NAB 2025 Predicitions

Is there an emoji to express salivating? 16 stops for a camera likely under $5K, demand would exceed supply.

Why not?
For just a couple of grand more you can get the Cine 12k LF but its the size and extra screen, power solution. etc, is getting in the way and inadvertenty adding to the cost too. A smaller camera without these fodders for single operator and limit the framerates to 60fps in all resolutions to control heat and power limit.

If you think about it, the "Body Only" URSA Cine model is pretty much what people wanted in a more-affordable URSA Cine (minus the side screen).
- No baseplate included (you can use a lightweight one instead)
- Affordable Media in CF Express w/ limited read speeds
- More affordable overall

I'm still trying to bring myself around to getting one. I'm actually selling my Pyxis to go with a simpler two-camera interview setup for travel shoots, which seem to be most everything I'm doing.

If ANYTHING, I feel like we'll get some sort of broadcast/studio camera.
If they could just put the UMP12k sensor in a pocket, haha

If you think about it, the "Body Only" URSA Cine model is pretty much what people wanted in a more-affordable URSA Cine (minus the side screen).
- No baseplate included (you can use a lightweight one instead)
- Affordable Media in CF Express w/ limited read speeds
- More affordable overall

Agreed. And, this is in part why I'm buying it. I doubt there will be an URSA Cine Mini when they just announced the URSA Cine Body Only. My hope is to buy it end of month now instead of after NAB.

But the 15mm Baseplate shaves almost 1.5 lbs off the total weight. There's also no the options to buy third party baseplates and top plates/handles without having to waste money on the BMD ones with the package as the body only is exactly that. So you can built the kit better.

I'm thinking either Mid49 Top Plate or Wooden Camera Top Plate. I know I want to do a top plate to have more rigging options. Wooden Camera seems great as you can still use URSA Cine Top Handle with it. And, then I can rig some side plating off that top plate to be able to put Transmitters.

So there are more options now than a year ago for rigging the camera for sure that the body only made a lot of sense to sell these cameras.

Plus, I can always get a Mini later if they introduce it as it can then be a B-Cam.

They'll likely continue to add to their 2110 offerings with some new hardware. There is apparently a firmware version for the studio cameras touring the trade show circuit that shows a SMPTE 2110 enabled firmware for those cams so I'd expect maybe some software cross promotion with the new hardware.

Resolve will get a bunch of AI goodies and a long list of bugs will be ignored .

Anybody else feeling that the Ursa Mini design is a little long in the tooth? Not big enough to save the trouble with added features like the Cine, and not small enough to get out of the way like the Pyxis. I see this design as becoming the exclusive domain of the Broadcast line. The SMPTE infrastructure of that cam triples the price so I'm sure it's a top earner in that market.

My wild guess is a Pocket 3 that maybe leans into FX3/C70. Modern batteries, Pyxis Monitor compatible. Upgrade the 4K to a 6K MFT sensor. There are no S35 L-Mount cams so we'd need one of them in the box of donuts, FF could be saved for later. Since we're having fun, the P3 would also feature the first serious attempt at auto focus. Pro/Not Pro could be differentiated by a standard-ish feature set, WiFi, 4K, SDI, 32 Bit audio, hi-nits, +48V, etc.,

Good Luck

Dunno about NAB 2025 but I've been wondering about this sensor in the Micro Studio G2.

It appears to be the same IMX299 style sensor as the BMPCC4K but in UHD. Thinking this through, it must cost a enormous sum of money to get a Sony sensor made. Also, considering that the BMPCC4K might be the most successful camera and BM have made.

Here's my guess.

A new Micro Four Thirds camera with a screen. A new Pocket-Cinema-style-Cam-4K with a UHD sensor (not 4K DCI).

Sony had a big announcement for Virtual Production with Camera Tracking. And, I can't help but wonder what Blackmagic is cooking up to compete. Something that would really work well with Fusion in Resolve.

https://www.cined.com/sony-ocellus-intr ... n-and-vfx/

https://pro.sony/ue_US/products/camera- ... on-ocellus

Well Sony made an announcement. I am not sure how big it is and how much the industry will embrace it as it seems limited to the Sony Venice cameras. But I'll look at it at NAB.

