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Adios BlackMagic

PostSat May 03, 2025 8:06 am

After decades of being solely Mac-based I made the migration back to PC - thankfully. No more Apple window-washing the brain with "our s--- don't stink" nonsense.

And being back on a real configurable platform has allowed me to curiously test an NLE that I previously dimissed, considering it less than pro-grade: Sony Vegas. And I'm so glad I did.

After only 10 minutes of mucking around the interface I decided to dump Resolve completely and purchase a full license for Vegas 365. Here's why:

For years DR has had nothing but instability with the Fairlight block of Resolve. Totally nonsensical issues that just shouldn't exist on a world-class NLE but, the same issues have migrated from version to version with no obvious fix in sight. It's gotten so bad that I had to stop doing any audio editing in Fairlight and use OcenAudio for the heavy lifting and then put the final files back into Resolve for final edit/placement. Vegas has none of those issues; the audio suite is rock-solid stable, fast and comes with a mega-pack of plug-ins and filters that you'd have to pay extra for third-party to get Resolve to have the same capability.

Resolve has been and still is the industry standard for color-correction/finishing. That is in fact, how Resolve came to be in the first place. And the well-deserved assumption has always been that no other software package could replicate the depth or accuracy of that interface. Well, that's hype. Vegas is every bit as capable, accurate and deep with options as Resolve but, MUCH more intuitive and faster. No "nodes" - which I could never get my head around. Kinda like the illogical setup of Final Cut Pro with the magnetic timeline.

Unlike Resolve, Vegas is 100% percent user configurable. Resolve, maybe 20% percent - small things like UI text size!! What a huge difference it makes to actually be able to read the damned menus without straining! And getting rid of the "blackout" interface with no grey or light option... Vegas lets you decide how you want YOUR interface to look and perform.

Vegas has deep codec/format/output options that Resolve just doesn't even offer, especially for the broadcast world. It's as if the best of Avid Media Composer, the OLD version of FCP and the Quantel Edit Box and the NewTek Video Toaster were merged into a very easy-to-understand interface with EVERY possible option available at your fingertips. Brilliant.

And cost? The entire package with BorisFX and a TON of other add-ons are $100 LESS than Studio Resolve.

The only real downside is that for colorists nothing will replace DR simply because of the amazing hardware interface color-panels, of which there's NO replacement. Resolve will most likely always be the defacto standard for the finishing process. BUT Vegas has every tool and accurate rendering of Resolve, just no panels to put your hands on. Not yet anyway.

I have deep respect for Blackmagic; they're super-aggressive with updates, new product releases and of course constant updates to Resolve. But with all that Vegas has clearly surpassed Resolve in every possible area that matters.

And that shocked me, because the last time I saw any part of Vegas was NAB 2015 and back then it was nothing more than a wanna-be contender to Premiere (which has just gotten a major overhaul back then) and even Avid had just made a huge leap in software performance.

But now years later Sony has been hard at work developing the Vegas platform into a massive, mult-talented and rock-stable platform. I'd put it up against ANY current NLE with confidence it would surpass all else.

So, this is my exit from Blackmagic. My last post here. It's been a fun journey and I definitely made money using Resolve, but the time has come to move over to the new king of the hill.

Cheers to all and best wishes if you continue with the DR platform.
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Re: Adios BlackMagic

PostMon May 05, 2025 4:30 pm

When it comes to pure editing, I still think Vegas is among the best/fastest if you're an editor that mainly navigates the UI with a mouse.

Sonic Foundry (the original company) were really great at creative software for Windows that didn't use old archaic paradigms.

Note, it hasn't been "Sony" Vegas in the last nine years as Sony sold it in 2016.
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Re: Adios BlackMagic

PostMon May 05, 2025 4:57 pm

roger.magnusson wrote:
Note, it hasn't been "Sony" Vegas in the last nine years as Sony sold it in 2016.

Yep. It’s now Magix Vegas Pro Suite.
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Re: Adios BlackMagic

PostWed May 07, 2025 4:06 am

I still use Vegas 4 on a Sony VIAO laptop to record from my MOTU 896 multiple channels in concert venues for audio. Why Vegas? Because it writes all 8 audio tracks to separate final files. Other audio editing software I've tried streams to a composite temp file and in order to close the session, one must wait for it to parse that temp file into the 8 tracks. That took 45 minutes. Precious time I don't have when the union crew wants to go home and I've finished packing all the cameras, cables, tripods, etc.
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Re: Adios BlackMagic

PostWed May 07, 2025 12:34 pm

As you can see from my signature I have Vegas 18 as well as EDIUS. They all have their strengths. Moved to Resolve from EDIUS because my PC could not manage my GH5, GH5S and GH6 files in 4K 60P Vlog multicam that Resolve could. Though eventually moved to Studio Max for better performance once I moved to Resolve. Took me a while to learn Resolve multicam as I still think EDIUS is the best implementation. Vegas is OK too ( that also had the multicam issue on my PC at the time ). I still use Vegas for fast single track editing and some audio. I like Resolve since I can move between PC, Mac and iPad where Vegas and EDIUS are PC only. Just use the tool that works.
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Re: Adios BlackMagic

PostWed May 07, 2025 4:58 pm

Has anyone tried Vegas in a VM on a Mac?
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Re: Adios BlackMagic

PostMon May 26, 2025 4:09 pm

I hear you! I'm very close to saying adios to BlackMagic as well. I've been watching demonstration and tutorial videos for other editors trying to decide what I want to do.

