas was NAB 2015 and back then it was nothing more than a wanna-be contender to Premiere (which has just gotten a major overhaul back then) and even Avid had just made a huge leap in software performance.

But now years later Sony has been hard at work developing the Vegas platform into a massive, mult-talented and rock-stable platform. I'd put it up against ANY current NLE with confidence it would surpass all else.

So, this is my exit from Blackmagic. My last post here. It's been a fun journey and I definitely made money using Resolve, but the time has come to move over to the new king of the hill.

Cheers to all and best wishes if you continue with the DR platform.
Offline
User avatar

roger.magnusson

  • Posts: 3861
  • Joined: Wed Sep 23, 2015 4:58 pm

Re: Adios BlackMagic

PostMon May 05, 2025 4:30 pm

When it comes to pure editing, I still think Vegas is among the best/fastest if you're an editor that mainly navigates the UI with a mouse.

Sonic Foundry (the original company) were really great at creative software for Windows that didn't use old archaic paradigms.

Note, it hasn't been "Sony" Vegas in the last nine years as Sony sold it in 2016.
Offline

Ellory Yu

  • Posts: 4643
  • Joined: Wed Jul 30, 2014 5:25 pm

Re: Adios BlackMagic

PostMon May 05, 2025 4:57 pm

roger.magnusson wrote:
Note, it hasn't been "Sony" Vegas in the last nine years as Sony sold it in 2016.

Yep. It’s now Magix Vegas Pro Suite.
URSA Mini Pro 4.6K G2, BM Pocket Cinema Camera 6K. iMac Pro 27” 5K Retina, 64gb, 1Tb SSD, 12Tb M.2 NVMe TB4 DAS, 36Tb HDD DAS, Vega 56 8gb GPU/ BM Vega 56 8gb eGPU, MacOS Sequoia, Resolve 19.1.1 Studio. BM Panel & Speed Editor. Dual Display setup.
Offline
User avatar

Mark Weiss

  • Posts: 135
  • Joined: Tue Mar 10, 2015 1:17 am
  • Location: Northeast USA

Re: Adios BlackMagic

PostWed May 07, 2025 4:06 am

I still use Vegas 4 on a Sony VIAO laptop to record from my MOTU 896 multiple channels in concert venues for audio. Why Vegas? Because it writes all 8 audio tracks to separate final files. Other audio editing software I've tried streams to a composite temp file and in order to close the session, one must wait for it to parse that temp file into the 8 tracks. That took 45 minutes. Precious time I don't have when the union crew wants to go home and I've finished packing all the cameras, cables, tripods, etc.
I've never felt the need to change or upgrade any of it.
Offline

SkierEvans

  • Posts: 1264
  • Joined: Wed Jan 24, 2018 9:59 pm
  • Location: Ottawa, Ontario
  • Real Name: Ron Evans

Re: Adios BlackMagic

PostWed May 07, 2025 12:34 pm

As you can see from my signature I have Vegas 18 as well as EDIUS. They all have their strengths. Moved to Resolve from EDIUS because my PC could not manage my GH5, GH5S and GH6 files in 4K 60P Vlog multicam that Resolve could. Though eventually moved to Studio Max for better performance once I moved to Resolve. Took me a while to learn Resolve multicam as I still think EDIUS is the best implementation. Vegas is OK too ( that also had the multicam issue on my PC at the time ). I still use Vegas for fast single track editing and some audio. I like Resolve since I can move between PC, Mac and iPad where Vegas and EDIUS are PC only. Just use the tool that works.
Threadripper 1920, Gigabyte X399 DESIGNARE EX, 32G RAM, Gigabyte 4070Ti 12G, ASUS PB328Q, IP4K, WIN10 Pro 22H2, Speed Editor

Resolve Studio 19, EDIUS 9WG,EDIUS X WG, Vegas 18

Studio Max M1 24 core GPU, 32G, 1T drive. iPad Pro 12.9` M2 16G, 1T
Offline
User avatar

Joe Shapiro

  • Posts: 4220
  • Joined: Thu Jul 25, 2013 7:23 am
  • Location: Los Angeles CA USA

Re: Adios BlackMagic

PostWed May 07, 2025 4:58 pm

Has anyone tried Vegas in a VM on a Mac?
Director, Editor, Problem Solver. Been cutting indie features for 24 years. FCP editor from version 2 to 7.
Resolve 20.0.3B
MacBook Pro 16 M1 Max 64GB RAM, macOS 14.7.2
MacBook Air 13 M1 8GB RAM, macOS 14.6.1
BMPCC4K 8.6 beta
BMCC6K 8.7 beta

Return to Off-Topic

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 3 guests