New BM Product Announcement on 9-14-23

Well I suppose here is the answer for all those who would prefer a box form factor and or are concerned about the effects of rolling shutter for shots with action or movement. The Z CAM E2-M5G 5K global shutter camera is your camera.

https://www.cined.com/z-cam-e2-m5g-anno ... -and-more/

Perhaps we can move the conversation beyond form factor now and dig into what the BMCC 6k is, instead of all that it is not.

Read the comments on the YouTube video. There are people complaining about the form factor.

Well I suppose here is the answer for all those who would prefer a box form factor and or are concerned about the effects of rolling shutter for shots with action or movement. The Z CAM E2-M5G 5K global shutter camera is your camera.

https://www.cined.com/z-cam-e2-m5g-anno ... -and-more/

Perhaps we can move the conversation beyond form factor now and dig into what the BMCC 6k is, instead of all that it is not.

Read the comments on the YouTube video. There are people complaining about the form factor.

Ha! That sounds about right.

I have many examples of my operators using pockets hand held and stripped down.

That’s when they’re at their best BECAUSE they have everything built in.

Having shot for years with the pocket I have to disagree. That may work with wide lenses but for anything normal or longer, especially on the BMPCC6K or BMPCC4K with a speed booster, footage gets micro-jittery very fast and in a very non-cinematic way (you can sense the light weight of the camera). Just like any DSLR would without stabilization.

As an A-cam, you cannot use that form factor without a rig or stabilized lenses imo (unless you're fine with micro-jitter), rendering it more or less useless for it's intended purpose.

Cmon. I never said it was an A camera.

I’ll disagree that it’s hard to hand hold. I do it all the time and it works great. That’s what it does well _for me_

But what do I know.

JB

Mentioned above operators hated the Alexa Mini box camera design. I’m one of them. I was so happy when ARRI announced the Alexa 35. It’s far better for operation.

And, RED: on most sets I’ll joke “well it’s not an ARRI” to explain while I diss aspects of their design. I’ve never liked the design of Red cameras with regards to “box.” The Ranger series and Panavised Reds are better in design for operation.

I was fine with the original Cinema Camera 2.5K for what it gave us on such a low cost level. But when the URSA Mini was announced I was ecstatic! The URSA Mini Pro is built so well. Are there improvements I’d like to see? Yes. But it’s built in a very modular design.

So what do I want in an updated URSA Mini Pro body?
1) Timecode Lemo Separate from the Genlock SDI.
2) Lens Motor Lemo up front in place of the Hirose Port
3) one more SDI Out on back.
4) Updated Viewfinder Design that works like the Wooden Camera Modification so that we can maneuver the Viewfinder into better positions. This includes updated ports for the Viewfinder.
5) Wireless Video integration into back between Battery Mount and Camera Body.
6) Side Plate integration like the SmallRig or Wooden Camera Side Plates that add more mounting points and such. But built into the body from beginning.
7) More Mounting Holes on BMD Top Handle.

And those are mainly just physical body changes. That doesn’t get into the other requests I’ve made over the years like Dual Card Redundancy Recording. Hopefully the Simultaneous Proxy Recording comes to the URSA line soon as well. That’s very nice.

Of course I want CFExpress Card Slots. But that’s been said many times before. The other pints are mainly body changes beyond the media slot. And most of those above requests are ports for connecting accessories.


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The images ive seen look great! Planning on preordering at a local shop. Does anyone know when they ship?

Order now with shipping expected in October according to a BMD rep. No precise date given.

I think we are all looking forward to hearing back from you after you’ve had a chance to kick the tires.

I have a local shop that sells BMD stuff and I'm on the list for preorder! Super excited about this one.

As for the form factor...
I do a lot of travel, mostly to remote parts of the earth when I'm filming docs, and the need for a low profile is almost a necessity. When I took my Pocket 6k Pro to Japan, I was just like any other tourist. When I went to Burundi, Africa, I was able to move quickly and quietly around both the capital and villages without much fuss.

Sure, it's really fun to rig stuff out, like the Ursa (even though you just need a lens, media, and a battery to make that work!), but man, I LOVE shooting handheld on the Pocket 6k Pro (soon to be using the BMCC6k!) with just a single image stabilized zoom.

AND I get to utilize my investment in NP-F batteries, haha

There is more than one way of doing something hence why I haven’t exactly articulated what I want……even though to the open minded here, I really have.

