Blackmagic Ursa Cine 12K LF - 14,8V frame-rates

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Blackmagic Ursa Cine 12K LF - 14,8V frame-rates

PostThu May 22, 2025 5:36 pm

Hello!

Maybe a stupid question, but I think it's valid when I saw the frame-rates Pyxis 12k can do.

Is there any possibilities for the Cine 12k LF to do more than 60fps on a 14.8v V-mount battery in the future?
At least something similar to the Pyxis 12k.
I mean, I don't need 224fps, but 100fps at 4k would be really nice :)

(yes I know I can change to B-mount, but I have a lot of V-mount batteries and I dont use high-speed that often)
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Re: Blackmagic Ursa Cine 12K LF - 14,8V frame-rates

PostThu May 22, 2025 6:48 pm

I suspect there’s more power draw from the camera with the extra monitor and all that may mean 14V batteries provide a little less to the processor for handling higher frame rates in the realm of the PYXIS 12K. But that’s only my guess. No technical information to support that claim.

Maybe someone from Blackmagic can actually give a technical answer.


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Re: Blackmagic Ursa Cine 12K LF - 14,8V frame-rates

PostTue Jul 01, 2025 7:25 am

Upgrade to B-mount and use your v-mounts for lights.
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Re: Blackmagic Ursa Cine 12K LF - 14,8V frame-rates

PostTue Jul 01, 2025 3:07 pm

Buy another camera…

I know that may sound harsh as a statement, however, it is the only concrete one. If a camera especially like this one that has a very large sensor, so it has a number of elements that handle that mass of data that is captured per second, it is highly unlikely that it will change as a capture characteristic in the future, unless you are talking about a capture with a sensor crop that allows A reduction in the data stream

Increasing the capture speed of a sensor is not only a physical matter, so power supply and data transfer, we also have to add a processing part, control to avoid image distortion, and many other factors. If in analog it is enough to increase the film speed and Only worry about the accuracy of the dragging motion, in the digital world there are so many changes that take place when changing a data stream, that is why even though many machines have the ability to work at very high shutter speed, they are not able to make video with as many frames per second, I am speaking for both photography and video.


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Re: Blackmagic Ursa Cine 12K LF - 14,8V frame-rates

PostTue Jul 01, 2025 8:43 pm

There's a huge amount going on inside the UC 12K, computationally speaking. There's the image processing to begin with, then the five separate individually configurable monitors (two that are built in), WiFi, streaming hardware, recording hardware, etc... and at the data rates that this camera can handle, that takes a lot of computing power.

Add to that the fact that there is a controller chip stacked onto the back of the sensor, and to enable such huge resolution while still maintaining a clean enough image to provide such a huge dynamic range, the sensor has to stay cool even while working hard AND having a chip stuck on its back that is ALSO working very hard, because that's where the subsampling for lower resolution settings happens.

To keep that cool BMD is using a Peltier cooler, which also requires power, and has infrastructure to power some additional devices like a focus motor and wireless video, hardware streaming encoder, etc.

That takes power.
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