Camera 8.6 Beta Release Available

Interesting- thanks Mark - Looks like time to finally make the switch to CFast! Amazed I’ve only just realised about the gyro feature, and I’ve 8.1 for ages. I use stabilisation quite a lot but don’t often use braw.

It's defintely not the card speed that the issue though. BRAW 8:1 at 30fps is only 51MB/s and your card is supposed to have write speeds up to 90MB/s. Either your card is starting to fail or was never performing correctly to begin with. If you're content with shooting 8:1 then just pick up the Sandisk 200, 280, or 300 MB/s Extreme Pro SD cards and you should be fine. Those refer to the read speeds but they have write speeds up to 140, 150, and 260 MB/s respectively so you could handle 4K60 at 8:1 without any problem and that will cost less than CFast.

Fast USB-C storage like the Samsung T7 drives are an option, too, and they're also cheaper than CFast.

Quick question, is anyone else having trouble with the update taking aaaagggeeessss? Unusual for any update to take more than 10mins these days and I am currently over 15mins and not even halfway?!
Is this normal? Anyone else experiencing this?

Quick question, is anyone else having trouble with the update taking aaaagggeeessss? Unusual for any update to take more than 10mins these days and I am currently over 15mins and not even halfway?!
Is this normal? Anyone else experiencing this?

It didn't take that long for me on either my P4K or BMCC6K. I did however get two settings pages for the focus and zoom demand accessories on my BMCC6K that aren't supposed to be there.

Have you tried other USB-C cables or ports? If you're using a USB-C to USB-A cable, make sure the that port at least USB 3.0. If not then your transfer speeds will be limited to 60MB/s instead of 640MB/s.

Why is that official staff jump over mentions of the most current URSA lines? The G2 and 12k have not received any TLC and for those that invested it would be nice to know we didn't bite the lemon. If the Bmpcc 4k is still receiving updates the UMP G2 should as well.

At the very least let us know that it is no longer supported with firmware so we can make informed decisions please.

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So what is the GA date of the 8.6? Will it still support ProRes codec?

Not sure about the GA date, there are still a few items we might want to add in or fix as well.

Of course it will still have ProRes. Don't listen to rumours.

Any chance this firmware will also come to some of the other cameras? Like the URSA Mini Pro G2? Would love if that could happen. Would keep the P6KPro and UMPG2 as equal companions.

Also, since the P4K got these updates and the UMPG2 is more powerful I'm sure it can handle these updates. Plus the UMP12K can also probably handle it and should get it.[/quote]

Why is that official staff jump over mentions of the most current URSA lines? The G2 and 12k have not received any TLC and for those that invested it would be nice to know we didn't bite the lemon. If the Bmpcc 4k is still receiving updates the UMP G2 should as well.

At the very least let us know that it is no longer supported with firmware so we can make informed decisions please.

Not sure about the GA date, there are still a few items we might want to add in or fix as well.

Of course it will still have ProRes. Don't listen to rumours.

Any chance this firmware will also come to some of the other cameras? Like the URSA Mini Pro G2? Would love if that could happen. Would keep the P6KPro and UMPG2 as equal companions.

Also, since the P4K got these updates and the UMPG2 is more powerful I'm sure it can handle these updates. Plus the UMP12K can also probably handle it and should get it.

Well, Blackmagic does keep quiet usually on their future product and update path. They've done so for years. Other than some announcements of planned products like the recent URSA Cine Immersive. But majority of the time they never announce which cameras will get firmware updates in the future.

The only exception was that when BRAW was announced they said it would come to other older cameras and the only one that got it was the P4K. Sadly the UM4.6K never got it. Luckily the UMPG1 did. Then Gen5 came to the P4K as well when the UMPG1 & G2 never got it. So it is a shame the more powerful UMP cameras don't get the same firmware updates that the P4K got.

Considering that the UMPG2 is still being sold we can hope that this firmware does come to it. But 5-years without any updates and I wouldn't hold my breath. Just the UMP12K can be expected to get the firmware. It would be great if the last update the UMPG2 ever got was this firmware with Gen5 hidden in there.

We can hope, would be an amazing "moving on" update.

I'm pretty certain now that the gyro data in 8.6 (6k pro) is massively affecting data rates so much so that I've seen consistent dropped frames at 5.7k 5:1 60fps when recording to a T7 Shield, something that I hadn't experienced EVER prior to updating to 8.6. When I tried 6k 3:1 50fps I managed 3 seconds before it gave up If it's nothing to do with the 'improved gyro metadata' listed in the release notes then there's something else at play as the difference is night and day. Interestingly when using a lens with IS I don't get the dropped frames, whereas something like an 18-35 throws up the issues pretty much instantly.

