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Re: New Camera and Mount Upcoming ?

PostMon Jan 23, 2023 10:00 am

John Brawley wrote:My feeling is that AF will happen at some point.

Look at how well Resolve can track objects....

Once you take that into a camera....I think they'll just skip the current "dumb" af and got for something that is a lot more advanced based on object tracking or recognition.

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Like Resolve's object tracking but in camera and live sending the data to the lens or, even better, a motorized follow focus (to drive cine/anamorphic lenses)?

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PostMon Jan 23, 2023 1:36 pm

Alright, I'm gonna predict TWO Blackmagic cameras this year!
I think BMD were able to get a sense of what customers are purchasing from them with the 6k line-up. NDs, brighter screen vs just a flip screen.

For lack of a better term, the "Ursa Micro"
Ursa Micro Pro
- Internal NDs
- 8k Sensor
- s35, like the 12k
- PL/EF Mount
- A 'video assist' like monitor, that can control the camera but via a removable cable, so you can go without

Ursa Micro
- 8k Sensor
- s35, like the 12k
- L Mount
- The ability to utilize the HDR Video Assists

I don't really know anymore. I just know I'm probably gonna pre-order the next BMD camera regardless of whatever it is, haha.
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Re: New Camera and Mount Upcoming ?

PostMon Jan 23, 2023 5:00 pm

I don’t think BM will ever call a camera the Ursa Micro specifically because the acronym would be the same as the Ursa Mini, and that would get confusing. My guess is that a smaller Ursa would be named something like the Ursa LT.

Also, considering that the BMPCC6K Pro gave us stackable ND filters, I think that maybe we will get the same on new Ursa cameras. This could give the UMP single stop ND filters 0,1,2,3,4,5,6,7.

I do think that a smaller gimbal friendly, maybe box style, Ursa would probably have an 8K slightly smaller sized sensor (compared to the larger than average S35 sensor on the Ursa 12K.) It would have to retail for around $4K, and would be competing with the FX3 & R5 C.

I agree with others that a Modular Monitor would be a huge step up for the Ursa, and BM in general. I would love that feature.

Also having the ability to record proxies would be a very nice feature as well. Preferably to a separate SD card.
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PostMon Jan 23, 2023 5:18 pm

As we are wishing and guessing, so who knows maybe one day :)

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I do how this kind of form factor would have the URSA mini lens mount system
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Re: New Camera and Mount Upcoming ?

PostMon Jan 23, 2023 9:34 pm

Jason Boyd wrote:I don’t think BM will ever call a camera the Ursa Micro specifically because the acronym would be the same as the Ursa Mini, and that would get confusing. My guess is that a smaller Ursa would be named something like the Ursa LT.

Also, considering that the BMPCC6K Pro gave us stackable ND filters, I think that maybe we will get the same on new Ursa cameras. This could give the UMP single stop ND filters 0,1,2,3,4,5,6,7.

I do think that a smaller gimbal friendly, maybe box style, Ursa would probably have an 8K slightly smaller sized sensor (compared to the larger than average S35 sensor on the Ursa 12K.) It would have to retail for around $4K, and would be competing with the FX3 & R5 C.

I agree with others that a Modular Monitor would be a huge step up for the Ursa, and BM in general. I would love that feature.

Also having the ability to record proxies would be a very nice feature as well. Preferably to a separate SD card.


Ursa Tiny? :lol:

I would love any kind of Ursa with uncompressed RAW along BRAW, Arri style, just for us compression masochists. :roll:
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PostMon Jan 23, 2023 9:41 pm

focuspulling wrote: It might be Sony turning a blind eye, assessing litigation risk, or just allowing it to benefit their standard. But DJI is a very high-profile example.



Judging by the many posts I can see on various forms it’s been reverse engineered. I’m assuming that because most are complaining about it not working at all, or having some lenses it works with and some that it doesn’t work with.

I very much doubt it’s officially sanctioned because it’s Sony and this is their MO. They wouldn’t authorise this because their whole corporate culture is to make their own IP ecosystem. Think about how they do this with media.