Which repeats your pattern: my arguments may not be responsive or consistent but the good people here will know I'm right anyway....

In the face of straightforward objections to [actual] box cameras -- with no thought to comparing them to BMD DSLRs for professional A-cam work, nobody here has said the latter are "better" for that purpose, or that the latest BMD model is an exalted piece of equipment -- you've turned everything from an FX6 to a C300 into a box camera, then declared that only fan boys say otherwise.

It's also odd to hear you complain, with an exclamation point, that *other* people are making "personal attacks".

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I have a local shop that sells BMD stuff and I'm on the list for preorder! Super excited about this one.

As for the form factor...
I do a lot of travel, mostly to remote parts of the earth when I'm filming docs, and the need for a low profile is almost a necessity…

Congratulations and spot on. With battery grip and some spare batteries one will be able to shoot for several hours, so no need to mount a big battery that obscures that monitor. Will be interesting to hear your feedback and how many nits you needed on the monitor for shooting in daylight.

The box people's problem is very easy to fix, just get 5 or 6 thousand dollars and buy something else. If you havent the money buy this, or just keep dreaming that someday you can make your project.
I have never seen anything like this done to another company in the world. They are begging bmd to quench their need because they either dont have the money or want something else. The camera works and does what is needed, I wont buy it because its not for me. this should be enough. Any thing else, their is a wish list forum. Ive been asking for AF and evf since forever, not seen it, so? I get a Sony. So many cry babies. Guys have dignity.

Ricardo marty

Well I suppose here is the answer for all those who would prefer a box form factor and or are concerned about the effects of rolling shutter for shots with action or movement. The Z CAM E2-M5G 5K global shutter camera is your camera.

https://www.cined.com/z-cam-e2-m5g-anno ... -and-more/
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Thanks, Dan. Combining a possible 16 stops HDR with a global shutter sensor from a well-know sensor supplier. 5K for $4K in a tiny cube. Some strange maximum frame rates like 94 fps and 116 fps though. I did appreciate the ZCAM representative’s calm and competent delivery in the interview. Wasn’t sure how important was the fact that this is a mFT camera with a smaller sensor compared to BMCC6K.

Didn’t sound like ZCAM had an exclusive deal on this sensor so perhaps that’s something on BMDs roadmap. I’m not salivating at the thought of buying a ZCAM camera, but if BMD was looking at this sensor later in a 6K version with CFexpress with more standard frame rates… At some point in the future, this could headline a new family of cameras for BMD as I alluded to in another post.

I have many examples of my operators using pockets hand held and stripped down.

That’s when they’re at their best BECAUSE they have everything built in.

Having shot for years with the pocket I have to disagree. That may work with wide lenses but for anything normal or longer, especially on the BMPCC6K or BMPCC4K with a speed booster, footage gets micro-jittery very fast and in a very non-cinematic way (you can sense the light weight of the camera). Just like any DSLR would without stabilization.

As an A-cam, you cannot use that form factor without a rig or stabilized lenses imo (unless you're fine with micro-jitter), rendering it more or less useless for it's intended purpose.

Cmon. I never said it was an A camera.

I’ll disagree that it’s hard to hand hold. I do it all the time and it works great. That’s what it does well _for me_

But what do I know.

JB

So you're saying BMD is selling B-cameras?!
Great that it worked for you when you used it hand held as a B-cam, I used it for years as an A-cam that has to run the whole day and using it hand held without any rigging absolutely did not work for me at all for serious work. Let's just disagree then.

I did pay a small amount more for a better form factor and that also came with many more features which are proving to be vary handy but had to leave BMD after over 5 years of using their cameras as BMD doesn’t offer me an upgrade path after the Pocket apart from the rather large URSA Mini Pro

This new sensor and mount would have been a great opportunity for BMD to release the camera that was more close to what people were asking for and closed that big gap in their product line. And while you seem to think that making a more box style camera somehow comes with much greater cost, this is not the case.

Are you suggesting that the current design can’t be improved upon at all?

You brought up the Burano but that camera is the same size as the Ursa 12k.

You brought up the FX3, and that's a Dslr. You try to DQ the Micro Studio Camera 4K G2, for not having enough buttons.
What buttons the, Dslr shaped, FX3 has that the Micro Studio Camera doesn't?

Oh right, yes I made a comment about the ‘open minded’ who didn’t just think ‘a box is a box’ and you took it personally?

