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Re: BMD Camera App

PostThu Oct 05, 2023 5:45 pm

Thank you, Matti, for revealing why more BMD cameras are not used for anything important which can only be shot with an ARRI. I’m sure some of us wondered why, but now we know.
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Re: BMD Camera App

PostThu Oct 05, 2023 6:34 pm

Is there an Android app available too?
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Re: BMD Camera App

PostThu Oct 05, 2023 8:31 pm

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ikester wrote:Resolve 18.6 has an ACES IDT for Apple Log. You can use it in an ACES color managed workflow or using the ACES Transform effect on a color node.
That is not my point. I'm very well acquainted with ACES workflows. The point is that in the description of the BMD Camera App on BMD's website they list the color spaces the app supposedly can shoot in. One of those is ACES. This is plain wrong. It is not a color space, and even the ones that are one (ACEScct/cc, ACEScg, ACES2065-1) are not for camera to file encoding.


Ah, sorry, I misread your point. I agree with that. Having said that, I'm sure it's not easy to explain ACES in a once sentence marketing blurb :) Maybe they should just say that it will support an ACES color managed workflow or something like that.
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Re: BMD Camera App

PostThu Oct 05, 2023 9:11 pm

Maybe, but we still don't know what Apple meant by 'ACES'...
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Re: BMD Camera App

PostFri Oct 06, 2023 2:17 am

New app update just dropped: https://x.com/Blackmagic_News/status/17 ... 16767?s=20

It includes 29.97 FPS! Very pleased with that. They also mention "external timecode sync for Tentacle Sync E". I don't have one so I don't know how they work, but I do have the Deity TC-1, so hopefully it works the same way...
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Re: BMD Camera App

PostFri Oct 06, 2023 2:30 am

So excited about this update, already own Tentacle Sync E to sync both Alexa and Ursa Mini 4.6, now iPhone can join the family !
Other updates and frame rates are great, too.

Lots going on for Iphone 15 Pro / Max, it may indeed be a true pocket succesor !
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Re: BMD Camera App

PostFri Oct 06, 2023 2:45 am

What's New in Blackmagic Camera 1.1
* Support for recording at 23.98, 29.97 and 59.94 fps.
* Support for Tentacle Sync E for external timecode sync.
* Support for Tilta Nucleus Nano and Nucleus M lens control.
* Support to lock application orientation in settings.
* Support for landscape mode in both directions on iPhone 6.7" models.
* Support for HDMI output with status text overlays.
* Support to mirror the display to an HDMI output.
* Project selection is now retained across app restarts.
* Existing clips now upload when setting is changed to uploads originals.
* Addressed potential glitches when notifications received during recording.
* Addressed issue where recording could sometimes not be stopped.
* Addressed Apple Log option availability on user migrated iPhones.
* Addressed gamma issues previewing video in Apple Log mode.
* Addressed issue when recording to HEVC in Apple Log.
* Addressed an issue with HDMI clean feed on some TVs.
* General performance and stability improvements.
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Re: BMD Camera App

PostFri Oct 06, 2023 2:45 am

rick.lang wrote:Thank you, Matti, for revealing why more BMD cameras are not used for anything important which can only be shot with an ARRI. I’m sure some of us wondered why, but now we know.


I believe BMD camera are very close to Alexa image and often used as B or C cams, sometimes not even credited.

Truth is Alexa is more forgiving, you are less likely to have shot you can't recover when pushed hard, especially when filming ARRIRAW. Lots of people compare ProRes 444 and ARRIRAW, stating no noticeable difference, which is also truth, but there is huge difference when trying to save the shot you really like otherwise
poorly exposed.

BMD cameras footage can take also lots of beating, but they ll fall apart when pushed lot sooner then Alexa footage, especially in shadows.

Then again, iPhones are also used in feature films and their footage will fall apart lot sooner then BMD cameras.

It is true, colour information is so overlooked when judging camera, having consistent colour from ARRI is God sent.
I recently just did CST to Log 709 from ARRIRAW and apart from minor de-noise my footage was consistent with the colour and depth all along, needless to say how much easier is to colour grade.

BMCC 6K footage looks great to me and come so close to Alexa as well as URSA 12k.

