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Drone for filmmaking

PostSun Nov 01, 2020 7:59 pm

Hi guys

I wanted to get a drone for some indie filmmaking, but not really impressed with some of the prosumer drones footage I've seen on YouTube.

Anyone knows of a good drone for filmmaking that doesn't break the bank? Maybe a drone that could fly a micro cinema camera...

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A Mavic Pro 2 all in will run between $1500 - $2200 and it's one of the best at that pricing. If you want to carry a camera then you are jumping up past the $6000 numbers.
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PostMon Nov 02, 2020 10:53 am

The Mavic Air 2 is quite good for the price. In hi-con situations, I would not use the D-Cinelike profile, which is hard to grade from 8 bit, but the so-called HDR. Tell me if you need examples.

Its 4K (actually UHD) looks quite good when downsampled since the bitrate is good. And then, it can do photos and Hyperlapse in RAW (DNG). Resolve is taking such sequences without a hitch.
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Re: Drone for filmmaking

PostMon Nov 02, 2020 11:09 am

A lot of the footage you see from prosumer drones will be shot with 'out of the box' settings so often looks over sharpened and over saturated, not to mention shot with odd shutter speeds from not using ND's when needed.

In the case of the Mavic 2 pro, if you shoot 10bit log, turn down the in-camera sharpening and grade it correcly it can look ok. Higher iso's might need a bit of noise reduction also.
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PostMon Nov 02, 2020 11:12 am

It really depends of your budget and what you want to archive. The DJI stuff is really good for the price and easy to use, so is iPhone, and both often good enough for many use.

We where developing drones 5 years ago and some moves on this video are still impossible with modern drones (all moves are directly from camera, no post editing or stabilisation on the moves)




The camera on video was GoPro 4 I think, we where palanning to use Micro Cinema camera.

But then there was no drone business for other than low cost, good enough. We do not fit that category.
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Re: Drone for filmmaking

PostTue Nov 03, 2020 4:36 am

david evans wrote:Hi guys

I wanted to get a drone for some indie filmmaking, but not really impressed with some of the prosumer drones footage I've seen on YouTube.

Anyone knows of a good drone for filmmaking that doesn't break the bank? Maybe a drone that could fly a micro cinema camera...

Thanks

I own 2 of the typhoon H pro drones. The CGO3 camera is actually quite good. It is all in how you use it and not falling prey to being satisfied with the camera being in the air.
The Mavic pro2 has a good quality shot but I don’t think it is as good as the CGO3 camera and the newer cameras that Yuneec is using are better than what I have. There are pros and cons with both platforms but the Yuneec would have been a much more popular drone if the owner had not messed around and got caught leaving the business to his ex wife and the attorney.
Mavic is a huge company but from what I understand, it cannot be used on military projects and or many government projects due to the way you get tracked through an insecure ap. If you do any sort of government contracting you better look into to that to see if it is still an issue. You’ll lose work if it is and you go Mavic.
Back to the typhoon... the versions I have has real sense and that sucks big time. The newer models preform much better I all ways.
I hope that helps a bit.
The reason I stayed with those two is because unless you want to put out 6,000 or more and take a chance with a very expensive camera, those are your choices. Even then, I have a guy I work with from time to time, lose his 70,000 dollar bird, with a thermal camera on it, due to a faulty software update. There was not a lot of profit for him that day! They all crash and I’d rather loose a lot less money when they do.
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Re: Drone for filmmaking

PostTue Nov 03, 2020 3:21 pm

DannyTaddei wrote:
david evans wrote:I own 2 of the typhoon H pro drones. The CGO3 camera is actually quite good. It is all in how you use it and not falling prey to being satisfied with the camera being in the air.
The Mavic pro2 has a good quality shot but I don’t think it is as good as the CGO3 camera and the newer cameras that Yuneec is using are better than what I have. There are pros and cons with both platforms but the Yuneec would have been a much more popular drone if the owner had not messed around and got caught leaving the business to his ex wife and the attorney.
Mavic is a huge company but from what I understand, it cannot be used on military projects and or many government projects due to the way you get tracked through an insecure ap. If you do any sort of government contracting you better look into to that to see if it is still an issue. You’ll lose work if it is and you go Mavic.
Back to the typhoon... the versions I have has real sense and that sucks big time. The newer models preform much better I all ways.
I hope that helps a bit.
The reason I stayed with those two is because unless you want to put out 6,000 or more and take a chance with a very expensive camera, those are your choices. Even then, I have a guy I work with from time to time, lose his 70,000 dollar bird, with a thermal camera on it, due to a faulty software update. There was not a lot of profit for him that day! They all crash and I’d rather loose a lot less money when they do.



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Well done, I would not be that brave or skilled.