So it’s a reverse engineered, unreliable and inconsistent implementation at best. Sony could probably alter some firmware in a lens update that will break the current functionality.

It’s totally unrealistic to expect BMD would go down this path.

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PostMon Jan 23, 2023 10:03 pm

Adam Langdon wrote:Alright, I'm gonna predict TWO Blackmagic cameras this year!
I think BMD were able to get a sense of what customers are purchasing from them with the 6k line-up. NDs, brighter screen vs just a flip screen.

For lack of a better term, the "Ursa Micro"
Ursa Micro Pro
- Internal NDs
- 8k Sensor
- s35, like the 12k
- PL/EF Mount
- A 'video assist' like monitor, that can control the camera but via a removable cable, so you can go without

Ursa Micro
- 8k Sensor
- s35, like the 12k
- L Mount
- The ability to utilize the HDR Video Assists

I don't really know anymore. I just know I'm probably gonna pre-order the next BMD camera regardless of whatever it is, haha.

I feel like a lot of this is in line with what I have asked for. However, I'm asking for a new naming convention with a new main URSA Mini Pro iteration as the basis for the new camera line. Again, I'll call mine the Millennium.

So Millennium, Millennium Mini, and maybe even a Millennium Micro. So going off your bullets I'll mark what I think would be in these.

Millennium
- Internal NDs | Stacked & Motorized
- 12K Sensor | Super 35
- 120 FPS Max Frame Rate at 12K
- Interchangeable Mount | PL/EF/Nikon/B4 Mount
- Dual CFExpress Cards Slots | Including Redundancy Recording Option
- Dual SD Card Slots for Simultaneous Proxy Recording
- Expanded I/O Ports | 2X SDI Outputs, 5-Pin Lemo Timecode, Dual XLR Ports, Front Lens Motor Lemo Port, etc.
- Single Viewfinder Port | Powers and Feeds Video to Millennium Viewfinder
- Wireless Video Assist Monitor | Can Control the Camera via Touch Screen | Or Cable Option

Millennium Mini
- Internal NDs | Stacked & Motorized
- 12K Sensor | Super 35
- 60 FPS Max Frame Rate at 12K
- Interchangeable Mount | PL/EF/Nikon/B4 Mount
- Dual CFExpress Cards Slots | Including Redundancy Recording Option
- Dual SD Card Slots for Simultaneous Proxy Recording
- Smaller I/O Ports | 2X Micro SDI Output, 5-Pin Lemo Timecode, Dual Mini XLR, Front Lens Motor Lemo Port, etc.
- Single Viewfinder Port | Powers and Feeds Video to Millennium Viewfinder
- Wireless Video Assist Monitor | Can Control the Camera via Touch Screen | Or Cable Option

Millennium Micro
- 12K Sensor | Super 35
- 60 FPS Max Frame Rate at 12K
- Fixed Mount | PL & EF Options
- Single CFExpress Cards Slots
- Single SD Card Slot for Simultaneous Proxy Recording
- Minimal I/O Ports like Micro SDI Out, 5-Pin Lemo Timecode, Front Lens Motor Lemo Port, but no XLR
- Wireless Video Assist Monitor | Can Control the Camera via Touch Screen | Or Cable Option

There's probably a bit more I could list, but that's already a lot. It gives an idea however of the direction that I'm leaning towards.
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Re: New Camera and Mount Upcoming ?

PostMon Jan 23, 2023 11:07 pm

Panavision already make a Millennium camera. My personal pie-in-the-sky hopes are two new cameras to replace the Ursa Mini Pro:

Ursa LT
- Smaller FX6/C200 size & style Body
- 8K S35 Sensor
- 15 stops of Dynamic Range
- 8K@100fps
- Base ISO 800, Max ISO 12,800
- Dual Pixel Autofocus
- Interchangeable lens mount
- Modular Touchscreen / Control Monitor
- SD card slots for proxy recording
- CFexpress Cards or M.2 system
- 7 stop ND filter (Clear,1,2,3,4,5,6,7)
- Gyro Stabilization data
- BRAW & ProRes 422 HQ
- SDI connectors, with a timecode/REF
- Bluetooth & Wi-Fi 6
- Interchangeable Battery Plate
- Price: $4,000 - $5,000

