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Why I Bought the Original BMPCC (again) in 2020 - Video

PostMon Jul 27, 2020 12:26 pm

Hey guys,

I bought back my original bmpcc and I just wanted to make a video explaining why I decided to do this, in 2020.


I know it doesn’t really make sense financially or even for content, especially since I own the bmpcc6k.
And with newly announcement cameras like the Eos R5 it makes even less sense to get a camera like this.

Curious to know if you guys thought about buying the OG BMPCC again as well ?

Let me know if you have any questions.

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I totally understand.
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Leon Benzakein wrote:Welcome back to the "dark" side.


Hahaha !!
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PostMon Jul 27, 2020 7:11 pm

Amazing to see the OG Pocket next to the 6K "Pocket"!
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PostMon Jul 27, 2020 7:39 pm

The BMPCC4k is my first BMD camera, but since I bought it, I've picked up 2 og BMPCCs and convinced a client to buy the 4.6k.

Unfortunately, both the BMPCCs I got had faults that hindered the joy I could get out of them. The final results were always gorgeous, but for me a camera is more than the image, it needs to be fun and inspiring to shoot with, and due to the issues mine had, that part was sadly lost.

That said, I did enjoy my brief time with them, and feel that wanting to pick them up after using the BMPCC4k is a testament. I'm still half looking out for a good deal, but I've also picked up a Canon EOSm. With Magic Lantern, and shooting in the 1080p mode, it gives me everything the BMPCC could give (raw wise, no ProRes), but with batter battery life, plenty of feature updates through ML and better preamps on the mic input.
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PostMon Jul 27, 2020 10:48 pm

Steve Holmlund wrote:Amazing to see the OG Pocket next to the 6K "Pocket"!
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Haha I know right ?! Didn't realise the difference until I put them side by side.
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PostTue Jul 28, 2020 5:58 am

I'm still shooting with mine so no need to buy back. About to take it on a trip for one of the projects I've been working on long-term. Love it. Need a monitor though...
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PostTue Jul 28, 2020 8:36 am

Chris Leutger wrote:I'm still shooting with mine so no need to buy back. About to take it on a trip for one of the projects I've been working on long-term. Love it. Need a monitor though...


Haha you made the right decision to keep it.
Such a good travel cam. I took mine everywhere for years. The SmallHD Focus 5 is a great fit for it :).
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Or just a loupe.
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PostTue Jul 28, 2020 1:24 pm

I'm still wanting to buy one, especially if I have to buy a Gh6. I was pushing for a pocket like camera 14 or so years ago, but people went FPGA, which makes it difficult at that size, by the time the pocket came out, we should have had cheaper 4k options using ASIC. However, it means a lot to me, as a vision of what was. It's like, my less than $100 pocket camcorder was just a cinema camera without a manual lens mount (and settable exposure, shutter and color) and usb pass along uncompressed or two frame, raw recording, for less than $100, but was stopped from being done by regular manufacturers. That's what could have been done in 2006. But, the pocket maybe the closest a manufacturer ever came back then, first. :)
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PostTue Jul 28, 2020 3:07 pm

You never forget your first. I still have mine and can't seem to part with it.
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PostTue Jul 28, 2020 5:59 pm

Regrets... I have a few... One of them was selling my original Pocket. I agree with everything in your video. It’s an emotional connection to the camera that is oddly different from any of the other cameras I own. It has a very special look. There are short comings, moiré from time to time, having to add power, but the image is really special. The good news is I sold it to a young filmmaker at a very good price including a Speedbooster. She is loving it. So it continues to live and work in good hands.

Sentimentality aside, the 4K and the 6K have opened incredible creative opportunities as well. They play very nicely with my UM 4.6K, but I am finding more and more that for most projects the Pockets do everything I need in a nice small package.

I still have the BMCC and the BMCP 4K. Both have their own unique image personality as well.

In the end they are creative tools.

Like you, I also started making movies with the 5D. Loved the look, but when I discovered Davinci Resolve and all the flexibility of working with Raw files using BM cameras, I was hooked. BM has never stopped innovating and making great tools for the craft. They are heading in the right direction in my opinion and now with the new sensor in the 12K, BRaw, gen 5 color science and Resolve they have created a complete eco system where creatives can master the medium and deliver their best creative expression.

Is BM perfect? No such thing. Do I continue to be amazed at how well they understand what’s important to indie filmmakers like me? Absolutely!

In the meantime I enjoy all the stuff you have posted on Of Two Lands. Great inspiration. Keep up the good work.


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PostTue Jul 28, 2020 6:51 pm

I recently revisited the battery situation. I always had the BM-branded versions (800mAh) and barely got 30 minutes out of them, if that.

Discovered that:
latest Nikon EN-EL20a (1110mAh - $50) gives me close to 1 hour.
Wasabi BRT ENEL20 (1200mAh - $10-ish or 2 for $25 with dual charger) provides about 45 minutes.

at room temperature.

My BM-branded versions had also swelled but as they were quite old I can't hold that against them.

