1.5X Anamorphic Desqueeze Option

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1.5X Anamorphic Desqueeze Option

PostSat Sep 03, 2022 11:06 pm

With the announcement of the new Atlas Mercury Anamorphic lenses I'm curious if there is a 1.5X Anamorphic Desqueeze option in the URSA Mini Pro models? I checked the UMPG2 and couldn't find it. 1.33X or 2X are the options. What about the 12K?

If it's not there, then my request is for a firmware update for all the models to include the option.

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Re: 1.5X Anamorphic Desqueeze Option

PostSat Sep 03, 2022 11:29 pm

I second this Tim. I’m liking the look of those mercury’s. I hope BM can put this in an upcoming firmware update.
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PostSun Sep 04, 2022 12:45 am

I support it! please add settings 1.5
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Re: 1.5X Anamorphic Desqueeze Option

PostTue Sep 06, 2022 4:14 am

Absolutely!
I knew the Blackmagic cameras had some kind of de-squeeze, but haven't had the privilege of shooting on anamorphic yet to dig in to that functionality. But seeing the Atlas Mercury, as well as Laowa's Nanomorph's all featuring 1.5x, and then reading in this thread that it isn't currently a de-squeeze option, I too am hoping to see this in a future update!

For the higher end Ursa/Atlas kind of crowd, it seems a lot of our feature requests don't make the dev team's priority list - perhaps, as has been suggested by others, because the user base and overall ROI for BM is lower in this market segment.

However, I predict the nanomorphs and pocket cameras will be a very popular combo over the next couple years. So perhaps there is hope for a firmware update to bring functionality to that demographic? I myself own a pocket 6k and an ursa g2, and am interested in the nanomorph as an introductory anamorphic lens to get my feet wet.

Finally, we are currently at firmware 7.9.2 I believe? It seems reasonable to assume that at some point there will be a firmware v8 to look forward to, and I wouldn't doubt that it would be a good place to put in something like a 1.5x desqueeze!

Here's to hoping!
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Re: 1.5X Anamorphic Desqueeze Option

PostTue Sep 06, 2022 4:44 am

Well, sadly the URSA Mini Pro G2 has been on Firmware 6.5.1 since August 28th, 2019. That's three years ago now. If there's any URSA Mini Pro updates coming up before V8 then it will be the last chance for the G2. The 12K (AKA the G3) will certainly get Firmware 8. Here's to hoping that both get 1.5X Desqueeze as an option.

There definitely is a divide between the Pockets and the URSA line. The Pockets definitely feel like they get more updates. But I'd rather the URSA line be built properly for the money. Sure I'd like new features added regularly, but as long as the cameras don't need a lot of firmware updates that means that the cameras were built well. Either way, I'd like to see some more love for the URSA line.

I have a feeling we'll be seeing new URSA cameras released soon however. The last major camera release in the URSA line was the UMP12K in July 2020. So we're due to see a new release within the next year.
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Re: 1.5X Anamorphic Desqueeze Option

PostWed Sep 07, 2022 12:31 am

I would like to see this in the URSA Mini Pro G2 firmware and hopefully other features long been over due like Gen 5 color science.
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PostWed Sep 07, 2022 10:29 am

Ellory Yu wrote:I would like to see this in the URSA Mini Pro G2 firmware and hopefully other features long been over due like Gen 5 color science.


That's nothing. Oliver Twist voice: ''please sir, can we have some Gen4 for Ursa Mini 4.6k? Or BRAW? No? Stick to gruel?'' hahaha.

I still hope.

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PostThu Sep 08, 2022 10:10 am

Would love this, and a 1.8x desqueeze too. Both while shooting in the full 16:9 sensor mode.

People are right to say the 1.5x Nanomorphs will be extremely popular in BM's target market, but I think Great Joy are set to give them a real run for their money with the freshly announced 1.8x 35mm having a constant squeeze factor.
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PostThu Sep 08, 2022 10:34 am

Chris Cronin wrote:Would love this, and a 1.8x desqueeze too. Both while shooting in the full 16:9 sensor mode.

People are right to say the 1.5x Nanomorphs will be extremely popular in BM's target market, but I think Great Joy are set to give them a real run for their money with the freshly announced 1.8x 35mm having a constant squeeze factor.


The Nanomorphs look nice on youtube. Shipping date is all over the place though and they don't respond to emails (even queries from their distributors). BH lists them as Dec 2022 (which probably means March...). They'll be super popular if they can actually ship them :).
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PostThu Sep 08, 2022 11:28 am

VMFXBV wrote:The Nanomorphs look nice on youtube. Shipping date is all over the place though and they don't respond to emails (even queries from their distributors). BH lists them as Dec 2022 (which probably means March...). They'll be super popular if they can actually ship them :).

Not super inspiring customer service, but in theory the IndieGoGo ones are shipping imminently!
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PostThu Sep 08, 2022 11:46 am

Chris Cronin wrote:
VMFXBV wrote:The Nanomorphs look nice on youtube. Shipping date is all over the place though and they don't respond to emails (even queries from their distributors). BH lists them as Dec 2022 (which probably means March...). They'll be super popular if they can actually ship them :).

Not super inspiring customer service, but in theory the IndieGoGo ones are shipping imminently!


Is that normal imminently or Blizzard Entertainment imminently? :roll: haha.
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PostThu Sep 08, 2022 8:25 pm

Chris Cronin wrote:Would love this, and a 1.8x desqueeze too. Both while shooting in the full 16:9 sensor mode.

People are right to say the 1.5x Nanomorphs will be extremely popular in BM's target market, but I think Great Joy are set to give them a real run for their money with the freshly announced 1.8x 35mm having a constant squeeze factor.