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but I think this is one level higher ; -)




or a BMPCC 4k inside a FPV drone

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Re: Drone for filmmaking

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Thanks guys. Any suggestions between the mavic air 2 pro and the zoom?
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PostSun Nov 08, 2020 8:45 pm

david evans wrote:Thanks guys. Any suggestions between the mavic air 2 pro and the zoom?


the mavic air 2 has the more better camera than a mavic 2 zoom
the mavic 2 pro has a better camera than the mavic air 2
a phantom 4 pro has a better camera than a mavic 2 pro
the inspire2 X5 is a . . . .
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Let me ask about the Autel EVO II Pro vs the Mavic Pro. I think the picture quality is better on the Evo II Pro but ease of use is better with the Mavic Pro. Does anyone have real world experience with both of these drones?
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Sony is joining the party: https://www.dpreview.com/news/731443493 ... peak-brand

The DP Review story includes one of the patent drawings. Teaser released today:

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Re: Drone for filmmaking

PostTue Nov 10, 2020 2:17 pm

Mark Foster wrote:
david evans wrote:Thanks guys. Any suggestions between the mavic air 2 pro and the zoom?


the mavic air 2 has the more better camera than a mavic 2 zoom
the mavic 2 pro has a better camera than the mavic air 2
a phantom 4 pro has a better camera than a mavic 2 pro
the inspire2 X5 is a . . . .


Hi, I've also read the Phantom 4 pro v2.0 has the better camera but is it true that it only shoots 8-bit?? If this is true, the Mavic's 10-bit should have the edge here...
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robedge wrote:Sony is joining the party: https://www.dpreview.com/news/731443493 ... peak-brand

The DP Review story includes one of the patent drawings. Teaser released today:



Sony's dedicated page for the Airpeak drone: https://www.sony.net/SonyInfo/airpeak/
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PostMon Jan 18, 2021 4:12 pm

It's possible that the Airpeak will only work with Sony Alpha cameras.

Sony CEO introducing Airpeak at CES2021:'






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Re: Drone for filmmaking

PostSat Oct 16, 2021 6:57 am

Hey, what did you choose finally? To my mind, there are a lot of options from DJI(from beginners to pro models). They got perfect cameras and mobility. And the price matters also.
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PostSat Oct 23, 2021 2:25 pm

You not declare your budget, until that … only words and supposition
Declare your budget.
My suggest is to find a good drone pilot with a pro drone where you are, and you have best quality for best price every time.
Drive a drone is not a joke, especially if you go in bigger drone and pro drone. In Italy and not only It require license to fly, you need a assurance and more…
And to keep licence to fly at pro level you should fly xx hours per year.
If you talk about a small under 250 gr drone ok, if you go over check very well the law in your place. I had many friends that fly with drones from years (first from 2012), and is not a simple turn on and fly.


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Re: Drone for filmmaking

PostSat Nov 06, 2021 8:48 pm

Blackmagic needs to go ahead and release a Blackmagic Micro Cinema Camera 4k. I know there is a Blackmagic Micro Studio Camera 4k but that doesn't record.
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PostSun Nov 07, 2021 6:26 am

In addition to updating sensor, I would hope they would consider the suitability for gimbal instal, The current micro camera is not terribly bad on that regards, but could be better.

On marketing perspective this might look nice

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But it is actually not competitive at all for todays markets, and would not really work after installing the cables.



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Yes, that has very good integration of everything needed, at very affordable price.

The gimbal is not great, the drone is not great, but it all put together like that is good enough for most, and sets a price point to what the custom builds are compared to. To do better would be 10x the price + the camera and lens and it would miss many of the automatic features.

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Kim Janson wrote:Yes, that has very good integration of everything needed, at very affordable price.

$5K USD is not affordable. Drones are not used in every filmmaking events and not many pays well for drone images. Big budget films will just hire a pro drone team and they do not use a prosumer drone solution like the Mavic 3.
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PostMon Nov 08, 2021 4:47 am

DJI Inspire 1 4K RAW is now dirt cheap and very capable but batteries are hard to find.

I was Chief Pilot drone Cinematographer on 11th November 2020, shot this with EVO 2 Pro @4k/60,
Autel Evo 2 Pro was just released and I think I went on the shoot week later.
Had 3 other back up options but I thought it did well and it was very safe drone to fly with all obstacle avoidance technology.

Filmed at Maroubra Beach, Australia with all permits and licenses in place.

It is definitely capable ,I would not say it is cinema drone though.

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I do think $5K USD is very affordable for the performance it offers, and for those who can not afford it there is plenty of good much lower const alternatives from DJI.

Big productions for sure will be using drone teams also in future, currently still because of the technical performance also but in future more because of to get the shot it requires skills, someone who can actually fly the drone and has eye how to fly it for the wanted result, but also and probably mostly because of the related risks and responsibilities.

However, I would not be surprised these professional teams using Mavic 3 or 4 for some shots that require a small and agile drone. And sadly in few years I do think there will be only few truly professional teams that get hired for the big productions.

And even more sadly there will be plenty of filmmakers with attitude we can see on these Mavic 3 reviews "where is the drone, so what it stays there for ever" (referring to 46 minute flight time) and "awesome it provides solid video up to 15 km"

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Kim Janson wrote:Yes, that has very good integration of everything needed, at very affordable price.

$5K USD is not affordable. Drones are not used in every filmmaking events and not many pays well for drone images. Big budget films will just hire a pro drone team and they do not use a prosumer drone solution like the Mavic 3.
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Kim Janson wrote:I do think $5K USD is very affordable for the performance it offers, and for those who can not afford it there is plenty of good much lower const alternatives from DJI.