I’ve been told I’m a BS artist, incoherent and that my points are invalid because what I say doesn’t match your beliefs.

You keep asking for "what the people want" but can't describe what exactly you are looking for the moment you are challenged for more detail, your entire point changes. You are moving goal posts.

You read what you want to read and leave out large parts of what you don’t want to hear despite me clarifying numerous times.

I have come up with numerous ways on how the current design can be improved. A more ‘box’ like camera would be great (if you’ve ever removed the top handle and grip off an fx6 you will know that the body is a box despite you thinking otherwise), yes and fx3 is a mirrorless design but I have already given reasons on why I find it a lot more acceptable than the caricature DSLR form factor of the Pocket cameras. But again, you ridicule rather than saying anything really constructive. I’ve come up with plenty of ideas while others just sit here an poo poo all of them. So I have to ask again….
Do those here defending the current form factor think it’s a great design for most users? Is there really no improving it?

And John, how are my reasons for wanting a box somehow invalid? Strange to make a comment like that with zero explanation. Pretty silly argument. “Your points are invalid” and giving zero explanation.

Seems like people on this forum just want to attack others with different ideas to what the shills have!

The box people's problem is very easy to fix, just get 5 or 6 thousand dollars and buy something else. If you havent the money buy this, or just keep dreaming that someday you can make your project.
I have never seen anything like this done to another company in the world. They are begging bmd to quench their need because they either dont have the money or want something else. The camera works and does what is needed, I wont buy it because its not for me. this should be enough. Any thing else, their is a wish list forum. Ive been asking for AF and evf since forever, not seen it, so? I get a Sony. So many cry babies. Guys have dignity.

Ricardo marty

This is not the case, I have been a BMD user for years and would have liked a progression path after outgrowing the Pocket cameras. Blackmagic don’t provide one and I’m letting them know. There is a saying, if you don’t ask you don’t get”.
Does progress happen if people don’t express new ideas?
Calling people ‘cry babies is pretty darn childish on your part.

Better design doesn’t come from putting up and shutting up, it comes from discussion.

Forums are for discussion, if you can’t bring anything more to the table than ‘you're a cry baby’ or saying ‘your wrong’ without giving any reasons then what kind of discussion is that.

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You brought up the FX3, and that's a Dslr. You try to DQ the Micro Studio Camera 4K G2, for not having enough buttons.
What buttons the, Dslr shaped, FX3 has that the Micro Studio Camera doesn't?

Come on, can you really not see the difference between a FX3 and Micro Studio G2? This defending of the current design is getting quite ridiculous. Are you a BMD bot?

Look at the Micro Studio camera G2. It has FIVE buttons in total. All of them positioned on the opposite side, AND opposite end to where a videographer would want them. It also has HDMI and SDI ports on both sides of the box leaving nowhere to grip the camera. You would need to add quite an elaborate cage to that to get the handle out of the way of all those ports while also leaving the buttons easily accessable. You have looked at it in detail before suggesting it or saying that I should be happy with it's design because it's a 'box' didnt you?

Again, making a box like camera doesn't mean you dont have to think about button placement or usability. Just making a box doesn't make it perfect. They are the words you are putting in my mouth.

People here really are blinkered.

Good luck to you all!

The original Micro Studio had interface to attach all kind of controllers, not sure of the G2.

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And it had B4 interface too

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The G2 does not have SBUS interface, but it has USB C to support at least the BMD Zoom and Focus Demand, and hopefully USB PTP as control done on this for Pocket camera using LoupeDeck controller (no computers involved) https://youtube.com/shorts/bPLudywBn6E? ... H7tWFCS4u3

But you are right, it does not make it FX3 kind of camera, it makes it something different as are all the cameras you are mentioning.

So is it the FX3 you want BMD make at 1/3 of the price?

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You brought up the FX3, and that's a Dslr. You try to DQ the Micro Studio Camera 4K G2, for not having enough buttons.
What buttons the, Dslr shaped, FX3 has that the Micro Studio Camera doesn't?

Come on, can you really not see the difference between a FX3 and Micro Studio G2? This defending of the current design is getting quite ridiculous. Are you a BMD bot?

Look at the Micro Studio camera G2. It has FIVE buttons in total. All of them positioned on the opposite side, AND opposite end to where a videographer would want them. It also has HDMI and SDI ports on both sides of the box leaving nowhere to grip the camera. You would need to add quite an elaborate cage to that to get the handle out of the way of all those ports while also leaving the buttons easily accessable. You have looked at it in detail before suggesting it or saying that I should be happy with it's design because it's a 'box' didnt you?