I got two each of the Nikons and Watsons and am surprised at how much that has improved my enjoyment of using the camera. I know Florent showed the cheap battery plate solution in his video but I like the compactness of the original form factor.
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EDIT: I meant Wasabi, NOT Watson. Still very cheap
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PostTue Jul 28, 2020 7:45 pm

Steve Holmlund wrote:I recently revisited the battery situation. I always had the BM-branded versions (800mAh) and barely got 30 minutes out of them, if that.
Discovered that:
latest Nikon EN-EL20a (1110mAh - $50) gives me close to 1 hour.


That's amazing, thanks for that! I was never able to get more than 15 minutes out of the original BMD or Wasabi batteries; I currently use the Tilta NP-F battery plate but having a longer-lasting internal battery would be a cleaner and simpler solution. I'll check these out.
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Norman Lang wrote:Regrets... I have a few... One of them was selling my original Pocket. I agree with everything in your video. It’s an emotional connection to the camera that is oddly different from any of the other cameras I own. It has a very special look. There are short comings, moiré from time to time, having to add power, but the image is really special. The good news is I sold it to a young filmmaker at a very good price including a Speedbooster. She is loving it. So it continues to live and work in good hands.

Sentimentality aside, the 4K and the 6K have opened incredible creative opportunities as well. They play very nicely with my UM 4.6K, but I am finding more and more that for most projects the Pockets do everything I need in a nice small package.

I still have the BMCC and the BMCP 4K. Both have their own unique image personality as well.

In the end they are creative tools.

Like you, I also started making movies with the 5D. Loved the look, but when I discovered Davinci Resolve and all the flexibility of working with Raw files using BM cameras, I was hooked. BM has never stopped innovating and making great tools for the craft. They are heading in the right direction in my opinion and now with the new sensor in the 12K, BRaw, gen 5 color science and Resolve they have created a complete eco system where creatives can master the medium and deliver their best creative expression.

Is BM perfect? No such thing. Do I continue to be amazed at how well they understand what’s important to indie filmmakers like me? Absolutely!

In the meantime I enjoy all the stuff you have posted on Of Two Lands. Great inspiration. Keep up the good work.


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Thanks so much for the positive feedback, means a lot !!

There is definitely something special about the look and feel of the og bmpcc, but I do love my bmpcc6k for work. Both amazing cameras for sure.

Can't wait to see what they come up with next :).
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PostWed Jul 29, 2020 9:54 am

Ah, the original Pocket. Such a great idea, a small broadcast/Cinema camera that did basic things. A great sensor, good choice of MFT lenses, a form factor dictated by size and use, which I never liked, but oh for a small EVF as well! And that sound was awful. I still use mine and have recently ordered some new batteries for it. The 'Pocket' monkier really suited it, unlike the 4K and 6K that followed. The video really does show the bloated siblings.

Personally I really hope that BMD go back to something as small and simple as the original.

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PostWed Jul 29, 2020 3:13 pm

I love the OG pocket.

So small.

Such a great look.

My favourite way to shoot with it is NAKED. Just the camera and a lens.

Bah to anyone that says the screen isn't useable.

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If I shot naked, I would be too worried I'd accidentally shoot something


Which camera was photographing you there John?Excellent colour, and composition want good too, who ever it was.
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Brad Hurley wrote:
Steve Holmlund wrote:I recently revisited the battery situation. I always had the BM-branded versions (800mAh) and barely got 30 minutes out of them, if that.
Discovered that:
latest Nikon EN-EL20a (1110mAh - $50) gives me close to 1 hour.


That's amazing, thanks for that! I was never able to get more than 15 minutes out of the original BMD or Wasabi batteries; I currently use the Tilta NP-F battery plate but having a longer-lasting internal battery would be a cleaner and simpler solution. I'll check these out.


Brad,
Sorry! I meant Wasabi 1200mAh, not the Watson. I corrected my post above. Maybe the Wasabi's I have are redesigned. I noticed them because of their 1200mAh rating.
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PostFri Jul 31, 2020 10:39 pm

Florent,

A man of two lands, let me post this for you.

Why I love the BMPCC.

This video.

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Leon Benzakein wrote:Florent,

A man of two lands, let me post this for you.

Why I love the BMPCC.

This video.



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Leon Benzakein wrote:Florent,

A man of two lands, let me post this for you.

Why I love the BMPCC.

This video.



But, can the 12k match this at full resolution, that us a question.

Thanks from me too Leon. If only it had fullhd 50fps, I could have had one back then.
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Leon Benzakein wrote:Florent,

A man of two lands, let me post this for you.

Why I love the BMPCC.

This video.


Thanks, that looks great. Love it. Funny, I see people posting videos with the P2K all the time on reddit and they have an intangible something that overcomes whatever faults they may have.
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Steve Holmlund wrote:Amazing to see the OG Pocket next to the 6K "Pocket"!
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Only one of them is a true "pocket" camera!
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Remember the good old days?
Ah, good times!

Came across this recently.
How the world was innocent.

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Leon Benzakein wrote:Remember the good old days?
Ah, good times!

Came across this recently.
How the world was innocent.



