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Aputure Nova P300c RGBWW lights

PostFri Jul 24, 2020 4:26 am

This seems pretty interesting. A new generation of lights coming and the P300c is the first. $1,699 for the light and $1,899 if the hard case kit is included.

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Re: Aputure Nova P300c RGBWW lights

PostFri Jul 24, 2020 5:35 am

And some possible competition now matching the same price point: Luxli Taiko RGBAW LED light.

https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1479458-REG
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PostFri Jul 24, 2020 5:44 am

Would lights like these be ideal for producing accurate skin tones with the new sensor? Does it matter?
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PostFri Jul 24, 2020 12:44 pm

Are these their version of the Arri Skypanel?
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Re: Aputure Nova P300c RGBWW lights

PostFri Jul 24, 2020 12:46 pm

Que, the lights can dial in over a billion colours. They can match the temperature of other light or objects. their CRI and TCLI are only 95 and the SSI is 85, but that’s not the whole story compared to using them. Reviews currently are very light on showing how the light behaves when lighting various scenes; I assume in the next few weeks we’ll see more professional reviews. I suspect they could be more reliable than an ARRI Skypanel in terms of the accuracy of colour they generate. In spite of being announced long ago, the entire range of accessories are not ready or readily available as I understand it. Lux rating is not as high as the Luxli I also posted. But I think this is a light I would look at when buying lights both as soft fill or directed light.

Early days and according to one review, he was concerned that standard V-mount were not supported as Aputure offers their own solution I think; an adapter is needed to be able to use your own dual V-mount batteries.
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PostFri Jul 24, 2020 1:32 pm

I like it. I would like to see how it performs and will be looking for the reviews, but I like it enough to put it on my list.
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PostFri Jul 24, 2020 5:32 pm

Still awaiting our pre-order of two of them. Hopefully in the next week or two and I'll put some tests up.

I've seen footage of them out in the woods running via battery so presume there must be an easier solution than lugging their heavy power adapter thing around (it looks a bit like the ballast/control on their light storm range but with a battery on either side. I'd definitely look into rigging some kind of chest/back harness for power if that was the case!)
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Re: Aputure Nova P300c RGBWW lights

PostFri Jul 24, 2020 7:15 pm

Edward, I believe they’re supposed to offer an adapter so you can put V-mount on the back of the light somehow, but you need two batteries to get to 24VDC.

Good news that you’re getting a pair. Life is just so much better with two. Eager to see how you use them. Good luck getting them sooner than later.
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Re: Aputure Nova P300c RGBWW lights

PostFri Jul 24, 2020 8:46 pm

Yeah, I was wondering because it’s and rgbw light and the sensor is rgbw?
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Re: Aputure Nova P300c RGBWW lights

PostFri Jul 24, 2020 8:52 pm

Very different though. The light has LEDs designed to produce red, green, blue, daylight, and tungsten type light. By blending the colours you can more easily replicate any other light source and time of day.

On the other hand the 12K sensor has red, green, blue and an equal number of clear filters primarily for luminance sensitivity.
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Re: Aputure Nova P300c RGBWW lights

PostFri Jul 24, 2020 9:03 pm

Damn, it sounds like a sensor.
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Re: Aputure Nova P300c RGBWW lights

PostSat Jul 25, 2020 6:49 am

Stepping up the voltage to what is needed is easy task for any LED light developer. The chalange might be the power reguired. V-Lock batteries have typically 5A fuse, so max 60W output per battery.

Some electric lawn mover battery or electric bike battery could be great for LED lights. They are higher capacity, more current and less expensive per Wh

rick.lang wrote:Edward, I believe they’re supposed to offer an adapter so you can put V-mount on the back of the light somehow, but you need two batteries to get to 24VDC.

Good news that you’re getting a pair. Life is just so much better with two. Eager to see how you use them. Good luck getting them sooner than later.
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Re: Aputure Nova P300c RGBWW lights

PostSat Jul 25, 2020 2:53 pm

Kim, my Cinegears 250Wh is 16.75Ah. Not sure of the maximum current draw it supports directly. The D-tap 12VDC may be limited to 5 amps, but I think the direct connection goes higher. Would need two of them per Aputure P300c though.
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PostSat Jul 25, 2020 4:37 pm

It seems to accept 24 to 48V, so that expesially would make it reasonably easy to use with some suitable 500W lawn mover battery, those cost around 300 euro and charger less than 100 euro. Connecting it would though reguire some DIY and the battery should have over discharge protection.