I had seen the Great Joy offering before, but not the 35mm 1.8x. Looks pretty cool!
That will be interesting to see if they become a real contender in the specialty lens market.
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PostFri Sep 09, 2022 8:03 am

VMFXBV wrote:Is that normal imminently or Blizzard Entertainment imminently? :roll: haha.

Uh... I'll get back to you on that. They've released a shimming tutorial for the PL/EF mount version, so surely they've done that in anticipation that people will be receiving theirs shortly.

My contribution status hasn't changed to "locked" yet and I'm a backer somewhere in the 230s/240s of 362. Could be a while before they start fulfilling these.

Some reviews are popping up on YouTube but I'm not sure if they're from people receiving their IndieGoGo orders or provided by Laowa themselves.

Daniel Rheaume wrote:I had seen the Great Joy offering before, but not the 35mm 1.8x. Looks pretty cool!

That will be interesting to see if they become a real contender in the specialty lens market.
Cheers!

I think they've got about as good a chance as anybody else. Their lenses are bigger and heavier than the Nanomorphs, but as an owner of the 1.8x 50mm, I just love the image despite what some would consider deficiencies. So much so that I might even buy a V2 with a consistent squeeze factor, now they appear to have fixed it for the 35mm... my bank balance weeps at the prospect.
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Re: 1.5X Anamorphic Desqueeze Option

PostFri Sep 09, 2022 3:54 pm

Chris Cronin wrote:
I think they've got about as good a chance as anybody else. Their lenses are bigger and heavier than the Nanomorphs, but as an owner of the 1.8x 50mm, I just love the image despite what some would consider deficiencies. So much so that I might even buy a V2 with a consistent squeeze factor, now they appear to have fixed it for the 35mm... my bank balance weeps at the prospect.


Are Great Joy delivering outside their indiegogo campaign? Dunno how I can write off indiegogo campaigns on my business account so I'm waiting for normal delivery through ''distributors''.
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PostSat Sep 10, 2022 10:11 am

VMFXBV wrote:Are Great Joy delivering outside their indiegogo campaign? Dunno how I can write off indiegogo campaigns on my business account so I'm waiting for normal delivery through ''distributors''.
Waiting on Laowa EF/PL as well.

I believe so, yes. You can buy the 50mm directly from their website right now, but you might be better waiting to see if they do a V2 with constant squeeze.
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PostSat Sep 10, 2022 10:45 am

Chris Cronin wrote:
VMFXBV wrote:Are Great Joy delivering outside their indiegogo campaign? Dunno how I can write off indiegogo campaigns on my business account so I'm waiting for normal delivery through ''distributors''.
Waiting on Laowa EF/PL as well.

I believe so, yes. You can buy the 50mm directly from their website right now, but you might be better waiting to see if they do a V2 with constant squeeze.


Yeah, will do that.
Still waiting on the Nanomorphs, when those come available I'll decide on a set.

Thanks for the info.
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Re: 1.5X Anamorphic Desqueeze Option

PostMon Sep 19, 2022 8:57 pm

My set of Nanomorph lenses arrived today (silver edition). They look beautiful through the viewfinder of the 12K. The name is fitting - they're small! Hopefully, a 1.5x de-squeeze firmware update is around the corner. With the Mercury lenses coming next year from Atlas, 1.5x will come in handy with this camera.

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PostFri Sep 23, 2022 8:41 am

Small update on Nanomorph shipping: https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/laow ... /updates/8

I understand some people *are* receiving theirs, but for the rest of us I think it'll be November.
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Chris Cronin wrote:Small update on Nanomorph shipping: https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/laow ... /updates/8

I understand some people *are* receiving theirs, but for the rest of us I think it'll be November.

Sorry for the double post, but I've been fortunate enough to have mine shipped and should receive them by about Monday. Will try to provide some impressions and whatnot when I've got them.

Will also be my first time having to shim a lens, so wish me luck...
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PostThu Oct 06, 2022 3:36 pm

Chris Cronin wrote:
Chris Cronin wrote:Small update on Nanomorph shipping: https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/laow ... /updates/8

I understand some people *are* receiving theirs, but for the rest of us I think it'll be November.

Sorry for the double post, but I've been fortunate enough to have mine shipped and should receive them by about Monday. Will try to provide some impressions and whatnot when I've got them.

Will also be my first time having to shim a lens, so wish me luck...


Awesome. However it seems they are having trouble keeping up with the preorders :(. Means a long time waiting for direct purchase. Oof.
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Re: 1.5X Anamorphic Desqueeze Option

PostMon Oct 10, 2022 3:09 pm

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Apologies for the rubbish phone camera picture, but they're here!

Unfortunately I seem to have received the Amber versions when I filled in the Google form to switch to Silver. Waiting to decide whether to kick up a stink or not before I shim the lenses and stick the EF mount on.

Remarkably small lenses for what they are. Certainly live up to the Nanomorph name.

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PostThu Dec 01, 2022 4:29 pm

+1 on 1.5x desqueeze.

I just got my nanomorphs this week and would love that 1.5x in camera.
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Re: 1.5X Anamorphic Desqueeze Option

PostThu Dec 01, 2022 7:21 pm

There are also 1.25, 1.33, 1.6 and 1.8 lenses. Why not offer an option for oddball squeeze ratios which you can set yourself, like you can set frame markers?
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PostMon Dec 05, 2022 8:29 am

I would also love an update with more de-squeeze options (1.5, 1.6, 1.8, and 2.0) than just 1.33 across the camera range (from BMPCC4K and up).

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