Is tethering over phone coming to BMPCC4k or is there also a hardware limitation?

I know no proxies on the 4K, but sending the braw over phone could also be useful.

I'm pretty certain now that the gyro data in 8.6 (6k pro) is massively affecting data rates so much so that I've seen consistent dropped frames at 5.7k 5:1 60fps when recording to a T7 Shield, something that I hadn't experienced EVER prior to updating to 8.6. When I tried 6k 3:1 50fps I managed 3 seconds before it gave up :shock: If it's nothing to do with the 'improved gyro metadata' listed in the release notes then there's something else at play as the difference is night and day. Interestingly when using a lens with IS I don't get the dropped frames, whereas something like an 18-35 throws up the issues pretty much instantly.

That's very strange. I don't think there's any reason to assume it's the gyro data though unless thousands of copies of the data are being saved per-frame. Since you're shooting at a fixed compression ratio, try filming a little bit, count the frames, and doing the math to see if it's correct. Maybe it's ignoring the compression ratio you set and just recording at Q0 or something.

I was just noticing yesterday that the P6K technically can't reliably record Q0 to any recording media it supports for its three highest resolutions at their top frame rates. At 5.7K60, the Q0 mode is 396-792MB/s which averages to 594MB/s. That's higher than the top CFast speed (560MB/s) and 7% away from the top speed of the USB-C port (640MB/s) so if the scene has above average detail it could easily skew above those bitrates. At 6K50, that's 403-805MB/s which has an average of 604MB/s.

I don't know why IS would effect this though. If it is somehow the gyro data blowing up file sizes then it should scale with frame rate, not resolution so the change would be more noticable at lower resolutions.

There's something interesting that was just brought up in another topic.

After upgrading to 8.6 Beta, someone is now able to power their P6K Pro via USB-C without a battery in the camera. They're even recording successfully. I tried it on my 6K FF and all I got was a blinking orange light (not that I know what the orange light means). Their camera appears to be taking 15V 1.4A from their power bank so I tried it with a wall wart I have and with the Nintendo Switch power supply which can provide 15V 2A and 15V 2.8A respectively. Neither was able to power the camera. Neither of us were able to power our P4K via USB-C either.

Anybody else able to power their camera via USB-C after this update? And to any BMD employees, is this safe? There's no mention of this in the change logs so I know it isn't supposed to work.

Just updated to firmware 8.7 can confirm no 1.5 anamorphic de-squeeze at Open Gate
Canon EF/EFS Macro lenses fixed aperture still not fixed

Am I correct to say there is no fixes implemented in this firmware other than cloud live to Davinci

Simon, please educate yourself about how apertures on lenses (yes, also on your 'constant' aperture macro lenses) work.

Here's another attempt to explain it to you: https://photo.stackexchange.com/questio ... macro-lens

Simon, please educate yourself about how apertures on lenses (yes, also on your 'constant' aperture macro lenses) work.

Here's another attempt to explain it to you: https://photo.stackexchange.com/questio ... macro-lens

No its you who must educate yourself. I have explained repeatedly. I owned these lenses for many years and have used them successfully on all the Pocket cameras that take either EF/S or Metabones SB adapted to EF, UMP G2, etc. Also on my Canon dSLRs. Canon also published details of these lenses as fixed aperture. Any attmept to explaint to me are not based on eperience. Why don't you go and try it yourself?????

Simon, please educate yourself about how apertures on lenses (yes, also on your 'constant' aperture macro lenses) work.

Here's another attempt to explain it to you: https://photo.stackexchange.com/questio ... macro-lens

Now see the aperture remains fixed and does not fluctuate even when focus distance changes

That's an RF lens. No way you're using that on a L-Mount camera. However, the same applies to this lens (As it does to every macro lens, Simon, please read the article I linked previously): https://www.the-digital-picture.com/Rev ... -Lens.aspx

While talking about the available apertures of a macro lens, it should be mentioned that at close focusing distances, the effective max aperture decreases. The following chart details the measured (metered) light loss incurred at the specified subject magnification.