Ursa MX
- Updated Mini Pro size body
- 12K FF Sensor
- 16 stops of Dynamic Range (larger pixels and all)
- 12K@100fps
- Base ISO 800, Max ISO 12,800
- Dual Pixel Autofocus
- Interchangeable lens mount
- Modular Touchscreen / Control Monitor
- SD card slots for proxy recording
- CFexpress Cards or M.2 system
- 7 stop ND filter (Clear,1,2,3,4,5,6,7)
- Gyro Stabilization data
- BRAW & ProRes 422 HQ
- SDI connectors, with a timecode/REF
- Bluetooth & Wi-Fi 6
- Interchangeable Battery Plate
- Price $6,000 - $7,000
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PostMon Jan 23, 2023 11:17 pm

Jason Boyd wrote:Panavision already make a Millennium camera.

Oh yeah! Oops! I was going off the Scanner names Blackmagic used for the URSA and the Cintel as one was called the Millennium. Will have to go back to the drawing board and see which of those names makes the most sense for them to pick for the next camera line.
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Re: New Camera and Mount Upcoming ?

PostTue Jan 24, 2023 12:25 am

John Brawley wrote:And Arri already made the LT

https://www.movietech.co.uk/equipment/c ... rricam-lt/

And red made an MX too

https://www.studioscotland.com/red1mx-camera-review

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Blackmagic already took the Mini name from Arri, I figure they’d keep with the tradition :D


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Jason Boyd wrote:Panavision already make a Millennium camera.

Oh yeah! Oops! I was going off the Scanner names Blackmagic used for the URSA and the Cintel as one was called the Millennium. Will have to go back to the drawing board and see which of those names makes the most sense for them to pick for the next camera line.


Maybe they could stick with constellations. The Lynx cameras ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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PostTue Jan 24, 2023 2:49 am

Blackmagic Acquires Cintel July 24th, 2012: https://www.blackmagicdesign.com/media/ ... 0120724-01

This includes all of the IP, name and brand ownership and product development rights for the Cintel diTTo and dataMill digital scanners lines, URSA, C-Reality, DSX, and Millennium telecine lines as well as imageMill data management products.


So, if I was to use Cintel as the basis for the naming of the cameras then... Hmmm... Let's see here...

Okay, so I'm going to say the next camera will be called the DSX then. They shouldn't use C-Reality without it being associated with Virtual Cameras and Virtual Production because C-Reality makes the most sense for that.
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PostTue Jan 24, 2023 4:12 am

Grant never worked on those later machines.

When I met Grant for the first time he was the in-house engineer on the Cintel Ursa gold that had an aftermarket mod called a “Y front”. His first product that he made was a frame store card for that telecine. That naturally lead to capture cards and that kicked off his career change.

After the “gold” it went “diamond”, then “C reality” then “DSX”

I think millennium was a CCD machine and much later. Ursa was all “flying spot” tube based.

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PostTue Jan 24, 2023 6:33 am

As for naming next camera BMD DRACO ;)
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PostTue Jan 24, 2023 6:51 am

Doesn't Red hold that name? ;-)
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PostTue Jan 24, 2023 6:54 am

With N, but yeah good name already taken.

ZEUS could be a bit bold move, but maybe then ARUS

"Zeus stopped Arcus from killing the bear and placed them both in the heavens. Callisto became Ursa Major (the Great Bear) and Arus became Ursa Minor (the Little Bear)."

It would then kind of follow the Finish ice breaker naming, different variants of bear (Karhu, Otso, Kontio)
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PostTue Jan 24, 2023 9:00 am

Since Ursa is known more widely as both a major and minor constellation, you could choose anything from Aquarius to Virgo, though something like Gemini or Orion, could sound more cameralike. But as Ursa is a kind of brand moniker for BMD, much like Alexa for Arri, I think it will survive future models. Ursa Mini suggests at one time BMD had intended it perhaps to go hand in hand with a continued improved big Ursa, but the market has seemingly downsized, ever since.
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PostTue Jan 24, 2023 9:11 am

Only in the northern hemisphere.