This is where I draw line and do not like Red Komodo, latitude is the worst out of the all current cameras sitting at 7 stops, though footage can look great when shot well.
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Re: BMD Camera App

PostFri Oct 06, 2023 3:19 am

So with this new update, does that mean the frame rates are now locked or still variable?
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Re: BMD Camera App

PostFri Oct 06, 2023 4:21 am

Iain Anderson wrote:Just popping back to say that you can record directly to an external SSD using this app. In Settings > Media you can navigate to an external SSD and save files there; the downside is that it won't fall back to internal storage if you disconnect the SSD, but will instead refuse to record.

Looking forward to the next update, but this is already a very useful app.

Iain, what phone, what setup are you using? I have the iPhone 13 which provides no power for the SSD so I need to use the Apple cam adapter. I’ve tried different SSDs and got mixed results. Sometimes I lost connection, sometimes I got a red indicator in the app which I suppose is that write speed is not enough to keep up with recording.
My current solution is to save the files in app and move the files via the cam adapter to an usb stick when my phone memory gets full.
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Re: BMD Camera App

PostFri Oct 06, 2023 4:44 am

oliwend wrote:
Iain Anderson wrote:Just popping back to say that you can record directly to an external SSD using this app. In Settings > Media you can navigate to an external SSD and save files there; the downside is that it won't fall back to internal storage if you disconnect the SSD, but will instead refuse to record.

Looking forward to the next update, but this is already a very useful app.

Iain, what phone, what setup are you using? I have the iPhone 13 which provides no power for the SSD so I need to use the Apple cam adapter. I’ve tried different SSDs and got mixed results. Sometimes I lost connection, sometimes I got a red indicator in the app which I suppose is that write speed is not enough to keep up with recording.
My current solution is to save the files in app and move the files via the cam adapter to an usb stick when my phone memory gets full.



I imagine this will be the case with anything except the iPhone 15 Pro since you'd be stuck with USB 2 speeds.
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Re: BMD Camera App

PostFri Oct 06, 2023 4:52 am

CaptainHook wrote:What's New in Blackmagic Camera 1.1
* Support for recording at 23.98, 29.97 and 59.94 fps.
* Support for Tentacle Sync E for external timecode sync...


Thanks, CaptainHook, for this update! Several features had been discussed in this forum so wonderful to see an update so soon.
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Re: BMD Camera App

PostFri Oct 06, 2023 4:53 am

joeyciccoline wrote:I imagine this will be the case with anything except the iPhone 15 Pro since you'd be stuck with USB 2 speeds.

Yeah and I’m ok with that situation for my use case: having the phone in my jeans pocket, pulling it out and immediately start shooting.No fancy rig, no SSD dangling around.
Still trying to find an easy and good working solution for an VND filter though…but that’s a different topic.
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Re: BMD Camera App

PostFri Oct 06, 2023 4:56 am

CaptainHook wrote:What's New in Blackmagic Camera 1.1
* Support for recording at 23.98, 29.97 and 59.94 fps.


I did some 10 second clip testing this evening and only the 24FPS is still CFR, everything else is VFR.

Some observations of my very short test clips (all are Apple Log at ProRes 422 LT recorded to Internal memeory):
23.98 reads in MediaInfo as 22.999 FPS with a MIN: 22.222 FPS and a MAX: 23.077 FPS
29.97 reads in MediaInfo as 28.993 FPS with a MIN: 28.571 FPS and a MAX: 30.000 FPS
59.94 reads in MediaInfo as 58.995 FPS with a MIN: 54.545 FPS and a MAX: 60.000 FPS
Additional 422 tests for 23.98 and 59.94 are the same exact numbers as well.

24.000 reads in Media Info as Constant
25.000 reads in MediaInfo as 25.000 FPS with a MIN: 24.000 FPS and a MAX: 26.087 FPS
30.000 reads in MediaInfo as 30.000 FPS with a MIN: 28.571 FPS and a MAX: 31.579 FPS
48.000 reads in MediaInfo as 48.000 FPS with a MIN: 46.154 FPS and a MAX: 50.000 FPS
50.000 reads in MediaInfo as 50.000 FPS with a MIN: 46.154 FPS and a MAX: 54.545 FPS
60.000 reads in MediaInfo as 60.000 FPS with a MIN: 54.545 FPS and a MAX: 66.667 FPS

I do also believe that there is a bug on the H265 with Rec2020 - HDR where its showing under automatic settings as peaking while Rec709 is not. but i haven't really tested that option and would require others to test aswell.