I really hope we get a Micro Cinema Camera g2 at some point. Plop it in a Micro body, cfast type b card on the side instead of sd card and make it as cheap as possible. Yes please!

First 17K footage released as we figured. It's definitely going to be shipping by NAB.

I truly hope that rental houses will start purchasing the 17k so many more can take advantage of these amazing cameras. Now it's just finding the right glass/package to pair with it.

On the BMD Gallery page for Cine cameras, one of the shooters used Tokina Vista Primes as apparently the 35mm and longer primes will cover the Cine 17K open gate if I recall correctly.

I truly hope that rental houses will start purchasing the 17k so many more can take advantage of these amazing cameras. Now it's just finding the right glass/package to pair with it.

I can let you know that Otto Nemenz for sure have quite a few cameras of both flavours. I know this because I have six of them on my current show.

https://ottonemenz.com

JB

Ursa Mini Pro 8K

Single Media Module Reader!

Shane Hurlbut just stated on his Live that they are working on one. So, predicting that is coming to NAB 2025.

Single Media Module Reader!

Shane Hurlbut just stated on his Live that they are working on one. So, predicting that is coming to NAB 2025.

Do you have a link to his live?

Single Media Module Reader!

Shane Hurlbut just stated on his Live that they are working on one. So, predicting that is coming to NAB 2025.

Do you have a link to his live?

It's on his Filmmaker's Academy website: https://watch.filmmakersacademy.com/pro ... live-event

Yeah, thinking about it more, I believe the Cine 17k will be the 'product announcement' along with supplemental things for the Cine line. Stuff like showcasing the Cine 12k/17k and possibly revealing a single module reader for the Drives.

I don't think we'll be as lucky as getting a 7" monitor or a Cine LT. I know the big boy cameras use a lot of battery power, like the Ursa Mini / Cine bodies, and I do hope for a stripped down version of the Cine, but I have recently shot a bunch of stuff with the Pyxis and the battery usage w/ the Pyxis Monitor has been very good. I did an entire day (6ish hours) on one 98Wh battery.

We would love to see OLED video assist monitors in 19”, 24”, and 32” sizes.

I'd like to see an Ultrastudio 6G ... low cost 4K acquisition from a Micro Studio Cam 4K over SDI into my laptop via Thunderbolt 4.

A multi-cam version of a Hyperdeck (an ATEM Mini ISO without the ATEM) would be cool too - it would be great tied into the Replay Editor in Resolve. Record onto SSDs for easy swapping and ingest. 3/6/12G options depending on need/pocket depth.

A pipe dream, but having jumped into 2110 IP, maybe they could release a wireless sender? Skip the SDI/STP/fibre cables altogether. Would be great for any mobile cameraman at an event as well as sites where you don't want to be running cables for safety or because they'll be visible.

RED Komodo just had a price cut to under $3k if I was in the market for a Pyxis this will have changed my mind. NAB I expect or hope there will be some price cut by BMD.

RED Komodo just had a price cut to under $3k if I was in the market for a Pyxis this will have changed my mind. NAB I expect or hope there will be some price cut by BMD.

Right, but you should work in the Red ecosystem, every time you need something you should buy red branded accessories, and some money cutted in body will be spent in other way.
Today, for me, price is not the right reason to buy Red.


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+1 for putting internal NDs into a 'Pro' Version of the Pyxis.

If L-Mount is not feasible, do it with the PL version only. Sony has just done it with their new extension kit on e-mount, but obviously at a very different price point. Dreaming here, but internal NDs would make the Pyxis pretty much perfect at this price point even if its just for the PL-version.

EDIT: I just realised the Sony extension system consists of manual drop in filters, so disregard that. The comment about the PL version still stands (:

RED Komodo just had a price cut to under $3k if I was in the market for a Pyxis this will have changed my mind. NAB I expect or hope there will be some price cut by BMD.

Right, but you should work in the Red ecosystem, every time you need something you should buy red branded accessories, and some money cutted in body will be spent in other way.
Today, for me, price is not the right reason to buy Red.


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In what way?

+1 for putting internal NDs into a 'Pro' Version of the Pyxis.