Haha, this is great !!
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Hello, the original bmpcc is my first and only camera. I started shooting in Prores first, but I recently started using CDNG. I do not wish to sound like a broken record by saying that I am in love with the image, but I am. Can anyone explain to me why the image stands up and side by side with the 4k variant? What is the secret sauce?
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It may be due in large part to the two sensors being from different manufacturers. Not sure but the BMCC and the BMPCC had a certain richness or depth to the colour where some clips could be outstandingly ‘cinematic.’ Sure there’s differences in the Colour Science from then to now, but it seems to me there was some quality difference in the sensors’ response that shows in the final images. The photosite well is larger at 6.5 microns and that may help the result look better within the camera’s limits. Certainly having a photosite at 8 microns hasn’t hurt the ARRI cameras.
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virgil21 wrote:Hello, the original bmpcc is my first and only camera. I started shooting in Prores first, but I recently started using CDNG. I do not wish to sound like a broken record by saying that I am in love with the image, but I am. Can anyone explain to me why the image stands up and side by side with the 4k variant? What is the secret sauce?


The sensor of the original Pocket has dual gain and a certain nice color science (similar to arri sensor). Blackmagic Design should have kept the fairchild sensors instead of switching to sony. It's a big mistake Blackmagic design made and that's not just my opinion. see an example https://www.eoshd.com/comments/topic/52 ... sony-look/ there are always those who say the same thing.
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lee4ever wrote:The sensor of the original Pocket has dual gain and a certain nice color science (similar to arri sensor). Blackmagic Design should have kept the fairchild sensors instead of switching to sony. It's a big mistake Blackmagic design made and that's not just my opinion. see an example https://www.eoshd.com/comments/topic/52 ... sony-look/
Most of what is written in that thread is a misunderstanding of how digital imaging works. The default look of a camera is just a set of manufacturer choices about color processing that can be totally changed in post, not some inherent quality of the sensor itself. Within the noise and dynamic range limits of the sensor plus the limits of the codec, as long as the images are properly exposed, the look of what you see on screen is down to the choices made and skill employed in post processing.
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Jamie LeJeune wrote: The default look of a camera is just a set of manufacturer choices about color processing that can be totally changed in post, not some inherent quality of the sensor itself.



I'm not sure I'd agree with that.

For starters there's a LOT that can be customised in the sensor package itself. You can see this from the fact that some sensor families get used in a lot of different brand cameras and yet yield different results.

Not only that but other customisations like the CFA itself, which is literally coloured filters. These can be changed, altered, having different values. This will GREATLY affect the end result. Many people that claim to LOVE the CCD Look, probably really just love the Kodak specified CFA that was on a lot of those CCD sensors used in earlier cinema cameras.

Then there's sensors like the dual gain sensor of the BMD camera. That is two seperate images that have to be combined. Those images have overlapping sensitivity so you don't just mush them together and hope for the best. They spend a lot of time finessing the way the images are sandwiched together so you the end user can't SEE those transitions in the image from high going to low gain.

One of the reasons they designed their own sensor was that I know that the dual gain sensors in particular took a HUGE amount of time to dial in for this very reason. Every new iteration they'd have to start again and it takes a lot of time and resources.

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PostFri May 14, 2021 11:01 pm

That’s all great info. Thank you JB. I don’t mean to diminish the hard work BMD does to get the most out of the hardware.
I spend a ton of my time on color jobs matching cameras of totally different makes + models, and it seems to me that what people in that thread were stating as the “look” of particular camera brands is more about the manufacturer default post processing, rather than inherent attributes of the hardware itself. I didn’t mean to imply that the hardware and its tuning was all the same though.
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raw or more latitude in colors, doesn't seem to be everything. Because you can't replace the sensel and dual gain with it. I think arri's guiding principle; better sensel with higher quality rather than more sensel is in this case something that also applies to fairchild?

I don't know. I really read about it a lot. So the first cameras from Blackmagic have something that our eyes, more beautiful, better or more cinematic perceive. It also can not be imagination, because the claim comes from different sources, from people who do not know each other, write or say the same thing. Yesterday I discovered this: https://www.eoshd.com/comments/topic/35 ... l-matters/

I think if blackmagic would release a new camera with a fairchild sensor, the interest would be very very big :D
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I heard that the Fairchild sensors in the BMCC and original BMPCC has been discontinued.
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I received my rawlite OLPF today and the first tests are very good :) You will be thrilled! Hans Hijmering has done a great job there (by the way, a very nice correct guy :) ). I can recommend rawlite to everyone. It costs a little, but be sure, your image will always be better. You will also notice a very effective IR cut when using ND and in tungsten light.
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Re: Why I Bought the Original BMPCC (again) in 2020 - Video

PostMon May 17, 2021 10:56 am

lee4ever wrote:I received my rawlite OLPF today and the first tests are very good :) You will be thrilled! Hans Hijmering has done a great job there (by the way, a very nice correct guy :) ). I can recommend rawlite to everyone. It costs a little, but be sure, your image will always be better. You will also notice a very effective IR cut when using ND and in tungsten light.


yes, hans do a very good job
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