250W V-lock battery could very well have more than 5A output. also maybe the P300c has max power limiting?

Not sure what is the max power consumption but found this

https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/ ... l/overview

Fixture draws only 360W
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360 W is still a lot for 2 v-lock batteries. it would require 15A at max power. the 16.75 Ah is just the capasity of the battery, so at full power they would last a bit more than an hour, if they can provide 15A continuous current.
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Re: Aputure Nova P300c RGBWW lights

PostSat Jul 25, 2020 4:55 pm

A light at 24 volts would draw 15 amps. They say you must use two batteries, so if the voltage is added, then 360 watts divided by 24 volts would be 7.5 amps from each battery. So two of my large batteries might last two hours.
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PostSat Jul 25, 2020 8:15 pm

ah, no

Power = Voltage x Current, so 360W = 24V x 15A

but as the start voltage is much higher than the end voltage that is about 12V and you have 16,75 Ah, so you will get a bit more than an hour.

Other way to see is your batteries are said to be 250Wh, so two of them would be 500Wh, so ideally you would get 1,38 h = 1 h 22 min, but based the 16,75Ah I do not think your batteries are quite 250W as that would mean the avarage voltage would be 250Wh/16.75Ah = 14,9V That is quite high avarage for V-Lock battery, normally they are around 16V when full and 12V when empty. (max voltage should be 16.8V) nominal typically is 14.4V

So my guess is you would get about 1 h 15 min at max 360W power, if your batteries are in very good condition. Likely you would not use the max power though. that also probably depends of the selected colour, so probaly all LED full on is 360W, just guessing.

rick.lang wrote:A light at 24 volts would draw 15 amps. They say you must use two batteries, so if the voltage is added, then 360 watts divided by 24 volts would be 7.5 amps from each battery. So two of my large batteries might last two hours.
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PostSat Jul 25, 2020 8:28 pm

D’oh! So the two batteries get me to 24 volts but they’ll both be drained of their charge in about an hour.
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PostMon Jul 27, 2020 7:13 am

just found this

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PostMon Jul 27, 2020 5:02 pm

One modest concern I have is the placement of the yoke below the light so if the light was rotated to point downwards, it looks like the yoke will cause a shadow. The Skypanel has the light hanging below the yoke to avoid that issue.

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Or maybe it’s as simple as hanging the light upside-down when point down further.
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Re: Aputure Nova P300c RGBWW lights

PostWed Jul 29, 2020 11:43 am

Well, they're here, they're bright, they're loud and I'm going to be spending most of my days doing this for the foreseeable:

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PostWed Jul 29, 2020 11:45 am

By loud are you talking about the fans?
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PostWed Jul 29, 2020 12:06 pm

jallen0 wrote:By loud are you talking about the fans?

I am. There's an option for 'auto fan' which I presume powers them on when needed but I figure I'm at home playing with them so for a bit of longevity they can be on full blast. That said I'll do some tests about how long it takes them to kick in at certain environmental temps. Would be a pain to have them kick in midway through an interview :D I suspect over time they'll kick in faster (dust / heat damage etc.)

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PostWed Jul 29, 2020 12:17 pm

Thanks for the thoughts. I have this on my list to get, looking forward to it. Interested in seeing what people do with it from a creative point of view.
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Re: Aputure Nova P300c RGBWW lights

PostWed Jul 29, 2020 1:33 pm

Edward, great you have received the new Nova P300c. Does this Auto fan option mean that the light only comes brightest when you’re light keeps as cool as it’s safe before the fan becomes an issue? So you might have a limited level of light normally when getting the shoot ready and then have a predefined level quickly set the desired wait just as we run sound ready and camera ready?
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PostWed Jul 29, 2020 2:06 pm

rick.lang wrote:Edward, great you have received the new Nova P300c. Does this Auto fan option mean that the light only comes brightest when you’re light keeps as cool as it’s safe before the fan becomes an issue? So you might have a limited level of light normally when getting the shoot ready and then have a predefined level quickly set the desired wait just as we run sound ready and camera ready?