If L-Mount is not feasible, do it with the PL version only. Sony has just done it with their new extension kit on e-mount, but obviously at a very different price point. Dreaming here, but internal NDs would make the Pyxis pretty much perfect at this price point even if its just for the PL-version.

Completely agree with this.

I work mostly on smaller productions and am a better shooter with built in ND's plain and simple. On larger shoots with a proper camera team I can rent.

@Marshall - its honestly the only thing keeping me from updating my Pocket Pro. Everything else is such an upgrade, but since there is no thirdparty ND adapter that includes a clear version, the Pyxis at the moment is a non-starter for me. And I think a lot of people who have had internal NDs are not willing to go back to a camera without them.

As NAB is broadcast-oriented...

I'd like to see expansion of 2110 into the ATEM Mini product line, an 8-port 2110 Ethernet switch, and low-cost 2110-dedicated Studio or Micro Studio Camera.

The ATEM Mini products haven't had a hardware update in a while and, with the introduction of the ATEM Micro Panel, there's an opportunity to create a more streamlined model to partner with the micro panel (ideally with the addition of 2110 support). This would mandate using ATEM Software Control but I believe most productions involve a local laptop anyway.

I hope a new Video Assist. The original was released in 2015, with the updated version in 2019. Please release a new one. The 2019 was horribly designed.

+1 for putting internal NDs into a 'Pro' Version of the Pyxis.

If L-Mount is not feasible, do it with the PL version only.

Probably not possible with the current Pyxis body if using normal NDs that need to move out of the way of the sensor. The body isn't tall enough.

RED Komodo just had a price cut to under $3k if I was in the market for a Pyxis this will have changed my mind. NAB I expect or hope there will be some price cut by BMD.

Right, but you should work in the Red ecosystem, every time you need something you should buy red branded accessories, and some money cutted in body will be spent in other way.
Today, for me, price is not the right reason to buy Red.


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In what way?

If you ask mean you never own or rent a Red.
Red cam tend to work fine only with Red accessories and no more, from cables to every others things.


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Single Media Module Reader!

Shane Hurlbut just stated on his Live that they are working on one. So, predicting that is coming to NAB 2025.

Hoping for this as well. A thunderbolt port would be more than welcome. I was surprised to see that this was not included on the 3 slot entry. If I understand correctly, that one is ethernet and USB-C only.

Single Media Module Reader!

Shane Hurlbut just stated on his Live that they are working on one. So, predicting that is coming to NAB 2025.

Hoping for this as well. A thunderbolt port would be more than welcome. I was surprised to see that this was not included on the 3 slot entry. If I understand correctly, that one is ethernet and USB-C only.

USB-C for "Ethernet via USB-C" on the Media Dock, and then there's 4 10G Ethernet Ports.

After using the URSA Cine 12K with transferring via both USB-C and Ethernet there's no question Ethernet is substantially faster.

This is in large part why I am glad to have gotten Body with CFExpress Media Module. I can get a card reader for the CFExpress Cards and easily handle media offload on set with that smaller card reader via 20 Gb/s USB-C 3.2. Granted the Angelbird Card Reader I ordered is still back ordered. So at moment I'm using Ethernet to drop media off camera.

When a Single Media Dock is released then I'd be happy to get that and an 8TB Media Module.

Prograde has USB4 readers. The things are faster than any card. I think.

Much cheaper than TB readers they replaced. Similar speeds.

[quote="carlomacchiavello"Right, but you should work in the Red ecosystem, every time you need something you should buy red branded accessories, and some money cutted in body will be spent in other way.
Today, for me, price is not the right reason to buy Red.


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In what way?

If you ask mean you never own or rent a Red.
Red cam tend to work fine only with Red accessories and no more, from cables to every others things.


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Not RED Komodo, they have moved on from proprietary, can use off the shelf memory cards, third party batteries and monitor screens, that is partly why they are popular now. On top of that they can do continous auto focus tracking.

Just for fun - it's already out there, but could Blackmagic announce a new camera to tackle immersive media? It could be compatible with devices like the Apple Vision Pro and DaVinci Resolve. Another idea is a smaller boxcam than the recently announced Pyxis, or a new gimbal-integrated camera. The I/O and other gear seems to be trending more towards wireless or streaming as the years go by.