Phone used was the 256GB iPhone 15 Pro Max by the way.
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Re: BMD Camera App

PostFri Oct 06, 2023 5:35 am

Coasterghost wrote:
CaptainHook wrote:What's New in Blackmagic Camera 1.1
* Support for recording at 23.98, 29.97 and 59.94 fps.


I did some 10 second clip testing this evening and only the 24FPS is still CFR, everything else is VFR.

Some observations of my very short test clips (all are Apple Log at ProRes 422 LT recorded to Internal memeory):
23.98 reads in MediaInfo as 22.999 FPS with a MIN: 22.222 FPS and a MAX: 23.077 FPS
29.97 reads in MediaInfo as 28.993 FPS with a MIN: 28.571 FPS and a MAX: 30.000 FPS
59.94 reads in MediaInfo as 58.995 FPS with a MIN: 54.545 FPS and a MAX: 60.000 FPS
Additional 422 tests for 23.98 and 59.94 are the same exact numbers as well.

24.000 reads in Media Info as Constant
25.000 reads in MediaInfo as 25.000 FPS with a MIN: 24.000 FPS and a MAX: 26.087 FPS
30.000 reads in MediaInfo as 30.000 FPS with a MIN: 28.571 FPS and a MAX: 31.579 FPS
48.000 reads in MediaInfo as 48.000 FPS with a MIN: 46.154 FPS and a MAX: 50.000 FPS
50.000 reads in MediaInfo as 50.000 FPS with a MIN: 46.154 FPS and a MAX: 54.545 FPS
60.000 reads in MediaInfo as 60.000 FPS with a MIN: 54.545 FPS and a MAX: 66.667 FPS

I do also believe that there is a bug on the H265 with Rec2020 - HDR where its showing under automatic settings as peaking while Rec709 is not. but i haven't really tested that option and would require others to test aswell.

Phone used was the 256GB iPhone 15 Pro Max by the way.


Use ffmpeg to check the footage, I can assure you that the 24 footage is actually VFR. Mediainfo only checks the first few seconds of the video and if it's constant, will mark the entire clip as constant when it's not. This is a limitation of the iOS camera API and nothing can be done by BMD unfortunately.
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Re: BMD Camera App

PostFri Oct 06, 2023 6:12 am

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Coasterghost wrote:
CaptainHook wrote:What's New in Blackmagic Camera 1.1
* Support for recording at 23.98, 29.97 and 59.94 fps.


I did some 10 second clip testing this evening and only the 24FPS is still CFR, everything else is VFR.

Some observations of my very short test clips (all are Apple Log at ProRes 422 LT recorded to Internal memeory):
23.98 reads in MediaInfo as 22.999 FPS with a MIN: 22.222 FPS and a MAX: 23.077 FPS
29.97 reads in MediaInfo as 28.993 FPS with a MIN: 28.571 FPS and a MAX: 30.000 FPS
59.94 reads in MediaInfo as 58.995 FPS with a MIN: 54.545 FPS and a MAX: 60.000 FPS
Additional 422 tests for 23.98 and 59.94 are the same exact numbers as well.

24.000 reads in Media Info as Constant
25.000 reads in MediaInfo as 25.000 FPS with a MIN: 24.000 FPS and a MAX: 26.087 FPS
30.000 reads in MediaInfo as 30.000 FPS with a MIN: 28.571 FPS and a MAX: 31.579 FPS
48.000 reads in MediaInfo as 48.000 FPS with a MIN: 46.154 FPS and a MAX: 50.000 FPS
50.000 reads in MediaInfo as 50.000 FPS with a MIN: 46.154 FPS and a MAX: 54.545 FPS
60.000 reads in MediaInfo as 60.000 FPS with a MIN: 54.545 FPS and a MAX: 66.667 FPS

I do also believe that there is a bug on the H265 with Rec2020 - HDR where its showing under automatic settings as peaking while Rec709 is not. but i haven't really tested that option and would require others to test aswell.

Phone used was the 256GB iPhone 15 Pro Max by the way.


Use ffmpeg to check the footage, I can assure you that the 24 footage is actually VFR. Mediainfo only checks the first few seconds of the video and if it's constant, will mark the entire clip as constant when it's not. This is a limitation of the iOS camera API and nothing can be done by BMD unfortunately.