Magnification: ∞ 0.3x 0.6x 1x 1.4x
Exposure Factor (loss in stops) 0 1 1 1/3 2 2 1/3
Effective Aperture f/2.8 f/4 f/4.5 f/5.6 f/6.3

That's an RF lens. No way you're using that on a L-Mount camera. However, the same applies to this lens (As it does to every macro lens, Simon, please read the article I linked previously): https://www.the-digital-picture.com/Rev ... -Lens.aspx

While talking about the available apertures of a macro lens, it should be mentioned that at close focusing distances, the effective max aperture decreases. The following chart details the measured (metered) light loss incurred at the specified subject magnification.

Magnification: ∞ 0.3x 0.6x 1x 1.4x
Exposure Factor (loss in stops) 0 1 1 1/3 2 2 1/3
Effective Aperture f/2.8 f/4 f/4.5 f/5.6 f/6.3

Come on now, they tested with both RF and EF, they both Macro lenses. You not used the lenses t in question. I have, many times. They are FIXED aperture, they don't vary because of focus distance and independent of light loss if set to manual mode. Really you need to test it yourself before making an arguement against this.

On a Panasonic body Sigma MC 21 adapter with Canon EF Macro lens the aperture does not change on focus distance and behaves as it should. This confirms the problem is the BMCC6K and likely with the Pyxis L mount version too

I had some problems with the new update (6K Pro):

1. A week ago I recorded a session and all the file got strange recording date 16.07.2024. Future date. I did not change the date since getting the update. Later on the other days I recorded some more files and they got proper date and the last files were moved in the sorting que back before the previous files. I thought nothing was recorded.

2. I appreciate the new deletion possibilities of the files from the camera itself. Nevertheless it requires clicking and scrolling if I want to search for proper files. It is really annoying as the explorer shows not the last files recorded but some past files first time you enter the one.
I would really appreciate a possibility to delete a file right after recording without entering the explorer. After clicking the play button I would expect the lastly recorded file and a Trash bin button.

It’s been around 4 months now that this beta has been going on which is terrific that things are getting checked out. When will this ever be GA for all the BMPCC6K camera models?

Nice one how can i download it and update my Black Magic 6k Pro

I am a user of BMPCC4k/6k/6kpro. I recently updated to 8.6,
but I can no longer format my samsung SSD T5/T7, which I had been able to use normally until now.

I can record on the SSD, but nothing happens when I touch the format screen.

Do you have the same problem?

Am I using it incorrectly?

I decided to lower the software version.

I am a user of BMPCC4k/6k/6kpro. I recently updated to 8.6,
but I can no longer format my samsung SSD T5/T7, which I had been able to use normally until now.

I can record on the SSD, but nothing happens when I touch the format screen.

Do you have the same problem?

Am I using it incorrectly?

I decided to lower the software version.

pocket 6k g1 (i had three cameras, bought in different time) here:
i use it from some year with different usb disk.
i usually record 50p 5:1 or Q3. all fine from zero to fill disks, in many different environment and many different kind of picture, every time deep focus picture (high bitrate result).

after 8.6/8.7 upgrade i can use only cfast card.
Every usb disk not work fine or cannot format, it stay for hours to try to format, but never start to do it, if i turn off and on camera, disk was never formatted.

go back to 8.1 firmaware, all fine, all disks come back to work like a charm like ever.
update to 8.6/8.7 problem, back to 8.1 work fine.

seems something is change about disk support and not in better.
these are the enclosure :
- ORICO Case SSD M.2 NVMe, external Enclosure, USB 3.2 Gen2 10Gbps PCIe M-Key SSD 2230/2242/2260/2280 with UASP with wd black 2tb
- StarTech.com Box eSATAp/ eSATA 6 Gbps USB 3.0 with UASP with San disk extreme 500gb and 1tb

box and ssd listed are also used to record uncompressed cdng 60p with my UMP that mean are enought strong to work on 6k compressed data.

but also with approved disk i had same problems
- 2x t7 shield 1tb
- 2x wise PTS-1024 Portable SSD.

please come back or check why not work fine.

Curious when this firmware is going to come out of Beta? It's been in Beta for near 5-months now. And, curious if this firmware can come to the URSA Mini Pro G1/G2/12K models as well.

Curious when this firmware is going to come out of Beta? It's been in Beta for near 5-months now. And, curious if this firmware can come to the URSA Mini Pro G1/G2/12K models as well.

I’m having the same questions too. Hopefully soon.

Are there any plans to add webcam features to the Micro studio cam...

+1

Like some of you, I am also quite confused.

I own 2 BMPCC 6K, the Camera Setup 8.6, which seems to be the one i would need to update my gear, is still in beta.
I did tried and updated one of my cams with the latest software, v. 9, and the camera was updated to 8.6.
Now, I was wondering whether it was the 8.6 in beta or final version.
Then i downgraded to 8.1 to stay safe until I get an answer.