Ursa isn’t visible in Australia. Or a lot of the southern hemisphere.
So really not that well known or associated like it is for those in northern parts.

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John Brawley wrote:Only in the northern hemisphere.

Ursa isn’t visible in Australia. Or a lot of the southern hemisphere.
So really not that well known or associated like it is for those in northern parts.


Since most of the famous constellations were first recorded by Northern Hemisphere civilisations and continents like Australia and South America are populated by many non-indigenous peoples whose ancestors originated there, I can't imagine many not being familiar with them, even if they now can't see them. Centaurus would be an example of a constellation less familiar and not visible in the North, but then it would be a strange name for a camera. :)
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Steve Fishwick wrote:
John Brawley wrote:Only in the northern hemisphere.

Ursa isn’t visible in Australia. Or a lot of the southern hemisphere.
So really not that well known or associated like it is for those in northern parts.


Since most of the famous constellations were first recorded by Northern Hemisphere civilisations and continents like Australia and South America are populated by many non-indigenous peoples whose ancestors originated there, I can't imagine many not being familiar with them, even if they now can't see them. Centaurus would be an example of a constellation less familiar and not visible in the North, but then it would be a strange name for a camera. :)


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Or go with something like a star name, BM Betelgeuse :). Imagine the Beetlejuice sequel shot with that. Marketing for that movie writes itself. :lol:
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Kim Janson wrote:As for naming next camera BMD DRACO ;)


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PostTue Jan 24, 2023 1:07 pm

They should name their next camera Arri Alexa 35 and sell it like hot pretzels as long as they can.
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Blackmagic Warlock! We could go with magical names for magical creatures and beings.
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Jason Boyd wrote:I feel like there has to be autofocus in BM's upcoming cameras. Sony, Canon, and now Red & Panasonic are all offering cameras with cutting edge autofocus at competitive prices. The demand and obsession with autofocus just keeps getting louder and louder every year.

Truth is that most sub-$10K camera users are one man bands and autofocus simply makes their life easier. This is where the trend has been going, and it's where BM will lose more & more customers. If BM doesn't have professional quality autofocus in their next round of cameras then they'll be DOA. The resolution war is over, and unless BM offers dynamic range that can at least match the Arri Alexa classic then DR won't be enough to turn heads away from the competition.

BM was once leader of the pack for the best bang-for-your-buck camera, but not anymore. They are behind on every level including price.


As someone who used to own the Pocket 4K and 6K Pro, it seems like BM is behind now. I really love using the Sony A7S3 as it's just so much easier to use vs the Pockets. But, I do wish it had the Pocket's BRAW and 12-bit color.
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Blackmagic Red and Blackmagic Blue...?
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PostWed Jan 25, 2023 1:23 am

Steve Golding wrote:Autofocus? Don't make me laugh! Auto Focus and Auto Exposure are two of the main reasons we have populations that can't produce reasonable images moving or otherwise. Not that as tools themselves they are not useful, but the total reliance on them for low end equipment has definitely lowered optical knowledge for users.

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PostWed Jan 25, 2023 1:26 am

pnguyen720 wrote:
As someone who used to own the Pocket 4K and 6K Pro, it seems like BM is behind now. I really love using the Sony A7S3 as it's just so much easier to use vs the Pockets. But, I do wish it had the Pocket's BRAW and 12-bit color.


I agree. I'm moving away from the BMPCC's as well. Waiting for my S1H to arrive, that will replace my 2nd 4k.
The first one was replaced by a Zcam f6.

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Henchman wrote:BS.
It's another tool.
Auto focus using both the Rs3 Pro Lidar, and the standalone version of the DJI 3dfocus module, has allowed me to get some great footage in solo, guerilla shoots for narrative films I have been making.


