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Next 2023 URSA Update Wishlist

PostTue Dec 06, 2022 8:00 pm

Okay, since it is the holiday season it feels right to put together the wish list for what gifts we'd like to receive. However, this will be a list of the new features, new physical improvements, and so on and so forth for the next URSA Camera update to hopefully come in 2023. Since the URSA Mini Pro 12K was in many ways the G3 I'll call this the G4 for now. However, it's entirely possible Blackmagic could go with a new naming structure and introduce a new camera line.

URSA Mini Pro G4 Wish List:

1) CFExpress Type B Cards for internal media. The future has become clear over the last two years as more cameras embrace CFExpress media. Type A is primarily used by Sony, but Type B is used by Canon and RED. This will increase the write/read speeds capable of the media allowing for hopefully higher frame rates or more uncompressed RAW recording.

2) Updated URSA Viewfinder Design that allows more flexible maneuvering of the position. Similar to the modification that happen a few years back. Internal OLED Screen includes updated 4X3 size for Status Info to be outside image like on the Pocket EVF. Viewfinder can be powered and receive video signal from one cable like Alexa EVF. The current URSA Viewfinder was designed in 2015, so after nearly 8-Years its due for an update.

3) URSA Micro Camera. The demand has been there for a box camera for a while. So I'll throw this in there. No XLR Ports, maybe Mini XLR Ports if it can fit. Smaller and lighter than URSA Mini Pro G4, but with less physical features and slightly less capabilities. Would make for a great B or C Cam for the bigger URSA Mini Pro.

4) Built-In Side Plate. This way we don't have to buy a third party one to attach. I've found having the SmallRig or Wooden Camera Side Plate invaluable. So it's a must. Especially since the SmallRig places the Side Handle in an inopportune position against the Viewfinder Power and SDI ports. I love having the Cold Shoe Mount on the side for a Timecode Generator Box.

5) D-Box Back-End Built-In. More D-Tap and more Lemo Ports are always a plus. Would be great to not have to buy a third party attachment. And, since we're at it...

6) Replace Hirose 8-Pin at front with Lemo Port for Lens Motors. Power lens motors without having to go to back of camera.

Add more below. What do you want to see in the next URSA Camera?
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Re: Next 2023 URSA Update Wishlist

PostWed Dec 07, 2022 7:11 am

7) VistaVision / "Full Frame" 16K Sensor. Includes 12K Super 35 Window, and 6K Super 16 Window. At 10,914 Pixels across, what's interesting is that if you shot the VistaVision sensor in 9:16 Vertical Orientation then you could crop in still to Super 35 and have a 10K Image still. Perfect for 8K Delivery. Why? Well, shooting Vertical in VistaVision does allow the most flexibility for creating a Super 35mm Window since the width is exactly the same as a Super 35mm Window would be when shooting the sensor horizontally. But there would be a resolution difference. Resolution doesn't matter that much so the difference between 12K and 10K is minimum.

Either way, this is to satisfy the growing demand for larger sensor sizes while also keeping Super 35 alive. Lensing will come at the increased cost for such a camera however, and expect to pay a bigger premium for a VIstaVision 16K Sensor. If you're not willing to commit to $15K Price Tag, then opt for the Super 35 12K only UMP. URSA Micro will remain 12K Super 35. Only the Mini Pro will get the 16K Sensor Option.

POST NOTE: I'm also reluctantly defending shooting Vertical Video in this idea. I hate vertical video. I hate it with a passion.
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Re: Next 2023 URSA Update Wishlist

PostWed Dec 07, 2022 1:09 pm

Continued support for the Ursa Mini Broadcast G2. I really like this camera a lot.
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Re: Next 2023 URSA Update Wishlist

PostWed Dec 07, 2022 3:39 pm

wemrick1 wrote:Continued support for the Ursa Mini Broadcast G2. I really like this camera a lot.


I have a feeling if and when we see a new Ursa Cine camera, the existing Ursa body will live on for longer in the Broadcast model. ;)

timbutt2 wrote:6) Replace Hirose 8-Pin at front with Lemo Port for Lens Motors. Power lens motors without having to go to back of camera.