Using in command prompt:
Code: Select all
ffmpeg -i input -vf vfrdet -an -f null -


23.98: [Parsed_vfrdet_0 @ 000001b3ec16aa40] VFR:0.176471 (54/252) min: 26 max: 27 avg: 26
24.00: [Parsed_vfrdet_0 @ 000002a6ee88c800] VFR:0.000000 (0/255) [/code]
25.00: [Parsed_vfrdet_0 @ 0000023fb6b55b40] VFR:0.017544 (4/224) min: 23 max: 25 avg: 24
29.97: [Parsed_vfrdet_0 @ 0000026f6e872e40] VFR:0.613333 (184/116) min: 20 max: 21 avg: 20
30.00: [Parsed_vfrdet_0 @ 000002917262c800] VFR:0.013812 (5/357) min: 19 max: 21 avg: 20
48.00: [Parsed_vfrdet_0 @ 00000203bfffe500] VFR:0.994071 (503/3) min: 12 max: 13 avg: 12
50.00: [Parsed_vfrdet_0 @ 00000188b9217e00] VFR:0.012963 (7/533) min: 11 max: 13 avg: 11
59.94: [Parsed_vfrdet_0 @ 00000172c80bb140] VFR:0.341308 (214/413) min: 10 max: 11 avg: 10
60.00: [Parsed_vfrdet_0 @ 000001c130784000] VFR:0.008711 (5/569) min: 9 max: 11 avg: 10

Beyond that, my longest test clip has been 3:25 at 24fps with 422LT on V1.01 and did have a VFR of [Parsed_vfrdet_0 @ 00000278ecd121c0] VFR:0.007692 (38/4902) min: 24 max: 26 avg: 24

But the second longest for 24fps at the same 422LT recorded at 44 seconds is CFR [Parsed_vfrdet_0 @ 000001f613663e80] VFR:0.000000 (0/1059)

I hope to have the time to do some more tests that are longer over the upcoming weekend.

Even going back on past recordings I’ve made back to the iPhone 8 using the app ProMovie, while it’s only 4K Rec 709 at 120Mbps H265, there was VFR, but it was always constant. A 2hr and 11 recording would show in media info, 60fps with a min of 59.850 and a max of 60.150, so you can limit how VFR is done. That came back with:
[Parsed_vfrdet_0 @ 00000202698567c0] VFR:0.111731 (52813/419865) min: 399 max: 401 avg: 399
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Re: BMD Camera App

PostFri Oct 06, 2023 11:04 am

CaptainHook wrote:What's New in Blackmagic Camera 1.1
* Support for recording at 23.98, 29.97 and 59.94 fps.
* Support for Tentacle Sync E for external timecode sync.
* Support for Tilta Nucleus Nano and Nucleus M lens control.
* Support to lock application orientation in settings.
* Support for landscape mode in both directions on iPhone 6.7" models.
* Support for HDMI output with status text overlays.
* Support to mirror the display to an HDMI output.
* Project selection is now retained across app restarts.
* Existing clips now upload when setting is changed to uploads originals.
* Addressed potential glitches when notifications received during recording.
* Addressed issue where recording could sometimes not be stopped.
* Addressed Apple Log option availability on user migrated iPhones.
* Addressed gamma issues previewing video in Apple Log mode.
* Addressed issue when recording to HEVC in Apple Log.
* Addressed an issue with HDMI clean feed on some TVs.
* General performance and stability improvements.


Amazing update! Kudos to the BMD team on great customer focus and fast turnaround. Even on a brand new field for the company like an iPhone camera app!

Would love to see more advanced monitoring options at some point (Waveform Monitor, Vectorscope).
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PostFri Oct 06, 2023 11:15 am

Wow, that was fast!
Now that the cat #19 is out of the bag, test it as much as you can and use the subforum.

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Re: BMD Camera App

PostFri Oct 06, 2023 11:45 am

Need to test more but I'm getting a strange (~5 IRE) negative exposure bump when Cinematic stabilization is turned on. And it happens during the first few frames of the recording, so you can actually see it happen. It doesn't seem to happen in Standard though.