Whilst they are incredible tools used by many professionals too now, they have only become necessary as sensors have got much larger and now with the demand for FF on DSLR/Mirrorless handheld type cameras almost essential in some situations. Whereas at one time the use of a tripod and much smaller sensors meant manual focusing was not a problem. The BMD Pocket cameras are not really the best tool for this type of filmmaking, for example, since they are cine cameras really. It could be argued that any of the small cameras are often the wrong tool for the job, when there are still small good camcorders around, and only used because they are cheaper and have the SDOF 'cinema' look so in vogue now. Every professional cameraperson should be able to focus manually and AF/IS are only recent innovations, whilst run and gun documentaries have been made for decades, even on 35mm cameras, but much more frequently on 16mm and ENG type cameras, because of the reasons I outlined above.
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PostWed Jan 25, 2023 11:31 am

I don't understand AF snobbery either. Suppose my only complaint about it would be producer understandings of new whizbang technology being excuses to not give me the proper equipment + support staff on a shoot. Whether you use AF or not is a project-by-project, shot-by-shot thing; for me at least.

Similarly I'm not sure I buy "ah well, cine cameras don't need this" as an excuse when the big players are rolling this tech into their cine lines. There's a risk of being left behind if you're stubborn about it. There'll always be a market for purists I guess, but you can also just... turn AF off if that's what you want. It's not cheating.

There's also the question of BM's target market - specifically who the Pocket 4K and 6K are popular with. People who want bang for their buck; indie filmmakers, hobbyists, some corporate/product-based video types. The attractive price point, great UI, and image quality are drawing people in - but can BM keep them as customers long term when there's increasing competition for that demographic? I've had my head turned by other cameras, even if I'm very eagerly anticipating what BM are bringing to the table next.
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PostWed Jan 25, 2023 12:05 pm

Chris Cronin wrote:Similarly I'm not sure I buy "ah well, cine cameras don't need this" as an excuse when the big players are rolling this tech into their cine lines. There's a risk of being left behind if you're stubborn about it. There'll always be a market for purists I guess, but you can also just... turn AF off if that's what you want. It's not cheating.


I'm sorry Chris...but what a load of nonsense. A risk of being left behind because you can't use an automatic device that does it for you? Are the feature film crews who use Arris/Venices/Reds similarly in the same boat? Since there is hardly no AF yet used there. I'm probably who you refer to since I have never ever used an AF lens up till now in my life, except on my phone. The only reason AF is necessary is, as I say, the increased hand held use of larger sensors. Nothing wrong with it at all but these large formats mostly needed focus pullers in the days of only manual. I'm increasingly having to deal with rushes in TV programmes that have some unusable shots because of hunting AF, it's not infallible. Anyone can operate an AF button but it's worth learning to manually focus too, at times.
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Re: New Camera and Mount Upcoming ?

PostWed Jan 25, 2023 12:45 pm

maybe there should be more categories than just focus puller or AF.

there is different focus assisting tools like the focus peaking that also BMD has.

There has been very expensive distance measurement devices.

I have not used the DJI monitor, camera control + lidar implementation , but as I understand it is not only AF but also focus assisting tools. On videos it looks very good, just as I would have made it :)

but also AF can be useful for many situations, even if it is occasionally hunting and having all sort of problems.

But over all it is still far from ideal as I can see, just difficult to understand why some very obvious things are not implanted. DJI probably will be the first one seeing the whole picture, they almost already do.
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Re: New Camera and Mount Upcoming ?

PostWed Jan 25, 2023 12:48 pm

Steve Fishwick wrote:I'm sorry Chris...but what a load of nonsense. A risk of being left behind because you can't use an automatic device that does it for you? Are the feature film crews who use Arris/Venices/Reds similarly in the same boat? Since there is hardly no AF yet used there. I'm probably who you refer to since I have never ever used an AF lens up till now in my life, except on my phone. The only reason AF is necessary is, as I say, the increased hand held use of larger sensors. Nothing wrong with it at all but these large formats mostly needed focus pullers in the days of only manual. I'm increasingly having to deal with rushes in TV programmes that have some unusable shots because of hunting AF, it's not infallible. Anyone can operate an AF button but it's worth learning to manually focus too, at times.

I think you might misunderstand me. It's not a one size fits all solution, it's completely situational, and it's helpful to have in that context. I've manually pulled focus on lots of projects, but in others continuous AF has saved my bacon because I don't have a second operator or a focus puller. I think anybody who uses AF enough knows when it's appropriate and when it's not.