Again, making a box like camera doesn't mean you dont have to think about button placement or usability. Just making a box doesn't make it perfect. They are the words you are putting in my mouth.

People here really are blinkered.

Good luck to you all!

As others have stated, your argument constantly changing. With this very reply you are comparing the Box shape of the Micro Studio camera stating that there is no where the grip the camera, but you want a Pocket camera with a box shape? You hold the FX3 as a superior form factor but it's shaped like a DSLR like a Pocket 6K. The FX3 isn't box shaped. There are plenty of cages that exist that fit the Blackmagic Micro Cinema Camera as well as the Micro Studio Camera 4k.

The box people's problem is very easy to fix, just get 5 or 6 thousand dollars and buy something else. If you havent the money buy this, or just keep dreaming that someday you can make your project.
I have never seen anything like this done to another company in the world. They are begging bmd to quench their need because they either dont have the money or want something else. The camera works and does what is needed, I wont buy it because its not for me. this should be enough. Any thing else, their is a wish list forum. Ive been asking for AF and evf since forever, not seen it, so? I get a Sony. So many cry babies. Guys have dignity.

Ricardo marty

This is not the case, I have been a BMD user for years and would have liked a progression path after outgrowing the Pocket cameras. Blackmagic don’t provide one and I’m letting them know. There is a saying, if you don’t ask you don’t get”.
Does progress happen if people don’t express new ideas?
Calling people ‘cry babies is pretty darn childish on your part.

Better design doesn’t come from putting up and shutting up, it comes from discussion.

Forums are for discussion, if you can’t bring anything more to the table than ‘you're a cry baby’ or saying ‘your wrong’ without giving any reasons then what kind of discussion is that.

You're asking for something you can't articulate.

If we don't understand what you exacty want (as your argument is constantly changes), how is Blackmagic supposed to decipher what you want?

Nothing is stopping you from buying an URSA 12K.

The original Micro Studio had interface to attach all kind of controllers, not sure of the G2.

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And it had B4 interface too

B4.jpg

The G2 does not have SBUS interface, but it has USB C to support at least the BMD Zoom and Focus Demand, and hopefully USB PTP as control done on this for Pocket camera using LoupeDeck controller (no computers involved) https://youtube.com/shorts/bPLudywBn6E? ... H7tWFCS4u3

But you are right, it does not make it FX3 kind of camera, it makes it something different as are all the cameras you are mentioning.

So is it the FX3 you want BMD make at 1/3 of the price?

The buttons on the Studio G2 are still in the wrong place for our use case, I’m not a fan of the micro4/3 size sensor. Been there done that. I don’t need B4. It has so many short comings, pushing it as a alternative to any other ‘Cine’ camera makes you look rather foolish im afraid.

I’ve said what I want numerous times. You just choose to hear the word ‘box box box’ and have a very narrow view of what a ‘box’ is. This is not F1!
I’ve also already told you why the FX3 works and what’s great about it and the fx6 despite them being different camera but you choose to ignore my comments. My argument hasn’t changed a bit. You're like someone that reads the bible but just chooses to read what you want to hear and take it for gospel.

How is BMD suppose to know? Well if they listened to anyone over the last few years and actually looked at how their camera were predominantly used (with a Vmount battery on the back blocking their screen) then they would know. I’m not paid by BMD to do their work for them. I actually know two DPs that WERE asked by BMD about the next camera and they suggested how to improve the form factor. Fell on deaf ears it seems

The new camera is not one third the price of its competition, it’s around half the price of an fx6 here in Australia but the FX6 has built in electronic ND, it has a handle with audio controls, it has an amazing AF system wether you use it or not, it has dual card slots, it has a removable and relocatable side handle, it has SDI and HDMI outputs, It has twice the buttons and dials that the Pockets have. With all these features, it is far better value for money than the new 6K FF which is relatively basic and bare in comparison.

And at only $700 more, you have the FX3. Again, il explain for your deaf ears that while it is a mirrorless design, it’s easy to transform into a box style camera. It also has a top handle with great audio controls, records 4 channels of audio, has great AF. The top handle is removable making it very small. and I can mount a micro vmount to it on the rear and the screen is still usable for navigating menus. Despite you saying that the Fx3 and the Pocket camera are the same, their form factors and ergonomics are completely different.