Otherwise monitoring with the LUT is looking good.
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Anyone got 'Audio Gain' slider working? Maybe only works when using external mic? Wasn't in the list of fixes - maybe next version?
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oliwend wrote:
joeyciccoline wrote:I imagine this will be the case with anything except the iPhone 15 Pro since you'd be stuck with USB 2 speeds.

Yeah and I’m ok with that situation for my use case: having the phone in my jeans pocket, pulling it out and immediately start shooting.No fancy rig, no SSD dangling around.
Still trying to find an easy and good working solution for an VND filter though…but that’s a different topic.


If I can give you a tip: I got the SmallRig rig and cage for my iPhone 14 Pro Max. All aluminum cage where you can connect anything, and two grips including one with BT control for start and stop. The cage allows you to put filters and optics with M attachment. I use both the VND of SmallRig and the POL. In addition to the 1.55x anamorphic optics always from the same manufacturer.
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PostFri Oct 06, 2023 6:46 pm

Steve Alexander wrote:Anyone got 'Audio Gain' slider working? Maybe only works when using external mic? Wasn't in the list of fixes - maybe next version?


Unfortunately not. Still the audio of the iPhone Mic cannot be adjusted.
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Thecreator82 wrote:
If I can give you a tip: I got the SmallRig rig and cage for my iPhone 14 Pro Max. All aluminum cage where you can connect anything, and two grips including one with BT control for start and stop. The cage allows you to put filters and optics with M attachment. I use both the VND of SmallRig and the POL. In addition to the 1.55x anamorphic optics always from the same manufacturer.


Thanks for the tip Fausto. I did look into Smallrig but I have an iPhone 13 and they don’t offer something unfortunately…
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PostFri Oct 06, 2023 7:45 pm

No Gen 5 colour recording and no RGB histogram for UMP G2 and how long we have been asking for these? Good to know were Blackmagic's priority is you think they have shares in iPhone :cry:
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As far as rigs go, I use Beastgrip's Beastcage for the iPhone 13 Pro Max. They'll be coming out with one for the 15 later this year. IMO, I think they have the best cage of any I've seen.
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PostSat Oct 07, 2023 4:12 am

I think they are just trying to keep connection to a segment of the market that will be lost for their own cameras.
Now that the cat #19 is out of the bag, test it as much as you can and use the subforum.

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PostSat Oct 07, 2023 9:48 am

Anyone else having trouble with the front cam, which with mirror on or off, still shows the same mirrored image? On 1.1.
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innatemusic wrote:As far as rigs go, I use Beastgrip's Beastcage for the iPhone 13 Pro Max. They'll be coming out with one for the 15 later this year. IMO, I think they have the best cage of any I've seen.

Looks decent but over the top for me. I found a simple magnetic filterholder (for 52 mm screw-on filters) which I‘ll try on a spare case.
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PostSat Oct 07, 2023 9:58 am

sturmen wrote:. . . "external timecode sync for Tentacle Sync E". I don't have one so I don't know how they work, but I do have the Deity TC-1, so hopefully it works the same way...
It works without problems with multiple Tentacle Sync E and Track E devices. Just synchronize in the Tentacle App and choose one in the Camera App´s settings.

I would be surprised if Deity Bluetooth protocols are compatible.
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oliwend wrote:
innatemusic wrote:As far as rigs go, I use Beastgrip's Beastcage for the iPhone 13 Pro Max. They'll be coming out with one for the 15 later this year. IMO, I think they have the best cage of any I've seen.

Looks decent but over the top for me. I found a simple magnetic filterholder (for 52 mm screw-on filters) which I‘ll try on a spare case.
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Link please?

Does it work with newer 15 iPhones?
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PostSat Oct 07, 2023 1:41 pm

John Spirou wrote:Link please?

Does it work with newer 15 iPhones?

Check it out: https://www.powrig.com/products/iphone14?_pos=1&_sid=23efd53cf&_ss=r&variant=39870998544455

For the bigger phones it’s a 58 mm thread.

I‘ll report back once tested.

Did also order an VND ND 2-400 from K+F. I don’t expect much in terms of quality (X) but let’s see. My goal is to keep it simple, lightweight, phone in the pocket, run’n’gun video shooting when I’m eg. on a hike.
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PostSat Oct 07, 2023 1:57 pm

There's also this that doesn't require a magnetic sticker which some say doesn't work well, comes in 77mm filter size in case of vignetting, has different versions for VND's and non variable ND's and can be used with a MagSafe case https://www.etsy.com/listing/1429576547 ... ckQAvD_BwE


This person was thinking because a variable nd can cause issues with the dreaded X .

