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Bmpcc Form factor

PostFri Sep 24, 2021 10:29 am

Hello folks !
and BlackMagic engineering team :)

First, i'd like to say that i'm extremely satisfied with pocket cinema line overall.
The colors, dynamic range, frame rates, accesability of the interface, CODEC(!!!) is a pure love and many other advantages for the price it have. Since i bought my first pocket 4k i sold all of my other cameras and switched completely on BM even for reportage and documentary work.

But there is one thing that gives me lemons, it's a form factor :D im sure that im not the only person who drops bmpcc on ronin s or rs2 and it would be absolutely amazing IF you concider creating something with more cubic design as red comodo or zcam. In my entire career i never used the hand grip of BM it's living in the cage and i'm using additional handles with external screens. I'm sure im not the only one who thinks that cubic style is more efficient in terms of grip.

I'd like to hear other opinions and maybe the engineering team will say "hey chill, we're working on it"

i hope you all having a great day ! :)
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Re: Bmpcc Form factor

PostFri Sep 24, 2021 6:46 pm

Definitely not the only one. I'd love a BM version of the Komodo, particularly for the global shutter. I'd say to keep it simple and relatively affordable, i.e. no monitor or audio (maybe an internal or a mic plug for scratch.) Put a super 35 or even ff sensor with in-body I.S. and that would be THE cube cam.
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Re: Bmpcc Form factor

PostSun Sep 26, 2021 4:38 am

100% agree
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Re: Bmpcc Form factor

PostSun Sep 26, 2021 8:24 am

The form factor I would like to see :D :) ;)


3D model https://p3d.in/uAGHy

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Re: Bmpcc Form factor

PostTue Sep 28, 2021 9:42 pm

Coming from and mainly using Red I was also some what skeptical of the form factor.

But working with BMPCC for few months, I actually don’t mind it. Perfect for out of the box camera! No need for any Handels or rigging. Grab and shot. ;)

But I can imagine if they would do redesign it will probably come with a cost or a adaption of their Micro Cinema Camera.


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Re: Bmpcc Form factor

PostWed Sep 29, 2021 11:43 am

Kim Janson wrote:The form factor I would like to see :D :) ;)


3D model https://p3d.in/uAGHy

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nice work. I like the design. Is there a way to have the 3D model with textures in obj/fbx/blend format for download? It would be for non-commercial, personal use. Of course I understand if you do not want to share the model.
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Re: Bmpcc Form factor

PostWed Sep 29, 2021 3:59 pm

Kim Janson wrote:The form factor I would like to see :D :) ;)


3D model https://p3d.in/uAGHy

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That's exactly what I would like to add to my Blackmagic camera lineup.

I like the screen where you see the record info even when in the menu. That should be added to existing pocket cameras.
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Re: Bmpcc Form factor

PostWed Sep 29, 2021 7:12 pm

Thanks,

I give no rights, accept no responsibilities, the design STEP file is here is someone wants to play with it for personal use.

https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/ ... sp=sharing

The model has many elements I copied somewhere, and then modified. The camera is from micro camera model, the handle was some model I downloaded and modified,The lens is not by me, etc.

It was never meant to be anything else than a fast mockup for fun. Or well, it contains couple of ideas I hope the camera manufacturers would take into use in addition to the clearly visible ones.

- It supports the URSA mini lens mounting system.
- The handle has all the buttons, camera has only touch screen
- Handle or computer connection is needed to power the camera, camera does not have a battery
- There is 2 x 18650 battery on handle and M2 SSD
- The camera fully works with single USB C connection to computer, there is SW to support.
- The handle can be used with any BMD camera that has USB C connection.
- The handle holds all the camera settings. if handle is attached to different camera, the settings follow.
- The camera has so strong attachment points that no gage is needed. i.e it has an internal gage ;)
(See on the model, the cooling fin extends to connection points and plenty of attachment points. This helps also to conduct heat.)
- There is 4 USB C ports + 5 one under the flip screen for the additional module.
- The USB C connectors go into the body and preferably have some kind of lock mechanism. This way the cable start right from the body, and the connector can take sideways pull.
- Everything is connected with USB C, everything, even audio.
- Audio, High quality audio, timecode, SDI, HDMI etc. USB C modules are available.
- A smartphone or iPad with USB C can be used as monitor, it also works seamlessly as high quality camera for them.
- USB C version of the BMD viewfinder.
- the back screen is mainly for the settings, It has also video monitoring, could maybe flip up, but not sure if that is needed.
- full menu navigation is possible without touching the screen, using the handle buttons. This is handy with a loupe.
-Edit: just realised, it should of course have tally light like micro cameras have, but in addition the up flipped screen could show camera number and act as better visible, more informative tally light.

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Additional battery, connector and memory module
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Phil999 wrote:
Kim Janson wrote:The form factor I would like to see :D :) ;)


3D model https://p3d.in/uAGHy

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nice work. I like the design. Is there a way to have the 3D model with textures in obj/fbx/blend format for download? It would be for non-commercial, personal use. Of course I understand if you do not want to share the model.
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Re: Bmpcc Form factor

PostThu Sep 30, 2021 3:31 am

Kim Janson wrote:The form factor I would like to see :D :) ;)


3D model https://p3d.in/uAGHy

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Mate that's awesome! Nice work.
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Re: Bmpcc Form factor

PostThu Sep 30, 2021 5:21 am

GalinMcMahon wrote:Definitely not the only one. I'd love a BM version of the Komodo, particularly for the global shutter. I'd say to keep it simple and relatively affordable, i.e. no monitor or audio (maybe an internal or a mic plug for scratch.) Put a super 35 or even ff sensor with in-body I.S. and that would be THE cube cam.

+1 here. I have posted so many times asking for this. Let’s say goodbye to the DSLR form factor and get on the box form factor like the Komodo. Take the internals of the pocket 6K pro for starters and put it inside a box form factor. You can much do away with that screen and drop the price. Put a EF and adaptable PL mount on it.
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Re: Bmpcc Form factor

PostThu Sep 30, 2021 7:30 am

Now im sure im not the onlyone here :D Thank you all for support, we are users and we must have a power to choose ;) amazing work with the rernders !

The more we talk about it, the more there is a chance that we get what we want :)
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Re: Bmpcc Form factor

PostThu Sep 30, 2021 11:32 am

thank you very much Kim. Also very good concept with USB C, modules, handle. Brilliant.
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Re: Bmpcc Form factor

PostFri Oct 01, 2021 5:22 pm

Great concept. I would definitely prefer that with the exception that I would want the screen to flip back not forward. If you could flip it up and rotate it that would be ideal.
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