I said very early on that I’d be happy with more of a box like shaped camera that had a screen on top, a removable side grip and one or two NPF slots or the rear so that larger batteries could be used.

I'll repeat for the umpteenth time "I’d be happy with more of a box like shaped camera that had a screen on top, a removable side grip and one or two NPF slots or the rear so that larger batteries could be used." do you hear that now?

After that I said the FX3 works because I can put a battery on the back and the screen doesn't get blocked, , the grip is so small it doesn't need removing. The side grip on the F3 doesn’t need to be removable because it’s so small to start with. f BMD stll can't understand this then there is no hope. I really hope you don't work there!

You know what, arguing with people with completely blinkered views is pointless.

if the current form factor is so great, and the camera is such great value for money then why do you barely see ANYONE using them compared to other cameras?

[... Had the new 6KFF had a better form factor and 10bit codec, I would have gone for that instead but it’s a non option now...

Good you found something that meets your needs. When you imply the BMCC6K doesn’t have a 10bit codec, I’m confused by what you mean. All currently BMD cameras have BRAW 12bit log recording. Did you really mean to say 10bit ProRes? It would s unfortunate for many that ProRes isn’t available for the BMCC6K. Thanks for any clarification.

Most productions or clients don’t want me to hand them 12Bit BRAW files. They want something like ProRes or XAVC-I. As great as Resolve is, many post/ production houses are using Avid.

The new camera fits less workflows now due to the omission of a 10bit codec. That’s why Arri and Red give you the option of RAW or a 10bit codec.

BRAW is great, Resolve is great but people want what they want to work with their workflows and for now, BRAW isn’t it.

Converting 12bit raw to any other format (10bit 422 444) is simple, quick, and probably provides higher quality files than can be produced in camera. The process is practically lossless with the correct file format.

Maybe you should read again what I wrote. I said:

"But you are right, it does not make it FX3 kind of camera, it makes it something different as are all the cameras you are mentioning." And I do agree also that the Micro studio camera buttons are totally useless, and no logic how to use them.

This is total nonsense "a mirrorless design, it’s easy to transform into a box style camera." It would be a new camera completely and huge effort. also the inexpensive BMD cameras can be best recognised from their controls and body material. Good mechanical controls are expensive.

And if it is BMD camera you want, maybe you should look into the URSA lineup. It has the features you request.

The original Micro Studio had interface to attach all kind of controllers, not sure of the G2.

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And it had B4 interface too

B4.jpg

The G2 does not have SBUS interface, but it has USB C to support at least the BMD Zoom and Focus Demand, and hopefully USB PTP as control done on this for Pocket camera using LoupeDeck controller (no computers involved) https://youtube.com/shorts/bPLudywBn6E? ... H7tWFCS4u3

But you are right, it does not make it FX3 kind of camera, it makes it something different as are all the cameras you are mentioning.

So is it the FX3 you want BMD make at 1/3 of the price?

The buttons on the Studio G2 are still in the wrong place for our use case, I’m not a fan of the micro4/3 size sensor. Been there done that. I don’t need B4. It has so many short comings, pushing it as a alternative to any other ‘Cine’ camera makes you look rather foolish im afraid.

I’ve said what I want numerous times. You just choose to hear the word ‘box box box’ and have a very narrow view of what a ‘box’ is. I’ve also already told you why the FX3 works and what’s great about it and the fx6 despite them being different camera but you choose to ignore my comments. My argument hasn’t changed a bit. Your like someone that reads the bible but just chooses to read what you want to hear and take it for gospel.

How is BMD suppose to know? Well if they listened to anyone over the last few years and actually looked at how their camera were predominantly used (with a Vmount battery on the back) then they would know. I’m not paid by BMD . I actually know two DPs that WERE asked by BMD about the next camera and they suggested how to improve the form factor. Fell on deaf ears it seems

The new camera is not one third the price of its competition, it’s around half the price of an fx6 here in Australia but the FX6 has built in electronic ND, it has a handle with audio controls, it has an amazing AF system wether you use it or not, it has dial card slots, it has a removable and relocatable side handle, it has SDI and HDMI outputs, Is has twice the buttons and dials the the apockets have. Wait hall these features, it is far better value for money than the new 6K FF.