I think whatever they come up with will be interesting.

could Blackmagic announce a new camera to tackle immersive media?

I believe this already exists (although its not currently shipping) and is called the URSA Cine Immersive

Another idea is a smaller boxcam than the recently announced Pyxis, or a new gimbal-integrated camera.

I personally would prefer if they would stay with the existing Pyxis body and focus on improvements (such as adding internal NDs or putting the rear outputs at an 45º angle to help with rigging just as they have done with past iteration of their different bodies.

a new gimbal-integrated camera

As far as I know Blackmagic has not pre-existing IP in the gimbal/camera stabilization space and I think other companies are already filling that niche quite well. Blackmagic's strength as the small company that they are is incredibly strong color science and leveraging their software into an unparalled pipeline from set to post.

Resolve 20 will hopefully feel huge, but ultimately, if they can implement some Resolve aspects into their camera OS/features, that would be amazing. I don't know how you could do facial tracking in-camera with Resolve based tech, but I'd imagine it would need some computing power.

Dunno about NAB 2025 but I've been wondering about this sensor in the Micro Studio G2.

It appears to be the same IMX299 style sensor as the BMPCC4K but in UHD. Thinking this through, it must cost a enormous sum of money to get a Sony sensor made. Also, considering that the BMPCC4K might be the most successful camera and BM have made.

Here's my guess.

A new Micro Four Thirds camera with a screen. A new Pocket-Cinema-style-Cam-4K with a UHD sensor (not 4K DCI).

The Pocket 4K and the Micro Studio G2 use the exact same sensor. In the Micro Studio they just crop it a tiny bit to create an UHD image.

Single Media Module Reader!

Shane Hurlbut just stated on his Live that they are working on one. So, predicting that is coming to NAB 2025.

Hoping for this as well. A thunderbolt port would be more than welcome. I was surprised to see that this was not included on the 3 slot entry. If I understand correctly, that one is ethernet and USB-C only.

USB-C for "Ethernet via USB-C" on the Media Dock, and then there's 4 10G Ethernet Ports.

After using the URSA Cine 12K with transferring via both USB-C and Ethernet there's no question Ethernet is substantially faster.

This is in large part why I am glad to have gotten Body with CFExpress Media Module. I can get a card reader for the CFExpress Cards and easily handle media offload on set with that smaller card reader via 20 Gb/s USB-C 3.2. Granted the Angelbird Card Reader I ordered is still back ordered. So at moment I'm using Ethernet to drop media off camera.

When a Single Media Dock is released then I'd be happy to get that and an 8TB Media Module.

I just didn't want to think about dropping frames and what I could or couldn't do at various combos of resolution and compression.

What we have right now is workable, but 6 GB/s in and 1.4 out doesn't make a lot of sense. Maybe they were waiting on TB5 .

Every year speculation and conjecture bloom like flowers in spring

A suggestion for BMD:
That the person who has made a proposal closest to the product released wins a product loan for evaluation

Any leaked posters?

Any leaked posters?

APRIL FOOLS!!!



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Any hopes for a revamped line of ATEMs now that the competition has heated up?
Something with more intuitive UI - less tiny buttons - and more robust features?

Any leaked posters?

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Looks AI made .

Any leaked posters?

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Looks AI made .

It is. I made it with ChatGPT. Some April Fools fun.


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Can ChatGPT create a Pyxis Pro with everything we’d like? That might get a lot of attention!

Or a firmware for the BMCC6K thats no longer beta

Ursa Cine Mini LF, box shaped, 60fps capped.

I went for the sky. But I guess I flew too close to the Sun.


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[quote="carlomacchiavello"Right, but you should work in the Red ecosystem, every time you need something you should buy red branded accessories, and some money cutted in body will be spent in other way.
Today, for me, price is not the right reason to buy Red.


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In what way?

If you ask mean you never own or rent a Red.
Red cam tend to work fine only with Red accessories and no more, from cables to every others things.


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Not RED Komodo, they have moved on from proprietary, can use off the shelf memory cards, third party batteries and monitor screens, that is partly why they are popular now. On top of that they can do continous auto focus tracking.[/quote]I’m happy to learn that


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Or a firmware for the BMCC6K thats no longer beta

+1000