Just a note: if you want to use a tripod clamp with this you will need one with large jaw clamps as the magnetic ring adds depth.
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PostSat Oct 07, 2023 2:04 pm

Mike Los wrote:There's also this that doesn't require a magnetic sticker which some say doesn't work well, comes in 77mm filter size in case of vignetting, has different versions for VND's and non variable ND's and can be used with a MagSafe case https://www.etsy.com/listing/1429576547 ... ckQAvD_BwE


This person was thinking because a variable nd can cause issues with the dreaded X .

Nice! Although little big wit 77 mm thread. On the other hand I have a good quality VND in 77 mm size.
Phone in the left pocket, filter in the right ? :D
Just saw only shipping inside the US :cry: Will ask him…
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PostSat Oct 07, 2023 2:15 pm

Person says they can make any size you want. Me, I have 67mm and 77mm filters so it works great.

If they won't ship to Germany theres this but its more expensive:
https://prismlensfx.com/collections/acc ... -pre-order
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Mike Los wrote:Person says they can make any size you want. Me, I have 67mm and 77mm filters so it works great.

If they won't ship to Germany theres this but its more expensive:
https://prismlensfx.com/collections/acc ... -pre-order
I need one that supports 82mm filters and ships to Canada and can be integrated with the Zacuto Smart Viewfinder!
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PostSat Oct 07, 2023 6:13 pm

So glad I always supported innovative companies like Blackmagic and tentaclesync. Just updated my Track E's that now output timecode and when I turn on Bluetooth the Blackmagic app automatically recognizes the Track E's timecode. I use pro mic's on my rig and attach a track E to the mic for 32 bit float recording by shooting double system sound and having this feature now allows me to have time code to all my Track E's and the phone. Amazing.
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PostSat Oct 07, 2023 8:04 pm

I hope they also add support for Deity TC-1 timecode boxes. I use those and love them.


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PostSun Oct 08, 2023 8:44 pm

Fantastic info contributed in this thread, thank you all.

Just wanted to confirm for anyone interested, that the latest BMD Camera App v1.1 still supports an iPad Air 5th Generation (March 2022 M1) saving UHD ProRes to an external (Sandisk 4TB) SSD. At least with ProRes 422LT, it also works through an Anker 8-in-1 hub, which allows me to add external power while the SSD is plugged in.

By the way, if anyone has a pinout or other resources for folks to power their iPad via the back (keyboard) contacts as the Apple Magic Keyboard for iPad does, I’d be very grateful to hear about it.

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*Note that these screen captures are of two different clips, at two different frame rates.
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PostSun Oct 08, 2023 9:30 pm

Finally got around to testing the Tilta Nucleus M. It's cool. Not sure how useful it will be without wireless video for an AC to see the picture. But it's definitely promising.
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PostSun Oct 08, 2023 9:35 pm

Tony Spiraletti wrote:So with this new update, does that mean the frame rates are now locked or still variable?


I believe the VFR is an API limitation by Apple. As long as they don't change it, BMD won't be able to change the app. I saw someone else mentioning that with timecode update it should in practice no longer be an issue, however they did not elaborate. Maybe someone here can? Does that just mean audio drift will be prevented if properly TC-locked to the recording mic? Or is Resolve (or another software) able to account for VFR when provided with TC?
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PostSun Oct 08, 2023 10:29 pm

It is an Apple issue.

It seems random. Sometimes it locks in and sometimes it has a head scratchingly small difference.

I imagine with external TC it will be the same as shooting off speed on any other BMD camera. The TC will be correct for the very first frame and then it will drift if it's not at the locked frame rate. (think "off speed")

When all of these cameras start rolling the TC is grabbed from on the first frame and then it does a FRAME COUNT for TC after that. So if the TC changes half way through a take it will update the clock but not the current file being recorded because that's being frame counted from whatever the TC was on the first frame.

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@Ken.Rennie
Your camera picture shows recording at 23.98 fps and your media picture shows 30 fps. Is this a concern for you?
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PostMon Oct 09, 2023 2:15 am

hi Rick,

These are two different clips.

