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Pocket BMCC four thirds lens mount.

PostWed Apr 10, 2013 2:08 pm

Hi everyone, have what may be complete common knowledge here. I'm a post person who rarely shoots and I'm interested in the Pocket Cinema Camera. Can someone explain what a micro four thirds lens mount is? Basically, once I pull the camera out of the box can I just stick my Canon EF lenses on it or would I need an adapter?? How common is micro four thirds? And lastly , a quick explanation of MFT would be great. Again, I'm sure this is very common knowledge here so sorry in advance.
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Re: Pocket BMCC four thirds lens mount.

PostWed Apr 10, 2013 2:19 pm

Micro Four Thirds is a lens mount standard most commonly used on many Panasonic and Olympus cameras.
http://www.four-thirds.org/en/microft/

Many lenses are available in both electronic and manual.

Canon EF lenses won't work on the camera without and adaptor and as the EF mount required electronics to control the aperture they are generally more difficult to use.

The short Flange Focal Distance on the MFT mount means many other lenses can be adapted to work on the camera. You best bet is to look for full manual lenses, there are many to choose from, or buy any of the MFT lenses.
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Re: Pocket BMCC four thirds lens mount.

PostWed Apr 10, 2013 5:07 pm

so what are some of the best for your buck lenses available out there? I am asking for things like 50mm 1.4 its cheap, image is great, quality is good too. or 24-105 f 4 canon. great, if not best all around lense. What are your thoughts on mft lenses?

Would it be possible to use a converter to mount EF lenses?

I was also thinking I would need a very fast prime ie f.1 at 24 or 35 or 50mm for it to compensate for not so great low light sensitivity in camera.
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Re: Pocket BMCC four thirds lens mount.

PostWed Apr 10, 2013 6:39 pm

Just a quick look around Amazon resulted in a few adapters with manual aperture control.
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Re: Pocket BMCC four thirds lens mount.

PostWed Apr 10, 2013 7:28 pm

If I was buying new lenses I'd look at the Voigtländer Nokton lenses - 17.5mm (52.5mm eq FOV on FF), 25mm (75mm eq FOV on FF) and 42.5mm (127.5mm eq FOV on FF).
http://www.voigtlaender.de/cms/voigtlae ... enses.html

Another great option would be the old Carl Zeiss Arriflex Super 16 MKlll
9.5mm T1.3, 12mm T1.3, 16mm T1.3 and 25mm T1.3
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Re: Pocket BMCC four thirds lens mount.

PostWed Apr 10, 2013 11:04 pm

Um, that all nice and all, but they are over 1300$ lenses. I was reffering to something under 500$. If you buy Canon 50 f1.8 and Canon 24 f1.2 you wont see much difference in video, there might be but not overwhelming but the price difference is at least 10 times. So again can someone recommend, something that would cost cheap and has great optics? Thanks.
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PostWed Apr 10, 2013 11:19 pm

Masterok, we also need to be aware of the crop factor of that S16 chip in the BMPC. That 50mm normal lens (full frame) would give the field of view of a 150mm tele on the BMPC.

I've seen the Panasonic pancake prime lenses rated highly. They run around $330 or less.

20mm f1.7
14mm f2.5

They also have the advantage of actually letting you use the Pocket Camera as a, um, pocket camera!
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Re: Pocket BMCC four thirds lens mount.

PostWed Apr 10, 2013 11:21 pm

There are many popular, quality MFT lenses available, almost too many to discuss in a thread like this. The MFT format has been around for a few years now, so there's lots of good info already available.

One of many examples: The Panasonic Lumix 20mm f1.7 lens is above-average optically and costs around $300 US. But to determine if it's suitable for your needs, you'll have to determine by researching it a bit.

Detailed reviews of MFT lenses are available online, such as on DPreview.com and elsewhere; even BHphotovideo.com has hundreds of customer reviews on popular lenses. Refer also to the lens sub-forum in the GH2/GH3 section of dvxuser.com for info on MFT lenses especially for video use.
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PostWed Apr 10, 2013 11:49 pm

ok so I need to chime in here. I have an opportunity to purchase a set of zeiss MKII super 16 lenses. But Im also thinking of getting ..well im getting the speedbooster too. I have tons of nikon and zeiss full frame glass. my widest being 21mmF2.8. Should I just get the sigma 8-16 or the tokina 11-16 and be done with it or are the zeiss super speed mkII's really worth investing for this mount alone?
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Re: Pocket BMCC four thirds lens mount.