And at only $700 more, you have the FX3. Again, il explain for your deaf ears that while it is a mirrorless design, it’s easy to transform into a box style camera. It also has a top handle with great audio controls, records 4 channels of audio, has great AF. The top handle is removable making it very small. Despite you saying that the Fx3 and the Pocket camera are the same, their form factors and ergonomics are completely different.

I said very early on that I’d be happy with more of a box like shaped camera that had a screen on top and a removable side grip. The side grip on the F3 doesn’t need to be removable because it’s so small to start with.

You know what, arguing with people with completely blinkered views is pointless.

if the current form factor is so great, and the cameras such great value for money then why do you barely see ANYONE using them compared to other cameras?

Converting 12bit raw to any other format (10bit 422 444) is simple, quick, and probably provides higher quality files than can be produced in camera. The process is practically lossless with the correct file format.

Almost 100% of short form jobs go like this:

Shoot and data wrangle on the day to two or three SSD's and give the client the footage. While the last card is being wrangled, I am packing up the rest of my kit and production are checking their watch every few minutes as they want to get out of there and go home. Neither they or I want to be converting 12bit RAW to 10bit files at this time.

12Bit RAW is great for any self shooter that edits their own footage and doesn;t have to deal with anyone else. Buy a Pocket as a starter camera, get good at shooting and then you might pick up a few jobs shooting for others, you will then be left needing a new camera because your client doesn't want BRAW. what do you go to? you need to leave BMD because they don't cater to those stepping up.
Thats fine if BMD doesnt want to cater to me, (I had no qualms about switching to Sony and now that I finally have, am actually quite surprised how much I am enjoying their cameras) but it seems like a huge missed opportunity to me.

This is total nonsense "a mirrorless design, it’s easy to transform into a box style camera." It would be a new camera completely and huge effort. also the inexpensive BMD cameras can be best recognised from their controls and body material. Good mechanical controls are expensive.

Again, you are hearing what you want to hear. What I said is, the FX3 is already so small that the body is easily adaptable. The screen moves out of the way in its current form factor that a vlock battery can be put on the back, the screen flipped to the side and the touch screen used to control the camera in the same place as where the FX6 or most other cameras would have their buttons. Thats why it works well. Have a look at the picture I found (attached), this is the setup im talking about. It puts most of the controls in the same place as an FX6, C300MKIII, Kinefinity etc etc. It's already quite 'box' like as I can put a battery on the back and all the main controls are on the side . See the attachment. What the photo doesn't show is a 5" monitor on top but thats easy for anyone to add. I'd be happier with an FX6's boxier style body but this also works well.

Yes, good mechanical controls might be expensive but the FX3 has many more buttons and dials compared to the BMD Pocket series plus is has Autofocus, dual card slots, can record four channels of audio, a top handle with MORE mechanical controls and only costs $700 USD more than the 6kFF! In total, the FX3 has around 30 buttons and switches, 6 dials (including audio level adjusters) a touch screen AND a joystick!! I'd say considering this, the 6K FF really isn't very good value for money at all!

So you're saying BMD is selling B-cameras?!

Why do you continue to attribute comments to me that I haven't made?

JB

… And at only $700 more, you have the FX3.

I’m not familiar with prices in Australia if that’s what you’re comparing. We usually start with US prices and then adjust for other currencies and countries:

B&H Photo

SONY FX6 $5998 USD
SONY FX3 $3898 USD
BMCC6K $2595 USD

… And at only $700 more, you have the FX3.

I’m not familiar with prices in Australia if that’s what you’re comparing. We usually start with US prices and then adjust for other currencies and countries:

B&H Photo

SONY FX6 $5998 USD
SONY FX3 $3898 USD
BMCC6K $2595 USD

Sorry, after looking again, its actually closer to $850USD....still, a small difference considering the feature set difference.

… And at only $700 more, you have the FX3.

I’m not familiar with prices in Australia if that’s what you’re comparing. We usually start with US prices and then adjust for other currencies and countries:

B&H Photo

SONY FX6 $5998 USD
SONY FX3 $3898 USD
BMCC6K $2595 USD

Sorry, after looking again, its actually closer to $850USD....still, a small difference considering the feature set difference.

In the US (for example, at B&H):

$3,898 (FX3)
-2,595 (BMCC6K)
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$1,303 (difference in price)

Cheers!

This is a truely horrid design. a handle on the left and nothing to grip on the right?

I don't know about you but me and most people I see operating cameras hold the camera in our right hand and focus pull with our left. Can you see where this design falls short?