I only shot a 30 fps clip as an experiment to see what a very slightly retimed clip (30 to 23.98 fps) would look like.


rick.lang wrote:@Ken.Rennie
Your camera picture shows recording at 23.98 fps and your media picture shows 30 fps. Is this a concern for you?
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Thanks for the clarification, Ken.
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PostMon Oct 09, 2023 3:13 am

timbutt2 wrote:Finally got around to testing the Tilta Nucleus M. It's cool. Not sure how useful it will be without wireless video for an AC to see the picture. But it's definitely promising.


It's being used now on some large shoots.. with tethered HDMI cable for pix.
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Peter Chamberlain wrote:
timbutt2 wrote:Finally got around to testing the Tilta Nucleus M. It's cool. Not sure how useful it will be without wireless video for an AC to see the picture. But it's definitely promising.


It's being used now on some large shoots.. with tethered HDMI cable for pix.

Cool. Still I'm going to hope for a Nucleus M II that has lens mapping that will work better with the URSA Mini Pro lineup. And, the next generation of UMP cameras to take things on ports and connectors as well as having a front Lemo that will power the motors and communicate with them.

Either way, it is pretty cool that Blackmagic is bringing so much to the iPhone.
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PostMon Oct 09, 2023 1:12 pm

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Thecreator82 wrote:
If I can give you a tip: I got the SmallRig rig and cage for my iPhone 14 Pro Max. All aluminum cage where you can connect anything, and two grips including one with BT control for start and stop. The cage allows you to put filters and optics with M attachment. I use both the VND of SmallRig and the POL. In addition to the 1.55x anamorphic optics always from the same manufacturer.


Thanks for the tip Fausto. I did look into Smallrig but I have an iPhone 13 and they don’t offer something unfortunately…


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PostMon Oct 09, 2023 8:24 pm

Any update on Timelapse? Slider in Settings doesn't seem to do anything.
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PostThu Oct 12, 2023 6:22 am

oliwend wrote:Nice! Although little big wit 77 mm thread. On the other hand I have a good quality VND in 77 mm size.
Phone in the left pocket, filter in the right ? :D
Just saw only shipping inside the US :cry: Will ask him…

Confirmed: will not ship overseas!
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¿BMD Camera buffers takes before writing to external media?

PostMon Oct 16, 2023 2:01 pm

Good day, all.

Here’s a discovery I made while using the BMD Camera app, which may apply to anyone using slow media or a slow data interface.

I have an inexpensive Kingston dual USB-C + USB-A 128 GB memory stick. I formatted it (on a computer, because iDevices have no such privileges) to ExFAT so that it can store files larger than 8 GB.

I began with takes to *ProRes 422 LT and then emboldened, to regular ProRes 422. To my surprise and delight, upon finishing each take, the icon for external media at the bottom of the app screen flashes for a number of seconds while (apparently) the app writes the buffered file to external media.

This doesn't happen using a fast SSD, but the fact that the app seems to be buffering may open opportunities for people using pre- iPhone 15 phones with Lightning connections, too.

Clearly, take length will be limited by the codec choice and available storage on the device, but in in situations other than rapid-fire run-and-gun situations, owners of Lightning and older plain USB-C devices may be able to enjoy some real filming opportunities.

It would be great if folks could chime in with their own experiences with this apparent buffering capability.

Here’s the cheap stick I used:

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(original file photographed with Halide in macro mode, and heavily compressed for upload)

* https://support.apple.com/en-us/102207

Ken.Rennie wrote:Fantastic info contributed in this thread, thank you all.

Just wanted to confirm for anyone interested, that the latest BMD Camera App v1.1 still supports an iPad Air 5th Generation (March 2022 M1) saving UHD ProRes to an external (Sandisk 4TB) SSD. At least with ProRes 422LT, it also works through an Anker 8-in-1 hub, which allows me to add external power while the SSD is plugged in.

By the way, if anyone has a pinout or other resources for folks to power their iPad via the back (keyboard) contacts as the Apple Magic Keyboard for iPad does, I’d be very grateful to hear about it.

(attachments redacted)
 
*Note that these screen captures are of two different clips, at two different frame rates.
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Because I have been asked this scores of times, this link explains how to access all the Resolve pages on iPads:
https://www.provideocoalition.com/unlock-all-the-resolve-for-ipad-pages/

Comments by BM’s Peter Chamberlain, included.
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