I was a Vegas user before coming to Resolve and I am seriously considering going back. There are so many editing features I desperately miss since I left Vegas. I've been begging Blackmagic to implement some of these features over the 3 1/2 years I've been using Resolve, but not a single one of them have been done yet.

For compositing/motion graphics I've been watching videos for Autograph by Left Angle and it's like After Effects on steroids. :o It looks perfect for what I want to do. It has an OpenFX Live Link plugin which should work with any editor that supports OpenFX. They only have a video demonstrating live link with Resolve, but theoretically it should work with Vegas. Autograph also has a feature where you can build a control panel and make it available in the OpenFX plugin, so you can adjust it and keyframe it from your editor. I've been begging Blackmagic to add a "Publish To Edit Page" feature in Fusion to be able to quickly and easily publish Fusion controls onto the Edit page for a while now, but that still hasn't happened. It's ironic that another company can integrate their completely separate app into the Edit page better than Blackmagic has integrated Fusion into the Edit page. :?

I already use Reaper for music editing and then import that into Resolve. This likely wouldn't change as I love using Reaper. Vegas is much more like Reaper for audio editing, so I might be able to do more stuff in Vegas than I do in Resolve/Fairlight (which I hate for audio editing).

So anyways, that's where I am at the moment. I'm still checking out options and lingering around just to see if the v20 beta ever addresses any of my issues, but at this point I'm not holding my breath. I have a handful of things I check in the new beta versions, and then I go back to watching videos for these other programs. :lol: So far, I think Vegas + Autograph + Reaper might be the way to move forward past Resolve for me.
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Re: Adios BlackMagic

PostMon May 26, 2025 5:23 pm

I do think the Tangent panels could work in Vegas. At least in "Warp Engine" mode if nothing else.

Check with Tangentwaveuk.com


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Re: Adios BlackMagic

PostTue May 27, 2025 12:33 am

And the speed editor should be configurable when using it with Vegas - or any other NLE besides Resolve.
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Re: Adios BlackMagic

PostTue May 27, 2025 6:32 am

Joe Shapiro wrote:And the speed editor should be configurable when using it with Vegas - or any other NLE besides Resolve.
Unfortunately, this appears to be only on Mac using another piece of software called Command Post. This is also something I've been looking into, if I end up making the switch off of Resolve it would be nice to actually be able to use the Editor for editing (like the name implies), which I haven't been able to in Resolve because the Speed Editor is pretty useless on the Edit page. However, I'm on PC and there doesn't appear to be a similar piece of software like Command Post to make the Speed Editor work outside of Resolve. :( If anyone knows how to make the Speed Editor work on PC I'd very much appreciate it!
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Re: Adios BlackMagic

PostWed May 28, 2025 6:41 am

Tekkerue wrote:
Joe Shapiro wrote:And the speed editor should be configurable when using it with Vegas - or any other NLE besides Resolve.
Unfortunately, this appears to be only on Mac using another piece of software called Command Post. This is also something I've been looking into, if I end up making the switch off of Resolve it would be nice to actually be able to use the Editor for editing (like the name implies), which I haven't been able to in Resolve because the Speed Editor is pretty useless on the Edit page. However, I'm on PC and there doesn't appear to be a similar piece of software like Command Post to make the Speed Editor work outside of Resolve. :( If anyone knows how to make the Speed Editor work on PC I'd very much appreciate it!
The name is Resolve Speed editor, not simple speed editor, in the first instance was sold with resolve license, it’s a great full work that exist a trick for Mac to use it under other softwares.
Unfortunately I do not know a same software under windows.


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Re: Adios BlackMagic

PostWed May 28, 2025 8:38 am

carlomacchiavello wrote:The name is Resolve Speed editor, not simple speed editor, in the first instance was sold with resolve license, it’s a great full work that exist a trick for Mac to use it under other softwares.
Unfortunately I do not know a same software under windows.
Yeah, I know it is a Blackmagic Speed Editor intended for Resolve, but people have been able to make it work in other editors on Mac and I was just wondering if anyone knows of any similar solutions for PC. I've been looking but haven't been able to find any.

Also, I find it ironic that Blackmagic decided to make the Speed Editor essentially useless for editing on the Edit page. :?
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PostWed May 28, 2025 11:20 am

Tekkerue wrote:
Also, I find it ironic that Blackmagic decided to make the Speed Editor essentially useless for editing on the Edit page. :?


We are both agree about it, I know it was cut page oriented, and with trick it’s useful also for edit page, but less than I would like to be.

Unfortunately in the last years I saw less and less useful free or donor ware software under windows, and more under Mac.
May be mac user are more generous to sent a coffe or better to developers, may be it’s easier to support some protocols (closed Os sometimes is good thing), but I founded more good tools under UnixMac and Linux than Windows.

Could be a good idea to contact developer and do a crowdfunding project to develop windows version of it


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Re: Adios BlackMagic

PostWed May 28, 2025 12:53 pm

CommanPost is even open source (I hadn't looked that deep into it before since I heard it was Mac only), but I just posted on their GitHub discussion section asking if there are any plans for a Windows version.
https://github.com/CommandPost/CommandP ... sions/3443

That would be nice to continue using the Speed Editor. It is a great unit (I love the feel of the jog wheel), but it's just too bad Blackmagic chose to implement it so poorly inside of Resolve and has continued to double down on that. :roll:
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