If anyone can answer, thx in advance.

I update BMPCC 6K Pro to Camera 8.6 Beta Release. I tested a T5 on Blackmagic 6K RAW Constant Bitrate 12:1 and Blackmagic RAW Constant Quality Q5 25FPS and get constant dropped frames on every take. However on firmware 7 and & 7.1 all was fine. What's the issue now ? Why was the T5 fine before the update and if I remember correctly on the list and now redundant?

Anyway to fix dropped frames. All looked fine RAW Player .

Why do BMPCC make kit redundant that worked fine before with updates if T5 no longer supported.

I begin to lose faith in Blackmagic as it becomes a battle to get the correct info on updates and errors without spending all my time on a forum rather than makes films...

Help anyone?

Also wonder if T7 Shield 4TB ok rather than recommended 2TB?

T7 and T9 4TB work most of the time… As long as you’re doing short takes, and constantly watching for dropped frames. (sometimes they work flawlessly for me on long takes as well, 3-4hrs)


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I'll note that the new iPhone 16 Pro seems to have connection issues with the Pocket 6K Pro. Doesn't connect it to the web and seems like it doesn't communicate well with the camera. Probably because the Beta was released long before this iPhone was announced and released. But just a note.

Definitely cannot establish connection to update Date/Time automatically. Definitely cannot establish a connection to upload footage to the Cloud.

Otherwise, iPhone needs to be restarted to even make it see a connection via USB-C. Still doesn't get it to connect camera to internet however.

Thought I'd add this in case this hasn't been reported and logged by BMD Team.

Is there a way to directly upload clips to Resolve as the update says?

Recently (Oct 14 2024) downloaded ALL firmware update for PRO K6 POCKET CAMERA...

NOW --

unable to use "SCREEN MENU".

Is this a problem coming up with recent, new updates?
Should I go back to original system settings?
Maybe a previous update date-time?

Thanks for any help.

Looks like with the issues, this firmware update is still long ways coming.

Can we get a Lens Data option for the Blackmagic Micro Studio Camera 4K G2?

We need this for gyro stabilization.

Hello, does anyone have any information about when the full 8.6 firmware is going to be released?

Hello, does anyone have any information about when the full 8.6 firmware is going to be released?

I wonder too, it seems like Blackmagic forgot about us. Also the beta version does not support DJI gimbals while the previous version had no problems. It's a bit frustrating.

This is simply nuts. They've released many other camera firmware packages but haven't given a full replacement for 8.6 beta?

Poor form.

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A couple of us bmpcc 4k users have noticed a picture shift when shooting in UHD 16:9 - quite annoying especially with central compositions. The image position is shifted to the right when playing back the clip either in camera or on computers. This should be addressed if there’s ever a non beta firmware coming.

Here’s the link to the thread:
viewtopic.php?f=2&t=212092

Anyone else have a problem with the grid just not even displaying since putting 8.6 on your BMPCC? Grid turned on but not showing. Frame Guide doesn't show either. But the Safe Area box does display.

additional support usb is not related to other features, is too difficult to remove that part of enhanced code and realease firmware that have all good things and not these defects? no

seems usb- c protocols are changed and in the worst (incompatible) way, be cause broke for many ssd/nvme suport and for dji remote from usb-c.
after months it's an evidence that it'snt solved problems, please release a less powrful firmware but useful with new feature and not the usb-c managment

Hello fellows,

like many, I have been wondering what happens with the 8.6 (beta) release and found out that it's probably been rolled into the release 9 and onward.

Check kristian Lam's words:

HERE

Hi,

We've just released Camera 8.7 Public Beta. This adds the proxy live syncing support to Cinema Camera 6K and URSA Broadcast G2. All the stuff in 8.6 has also been rolled into the 8.7 release.

In the meantime, please keep the feedback coming. We may not respond to every post, but we do read them.

AND HERE

@kristian I Totally understand the priority of issuing a version that supports the URSA Cine 12k, but now that v9 has been released, what is the status of v8.7?

8.7 will never exist as a formal release. What is going to happen is that the changes that you guys are seeing in 8.7 will roll into a future release, so at this point it will be a post 9.x release once we are confident that all the issues are addressed.

Both posts belonging to this topic: viewtopic.php?f=2&t=203870

So, I assume we just have to DL the latest release of Blackmagic Camera, which is the 9.1.3 version, to get the 8.6 one.