Big productions for sure will be using drone teams also in future, currently still because of the technical performance also but in future more because of to get the shot it requires skills, some one who can actually fly the drone and has eye how to fly it for the wanted result, but also and probably mostly because of the related risks and responsibilities.

However, I would not be surprised these professional teams using Mavic 3 or 4 for some shots that require a small and agile drone. And sadly in few years I do think there will be only few truly professional teams that get hired for the big productions.

And even more sadly there will be plenty of filmmakers with attitude we can see on these Mavic 3 reviews "where is the drone, so what it says there for ever" and "awesome it provides solid video up to 15 km"

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Kim Janson wrote:Yes, that has very good integration of everything needed, at very affordable price.

$5K USD is not affordable. Drones are not used in every filmmaking events and not many pays well for drone images. Big budget films will just hire a pro drone team and they do not use a prosumer drone solution like the Mavic 3.


I think used Inspire 2 is lot better option for the money.
On Mavic 3 you are stuck with f2.8 lens, on m4/3 sensor.
It is excellent drone but I also think expensive for what it offers.

Inspire 2, even Inspire 1 RAW is better option for serious cinematographer.
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Darko Djerich wrote:
Kim Janson wrote:I do think $5K USD is very affordable for the performance it offers, and for those who can not afford it there is plenty of good much lower const alternatives from DJI.

Big productions for sure will be using drone teams also in future, currently still because of the technical performance also but in future more because of to get the shot it requires skills, some one who can actually fly the drone and has eye how to fly it for the wanted result, but also and probably mostly because of the related risks and responsibilities.

However, I would not be surprised these professional teams using Mavic 3 or 4 for some shots that require a small and agile drone. And sadly in few years I do think there will be only few truly professional teams that get hired for the big productions.

And even more sadly there will be plenty of filmmakers with attitude we can see on these Mavic 3 reviews "where is the drone, so what it says there for ever" and "awesome it provides solid video up to 15 km"

Ellory Yu wrote:[quote="Kim Janson"]Yes, that has very good integration of everything needed, at very affordable price.

$5K USD is not affordable. Drones are not used in every filmmaking events and not many pays well for drone images. Big budget films will just hire a pro drone team and they do not use a prosumer drone solution like the Mavic 3.


I think used Inspire 2 is lot better option for the money.
On Mavic 3 you are stuck with f2.8 lens, on m4/3 sensor.
It is excellent drone but I also think expensive for what it offers.

Inspire 2, even Inspire 1 RAW is better option for serious cinematographer.[/quote]I’m agree but don’t forget law, here in Italy you can fly with mavic with simple patent grab by internet test, never be with inspire that require to do a course and you should do exams to be enable to fly with drone over xxx size and weight. Mavic can be piloted from my nephew of 9 year, inspire require an approved pilot (I had two friends approved pilot with al three certification, basic, dangerous zone and instructor).
Is not only to have drone, but should able to fly with him. I don’t know in other place but here in Italy there are many restriction be cause people is stupid, two years ago a drone crash against San Marco Venice be cause guy is so stupid to fly without sensors (all Venice is no fly zone) and more stupid to go too near to San Marco Bell tower….


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I think we have the same regulations all over Europe now.
And, yes, an existing freedom is often getting taken away because of a few stupid people.
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PostTue Nov 09, 2021 3:41 am

The new Mavic 3 Cine is probably the best proposition right now.

Smaller drones will always be safer and can allow for better shots in confined conditions.

Given the prices that a professional drone crew with rig will cost on a daily basis, $5K for the Mavic 3 Cine isn't too bad a deal if you've got someone on team who can get up to speed with flying it.

Really demanding drone shots will still require a more elaborate rig with two operators (one to fly the drone and one to operate the camera) but it's amazing what can be done with something like the Mavic.
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PostThu Nov 11, 2021 11:30 am

Mavic 2 pro are fine drones with fine when shooting 10bit log, only limited control of the gimbal is not ideal for some shots.
The ideal drone is of course one with gimbal that offers 360 degree rotation and other unlimited control over gimbal moves with out the independent from the flight directions of the drone, and having separated controls for the pilot and camera operator is a huge plus.

I have Octo copter for such requirements (see picture below) X 8 would take less space then that one thought and planing one X-class for stunts but my Mavic 2 pro is my most used one because higher end is not always needed and are much more time consuming, so it is only a question about your needs really.
And now Mavic 3 Cine is really tempting.
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For anyone starting out with drones, in regards to flying safely and legally with little worry and ability
to get quality footage with very little investment while learning how to fly DJI Mini 2 drone should not be overlooked !

I just stumbled across this footage on YouTube, I think it will make anyone think twice about capability of this tiny but super friendly and impressive drone that also cope with wind like a champion while having lot less restrictions being sub 250 grams :
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Re: Drone for filmmaking

PostTue Nov 30, 2021 4:41 am

The only thing I don't like about these little ones is non-adjustable edge enhancer. Very obvious with dark edges against light background. Same with my Mavic Air 2. These are very capable drones nevertheless.
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