It's a 12 pin hirose B4 port and not simply for power. It would be better IMV if 3rd party lens motor manufacturers had adopted it, since it is still very flexible, after many years and I'd love to see a zoom/aperture control/grip like you see on B4 lenses for universal fitting to Cine lenses, rather than for me, the awkward Rosetta mounted remotes.
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Re: Next 2023 URSA Update Wishlist

PostWed Dec 07, 2022 5:00 pm

High quality single stop internal ND filters from 1-8 stops like the Venice and Ronin 4d. Such a timesaver, no matter the level of production.

Some kind of autofocus solution for small doc projects, whether that's at the sensor level like Sony/Canon or affordable lidar a la DJI, again such a timesaver for many shots on docs.
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Re: Next 2023 URSA Update Wishlist

PostWed Dec 07, 2022 6:41 pm

I can't tell you how many times I've wanted single-stop NDs. SO much so that I run a matte box with a 0.3 at the ready in recent months and I love the control.

If the Ursa Mini Body wasn't so power-hungry I think it could still have a few iterations left.
I'd really like to see something that's a bit more friendly to longer battery usage.

Also, thinking about how the VV 16k would work... I wonder, if readout times seem impossible, that they could make it as a VV/LF 8k instead. That would save on card/HHD space and hopefully promise some usable rolling shutter.
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Re: Next 2023 URSA Update Wishlist

PostWed Dec 07, 2022 7:25 pm

Adam Langdon wrote:Also, thinking about how the VV 16k would work... I wonder, if readout times seem impossible, that they could make it as a VV/LF 8k instead. That would save on card/HHD space and hopefully promise some usable rolling shutter.

Well, I wouldn't mind increasing the pixel size of the 12K in order to have an 8K VistaVision instead of 16K. I guess that would translate to a 6K Super 35 Window and 4K Super 16 Window. That's definitely more desirable for not needing so much resolution. What matters more is the dynamic range and color science after all.

The hardest thing to figure out is whether the new sensor design Blackmagic has with the 12K can do that. It would be more desirable for sensor readout time for higher frame rates certainly. Plus minimizing rolling shutter artifacts.
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Re: Next 2023 URSA Update Wishlist

PostWed Dec 07, 2022 7:26 pm

I agree with both about increasing internal ND options to allow for 1 Stop increments. Sometimes 1 Stop really does make a difference.
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Re: Next 2023 URSA Update Wishlist

PostThu Dec 29, 2022 1:41 pm

As 2023 is nearly upon us, thought I'd give this thread a little bump.

I don't know *exactly* what I want from Blackmagic in 2023, but I do know it looks a little like the Kinefinity Mavo Edge line. Not that I'm ready to abandon BM, but hopefully they've been taking notes. Interchangeable mounts, e-NDs, multiple battery solutions, cube shape, higher base ISO, higher dynamic range + ability to shift stops into the highlights, and yes... full frame.

The Mavo Edge 6K retails for like £2000 more than the Ursa Mini Pro 12K and I know that you get what you pay for, but some of these features are I guess "quality of life" improvements and maybe suggest the UM body design is showing some age. It's 7 years old now, right?

It'll be interesting to see what shakes out anyway. Guess it's more likely to hear about something at NAB in a few months than CES in a week or so...?
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Re: Next 2023 URSA Update Wishlist

PostThu Dec 29, 2022 3:00 pm

Chris Cronin wrote:...and maybe suggest the UM body design is showing some age. It's 7 years old now, right??

Technically the URSA Mini body was introduced in 2015 with release of the URSA Mini 4K that summer. Early beta units of the UM4.6K were that fall with release in 2016. URSA Mini Pro was released in 2017.

That means the URSA Mini body will be 8-years-old in 2023, and the UMP body update 6-years-old. Yes, the age is starting to show.

However, that doesn't mean they can't keep conceptual aspects of the build and improve upon them. It all does need a refresh. And, the 12K sensor will be 3-years-old in 2023.

Now that Arri has introduced their Alexa 35 and proven Super 35 is still viable I don't see a why Blackmagic can't stick with Super 35 in their cameras for a while longer. However, Super 35 window of a VistaVision sensor can be just as beneficial. Let's see where Blackmagic decides to go.
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Re: Next 2023 URSA Update Wishlist

PostWed Jan 04, 2023 2:22 am

I got another vote for the URSA Micro today on set. We were doing my UMPG2 and the Pocket 6K. And, lo and behold when I said I'd love for an URSA Micro the other camera op said he'd love that. So, totally need the URSA Mini Pro and the URSA Micro Pro. Same sensor and same features, but one in a smaller body.
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