Again, a truely horrid design and due to the buttons and ports being on the far side, hard to put the handle where you actually need it.

BMD has also the Studio camera lineup. It actually has plenty of controls and interfaces at affordable price.

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On that I have never understood why the screen can not be separated or at least tilted and why no support for B4 lens... but it is what it is.

It all probably has to do not with single BMD camera, but how they have segmented them all.

They have come long way from this,

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and on they way tried many different concepts and continue to do so.

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I do not often understand the limitations they leave on their products, but they seem to do fine.

This is a truely horrid design. a handle on the left and nothing to grip on the right?

I don't know about you but me and most people I see operating cameras hold the camera in our right hand and focus pull with our left. Can you see where this design falls short?

Again, a truely horrid design and due to the buttons and ports being on the far side, hard to put the handle where you actually need it.

I knew you were going to quote that one. You didn't say a word about the SmallRig design.
Your entire argument doesn't make sense.
Here's another cage that fits the camera. Your narrative doesn't fit.
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/9p8vvTVT3ew

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/CVDXZRJiTDw

The micro camera can be rigged many ways. The buttons are irritating, but only needed for setup.

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There is few things I have been requesting during the past 7 years regarding the micro camera.

1. Video Assist should be able to control it.

2. The SBUS interface is pretty useless, it should have HW serial interface, for two way communication with the camera for easy integration. (the same protocol SDI and BT uses would be fine)

3. The Serial interface should include commands for the camera buttons, to navigate the menus with a separate controller.

Now looking the Micro Studio G2, I am afraid I have wasted my time trying to communicate this. I hope I am wrong and it has at least USB PTP to fully control it. And sad if they have dropped the B4 lens control.

I knew you were going to quote that one. You didn't say a word about the SmallRig design.
Your entire argument doesn't match sense.

I think you’ll find it’s YOUR argument that doesn’t make sense!

You provide two examples which I pull you up on and you say ‘oh, I knew you would criticise that one’. You provided it bud.

The Smallrig cage still doesn’t change the fact that the buttons are on the far side of the camera. How do I control audio with those little four buttons while recording? The audio adjusts in steps? So I would have to press it 20 - 30 times to turn up the level in noticeable incidents?

Dude, again, a box is not a box is not a box. You’re saying that because I want a boxed shape camera like an fx6 then I should be happy with a Micro G2?

The micro camera can be rigged many ways. The buttons are irritating, but only needed for setup.

There is few things I have been requesting during the past 7 years regarding the micro camera.

1. Video Assist should be able to control it.

2. The SBUS interface is pretty useless, it should have HW serial interface, for two way communication with the camera for easy integration. (the same protocol SDI and BT uses would be fine)

3. The Serial interface should include commands for the camera buttons, to navigate the menus with a separate controller.

Now looking the Micro Studio G2, I am afraid I have wasted my time trying to communicate this. I hope I am wrong and it has at least USB PTP to fully control it. And sad if they have dropped the B4 lens control.

I don't understand why the new Cinema Camera 6K, with its "all new" electronics, doesn't include 4K HDMI out. Blackmagic offers 4K video output from many of their other devices, including some very inexpensive ones. So the lack of 4K HDMI out on the new camera really stands out. For example, for 4K HDMI monitoring when desired, or external ProRes recording on a BM Video Assist. Obviously, not everyone needs 4K HDMI video out, but many do, and if it's cheap to add, why isn't it a feature of the camera?

Other than that, I think the new BMCC6K is quite nice.

Yes, the lack of 4K HDMI is strange. Ideally they would get rid of that all together and replace it with USB C monitor interface, USB C to HDMI cables cost just 50€ and if that interface would support USB HUB it would support also camera control, it could support also powering the camera. That would be pretty handy for gimbal installations, just one cable to take over the gimbal axis to have monitor, power and control. The other USB C would be for SSD.

Full frame is another tool for cinematography. You can get closer to the actor without the distortion of wider focal lenses, and you can get the real character from a full frame lenses with vignette and lack of resolution in the corners.
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All this can be done with a S35 cam, even with an MFT camera.

Do you mean that you can get the same field of view with focal reducers? Because that’s true but it’s also a different image texture. I have 3 metabones speedbooster (0.58x, 0.64x and 0,71x) and the magic booster for the pocket 6k, and I’m very happy that know I have the option to not use them and get a wider field of view with the same focal distances without adding a glass between the lens and the sensor, and I’m not saying this is better or worst, it’s just another option that we have and I think that’s a good thing for all of us.