There doesn't appear to be any change in brightness when switching between full power and auto so I suspect they'll kick in when they need to in order to maintain performance - time will tell. At least it won't be like various cameras du jour and just switch itself off when it reaches cooking temp : )

In other news, I've now set up Sidus. The gel presets are brilliant. The source match is very fun (though tricky to nail but certainly gets you in the ballpark). I can see these being a great for colourful interviews when called for.

https://vimeo.com/442716524/f35f13a1c1

My biggest gripe is the weight - I got the 'kit' versions with rolling cases. Thankfully the cases are heavy duty as I've already gouged a chunk out of one trying to lift it up a flimsy ladder into my attic where I have an office of sorts. The other is staying downstairs for now : )
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Re: Aputure Nova P300c RGBWW lights

PostTue May 11, 2021 4:16 am

Ed,

Do you experience I high pitched sound at higher intensity? I just received my unit today and there is a very audible high pitch noise coming from the unit. It is not fan noise. It seems to only occur between 4500 and 5500 Kelvin.

https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1iGMR0zK-apbV_7mhhhzZGGqaCARfhFA5?usp=sharing

There doesn't appear to be any change in brightness when switching between full power and auto so I suspect they'll kick in when they need to in order to maintain performance - time will tell. At least it won't be like various cameras du jour and just switch itself off when it reaches cooking temp : )

In other news, I've now set up Sidus. The gel presets are brilliant. The source match is very fun (though tricky to nail but certainly gets you in the ballpark). I can see these being a great for colourful interviews when called for.

https://vimeo.com/442716524/f35f13a1c1

My biggest gripe is the weight - I got the 'kit' versions with rolling cases. Thankfully the cases are heavy duty as I've already gouged a chunk out of one trying to lift it up a flimsy ladder into my attic where I have an office of sorts. The other is staying downstairs for now : )[/quote]
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Re: Aputure Nova P300c RGBWW lights

PostTue May 11, 2021 9:34 am

robertmanningjr wrote:Ed,

Do you experience I high pitched sound at higher intensity? I just received my unit today and there is a very audible high pitch noise coming from the unit. It is not fan noise. It seems to only occur between 4500 and 5500 Kelvin.

https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1iGMR0zK-apbV_7mhhhzZGGqaCARfhFA5?usp=sharing



Yes! I don't on the units I have now but I had to send one of them back to Aputure which was a pain.

It's exactly as you described in those ranges though I discovered it more by playing around with gels. They said they couldn't replicate it but quickly agreed to an RMA and sent me a replacement which doesn't have the same issues.

This was the video I sent them: https://vimeo.com/449218184/fd13eb8cd7
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PostTue May 11, 2021 11:08 pm

Ed_Mantle wrote:... They said they couldn't replicate it but quickly agreed to an RMA and sent me a replacement which doesn't have the same issues…


Good to know it may not be a common issue but I’m sure they were aware of it whether or not their test units had an issue.
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PostSun May 16, 2021 1:55 am

Yup, that's it. Now I am a little concerned. Aputure got back to me and said they have never heard of my problem before. They instructed me to take it back to B&H where I bought it and said it would be faster to get a replacement that way. However, B&H is out of stock for the next 2-4 weeks and I'm number 29 in the que.

When I asked Aputure to help with expediting the replacement I got crickets. The guy at B&H was concerned too and asked me if this is a known problem.

We shall see. Thanks again for the reply and the video.

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robertmanningjr wrote:Ed,

Do you experience I high pitched sound at higher intensity? I just received my unit today and there is a very audible high pitch noise coming from the unit. It is not fan noise. It seems to only occur between 4500 and 5500 Kelvin.

https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1iGMR0zK-apbV_7mhhhzZGGqaCARfhFA5?usp=sharing



Yes! I don't on the units I have now but I had to send one of them back to Aputure which was a pain.

It's exactly as you described in those ranges though I discovered it more by playing around with gels. They said they couldn't replicate it but quickly agreed to an RMA and sent me a replacement which doesn't have the same issues.

This was the video I sent them: https://vimeo.com/449218184/fd13eb8cd7
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PostSun May 16, 2021 7:27 pm

robertmanningjr wrote:Yup, that's it. Now I am a little concerned. Aputure got back to me and said they have never heard of my problem before. They instructed me to take it back to B&H where I bought it and said it would be faster to get a replacement that way. However, B&H is out of stock for the next 2-4 weeks and I'm number 29 in the que.

When I asked Aputure to help with expediting the replacement I got crickets. The guy at B&H was concerned too and asked me if this is a known problem.

We shall see. Thanks again for the reply and the video.

Rob


Disappointing to hear - my experience with Aputure was good but I was speaking to the EU team and maybe they don't communicate well between regions. They did actually send me back to the dealer for a replacement but stock was faster. There were a few days between emails from Aputure (as though they only work half a week or something) but when they did respond they were very helpful and proactive. Crossing fingers you get it sorted but feel free to share the link and that Aputure EU know about it as a known issue.

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