As for the Arri/Venice/RED comparison - I don't think it's the same. BM has quite successfully cornered part of the lower end market but that's not guaranteed forever now the Canons and Sonys are going after the same people with the sweetener of good continuous AF, which has also propagated into their cine lines.
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Re: New Camera and Mount Upcoming ?

PostWed Jan 25, 2023 12:49 pm

Kim Janson wrote:maybe there should be more categories than just focus puller or AF.

Agreed, the Canon cinema line has their system where the lenses are manual but the camera monitor indicates visually how far off from focus you are. DJI also has an interesting system for manual focus assist.
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Re: New Camera and Mount Upcoming ?

PostWed Jan 25, 2023 1:18 pm

Here are two examples of shorts I shot without a crew.
First one I used the DJI 3d focus.
2nd the RS3 pro with lidar.

Especially on dark scenes, I didn't have to worry about focus.

I see so much soft and out of focus shots on major TV shows I mix. Hell, there's the scene towards the end of Babylon where Margot Robbie goes on and out of focus a couple of times.



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Re: New Camera and Mount Upcoming ?

PostWed Jan 25, 2023 1:21 pm

Chris Cronin wrote:I think you might misunderstand me. It's not a one size fits all solution, it's completely situational, and it's helpful to have in that context.


Chris, I understand it can be incredibly useful in certain situations for the lone operator, which most of us are here. But it is used too much because it can be used now. Some of the rushes I mentioned even have AF on sit down interviews, which as soon as they moved their heads, voila, background in sharp focus. I know you're not that kind of person. :) But for me automatic anything and the professional craft of filmmaking are somewhat mutually exclusive. Most of the people you refer to, outside of high end filmmaking are trying to ape that level, even if they are only making YT videos. These gadgets are ultimately about selling them that bill of goods.

Perhaps I am that dinosaur you allude to but I make sure I never film anything that I can't focus manually and I have done a lot of hand held, run and gun over many years - Documentary and mostly smaller sensors but a mantra I have repeated here often - the right tools for the job! if I had an AF button I perhaps wouldn't bother so much and use it too much, because it's there. If I was making drama, I wouldn't do it guerrilla style, but that is just a subjective thing that I can't and shouldn't judge. But if I had to I would still want to mostly manually focus, to have absolute repeatable control. If you can sing only with auto-tune, you perhaps should feel a sense of slight imposter syndrome, even if you have hit records, I feel.
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Re: New Camera and Mount Upcoming ?

PostWed Jan 25, 2023 1:49 pm

Steve Fishwick wrote:Some of the rushes I mentioned even have AF on sit down interviews, which as soon as they moved their heads, voila, background in sharp focus.


That's a really crappy AF by todays standards. They should try a Sony or a Canon.

I have shot sit down interviews where the person was moving back and forth, while we needed to isolate him from a pretty nervous background. I rather used the AF instead of loosing my only other member of the team taking care of perfect sound, by asking him for focus pulling.
Oh, and I was very grateful for Sony's breathing compensation.

So, it's still horses for courses.
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Re: New Camera and Mount Upcoming ?

PostWed Jan 25, 2023 2:07 pm

Uli Plank wrote:That's a really crappy AF by todays standards. They should try a Sony or a Canon.


It was a Sony FX9 - why do you need AF for interviews?
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Re: New Camera and Mount Upcoming ?

PostWed Jan 25, 2023 2:09 pm

See above.
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Re: New Camera and Mount Upcoming ?

PostWed Jan 25, 2023 2:13 pm

Well, IMO, if your shooting an interview and the slightest of movements mean they go out of focus, then you have too ridiculously shallow depth of field. You can still throw the background out of focus, unless they are too close to it. I would never use AF on a sit down IV, but that is me.
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Re: New Camera and Mount Upcoming ?

PostThu Jan 26, 2023 2:00 am

It was not the slightest movement, believe me, that guy was rocking back and forth like a pendulum when getting into his most interesting stories. Being both pretty famous and busy, we had no chance to stop him or change the setup. When the question is getting that shot or not, I don't care for cinematic purism, grab my Sony A7IV and get the shot.
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