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I don’t mean using focal reducers but since most people look at solving problems with technology, I guess that’s one acceptable way to get a wider field of view. I was thinking more of physically adjusting for the perspective and composition to obtain the look with a S35 or MFT format. Tools is one way, technique is another. Both can deliver to achieve the results you want. My 2 cents.

OMG… there’s so much to read here with some post TLTR. I need to go back and find that link Dan created regarding the RS trick. That’s the only useful info I can obtain from this thread.

That’s the only useful info I can obtain from this thread.

That is for sure, and it is not that entertaining either

It is strange how this release have been received.

LOL!

OMG… there’s so much to read here with some post TLTR. I need to go back and find that link Dan created regarding the RS trick. That’s the only useful info I can obtain from this thread.

Here:

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So an update. I shot with a FAST shutter to kill motion blur. Used the gyro stab 1st to kill RS and then compounded all the clips and ran the regular stabilizers (transform) on the compound clip. Brought it into fusion and ran an "optical flow" node into a "vector blur" node to get the motion blur back and my goodness. it looks amazing. The handheld shot looks almost like a global shutter on a gimble or tripod. Im usually not much of a "stabilizer addict" but im blown away with what this looks like. ran the final through a CST in color page into the cineon film look LUT in resolve and it's just gorgeous. its a good day

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I actually just tested this on a BMPCC6k pro. I did a few whip pans and I cannot believe it. using "gyro" stabilization the RS is almost completely gone, like 99 percent better. I only set the stab amount at like .008 for very little cropping, just to test if "more is better" and it works at that low of a setting. I cannot believe I didnt think about this before but I figured it would not make a difference on RS at all.. thought that it was just for XY stability. Im actually floored. Experimented with BRAW 6K with 180 shutter at 24 FPS, 50mm prime lens.

**EDIT** just a quick edit to this post for those who are new to the gyro stab. you MUST shoot BRAW and if you're using a zoom, you MUST input your focal length setting in the BMPCC that you'll be using. If you zoom to a new focal length, re input the lens data. Also no IS lenses. turn everything off.

So you're saying BMD is selling B-cameras?!

Why do you continue to attribute comments to me that I haven't made?

JB

I didn't even once. Whatever. This thread turned way too emotional.

Cmon. I never said it was an A camera.

People asked for a ND filter for the Cinema Camera 6K. Maybe this can be used in the Cinema Camera 6K Pro.

LC-Tec Explains Concept for 4x5.65” Electronic Variable ND Filter – First Look

my thoughts exactly. Lot of crying going on in here.

GUS!!! I love Psych! I miss that show. Originally shot on Super 16mm Film, and then switched to digital and shot ARRI ALEXA for the later season.

I've fallen off on this thread. Too much to read through. But I've been convincing myself more about things I love about the camera. Would I like sensor readout to be faster? Yes. But, knowing that's a weakness means I am aware enough to work around it.

Again, I can't wait for an URSA Mini Pro to have a sensor like this and bring more capabilities.

… I can't wait for an URSA Mini Pro to have a sensor like this and bring more capabilities.

Tim, perhaps you have a typo there. I think you meant to say “URSA Micro Pro” eh?

… I can't wait for an URSA Mini Pro to have a sensor like this and bring more capabilities.

Tim, perhaps you have a typo there. I think you meant to say “URSA Micro Pro” eh?

My mistake, a full URSA LINEUP: URSA Pro LF, URSA Mini Pro LF, & URSA Micro Pro LF.

Some superb low light footage from Matteo Bertoli:

I'm still going to wait and see whatever comes of a Gen2 version of this product, but if I were starting out all over again today I'd be more tempted to pick this up.

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[quote="Chris Cronin"]Some superb low light footage from Matteo Bertoli…[quote]

Fine test under some difficult shooting situations. But please, someone let Matteo know about DaVinci Resolve / Edit or Fairlight / Voice Isolation which likely would have removed all the ambient noise.

Some superb low light footage from Matteo Bertoli…

Fine test under some difficult shooting situations. But please, someone let Matteo know about DaVinci Resolve / Edit or Fairlight / Voice Isolation which likely would have removed all the ambient noise.

hahah, someone actually did in the comments. He had been too busy with work lately so didn't know about the feature. He said he would check it out next time.