PostWed Apr 10, 2013 11:53 pm

aesnakes wrote:ok so I need to chime in here. I have an opportunity to purchase a set of zeiss MKII super 16 lenses. But Im also thinking of getting ..well im getting the speedbooster too. I have tons of nikon and zeiss full frame glass. my widest being 21mmF2.8. Should I just get the sigma 8-16 or the tokina 11-16 and be done with it or are the zeiss super speed mkII's really worth investing for this mount alone?


Are you considering purchasing a set of lenses for a camera (the BMPCCC) which isn't shipping yet, and for which there's no sample footage shown yet?
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Re: Pocket BMCC four thirds lens mount.

PostThu Apr 11, 2013 12:29 am

lets just say i usually wouldnt but it seems dirt cheap if they are amazing. like 2k for the set of 5 but i think I could make the speedboster work for me so i dont know. i convinced myself not to today but thought Id ask because im not familiar with these and if I was going to get anything s16 it would be these and I could maybe turn them around for a profit if s16 becomes popular...its a gamble so again I was just asking about the lenses and if anyone had input about them not about my stupid gear acquisition syndrome.
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PostThu Apr 11, 2013 12:33 am

aesnakes wrote:... I was just asking about the lenses and if anyone had input about them not about my stupid gear acquisition syndrome.


That's cool. But at least your "syndrome" is somewhat mitigated by your living in one of the most beautiful areas in the world, is it not? :-)
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PostThu Apr 11, 2013 2:33 am

This is true, but it does seem endless, the beautiful country and the gear. Its like id give an organ for some sweet anamorphics, then i come to my senses and stop chasing after the iscos and square fronts and just play with the Kowa 16H but anyways this has nothing to do with this topic except I cant wait to shoot anamorphic on the pocket cinema cam. 4X3 PLEASE lol
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Re: Pocket BMCC four thirds lens mount.

PostMon Jul 15, 2013 1:44 pm

Hi All,

I recently got a good deal on a ZEISS BIOTAR 2.8/58MM-EXAKTA mount via eBay. Bought based on an online article I read about lenses that would be "great" to use with the BMCC or Pocket.

Would someone here validate that for me?

Thanks!
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Re: Pocket BMCC four thirds lens mount.

PostMon Jul 15, 2013 4:04 pm

masterok wrote:Um, that all nice and all, but they are over 1300$ lenses. I was reffering to something under 500$. If you buy Canon 50 f1.8 and Canon 24 f1.2 you wont see much difference in video, there might be but not overwhelming but the price difference is at least 10 times. So again can someone recommend, something that would cost cheap and has great optics? Thanks.

Here goes. The following are all manual, so they can also work on BMCC MFT:

- Nikon G to MFT Adapter: $30
- Nikon Nikkor AI-s 24mm/f2.8: $150+ on eBay
- Nikon Nikkor AI-s 50mm/f1.4: $150+ on eBay

Then when budget allows:

- Sigma 8-16mm (Nikon mount): $650
- Metabones Speed Booster (Nikon to MFT): $430

-and/or-

- SLR Magic 12mm/T1.6 (MFT mount): $550

Now if you really want cheap, I picked up a couple of clean Nikon-mount zooms on eBay last week for less than $12 plus shipping:

- Kalimar 28-85mm/f3.5: $1.36
- Vivitar macro 70-150mm/f3.8: $10.50

Not expecting Zeiss-quality optics on these zooms...
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PostMon Jul 15, 2013 8:45 pm

Here is a list of m4/3 lenses I've compiled

http://bmcc.tv/lenses-for-the-pocket-camera/
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Re: Pocket BMCC four thirds lens mount.

PostTue Jul 16, 2013 2:35 am

You only need two lenses to start with and thankfully they're new so it would maximize the image quality of the pocket cam.

1. Metabones MFT to Nikon G (429$)

Lenses:

Sigma 8-16 = equivalent to 16-32 FOV ; so you got wide to mid portrait Fl covered. (649$)
Sigma 18-35 F1.8 = 36-70 FOV @ F1.2 ; So you got an overall lens at a fantastic aperture. (799$)


That's pretty muck enough to stary of, eventually when you need anythiong longer, buy a cheap Nikon to MFT adapter (99$) and your 18-35 becomes 54-105 F1.8 ; sweet mid to tele portrait lens.

So a total of 1,976$ for a massive bright and fast set of lenses is very affordable.
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PostTue Jul 16, 2013 11:57 am

If you want Zeiss, look for Tevidon C-mount lenses. They are still cheap since nobody seems to know them…
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