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Jesuan wrote:Yeah 440 mb/s.

And I don't think most of the people get their cameras at the end of the year... you know christmas and all that s**t. when did you preorder yours, costa?

Jesus

April 24th 2012 is the timestamp of my email receipt. Seems like AGES ago:(

How hard can it be

working night and day! Just try to keep your promise!
Seriously, it's BMD to blame when it is those who have full responsibility.
It is BMD who have developed the product and that includes the glass that sits on the censor.
Everyone's precious time is lost. All because incompetence.

so it's time to over deliver on your promises.

mhood wrote:

albertnromero wrote:

mhood wrote:Deliver a few thousand cameras and see how fast these shipping threads disappear.

We will miss u all xD

Actually, it will be good to get my life back.

haha, yeah, and our dignity
i have been the first on my reseller since they anounced. the first two months i feel like lucky, proud, the badass from my group and work muhahaha. Since last few months i feel like a stupid.

goodnoah wrote:[b]
It is BMD who have developed the product and that includes the glass that sits on the censor.

Please check your facts before you post, other readers might think the information that you posted is right.
BMD did not develop the glass, another company did, and for your information the Sensor company did not develop the glass either.

shuibin14 wrote: http://www.cmosis.com/news/press_releas ... e_cmv12000

Check on the right to see the Part status it is sampling not shipping

http://www.cmosis.com/products/standard ... s/cmv12000

rawCAM35 wrote:

goodnoah wrote:It is BMD who have developed the product and that includes the glass that sits on the censor.

Please check your facts before you post, other readers might think the information that you posted is right.
BMD did not develop the glass, another company did, and for your information the Sensor company did not develop the glass either.

He did not say BMD developed the glass. He very clearly states that BMD developed the product. The word "that" in the quoted sentence very clearly refers to the "product". The product includes the glass that sits on the sensor. No where in that sentence does it say that BMD developed the glass. Had he worded it slightly differently then your comment would make sense, but right now it looks like you are getting after someone for something they didn't even say.

mr petty, In what capacity can Fairchildsemi produce censors?

rawCAM35 wrote:

shuibin14 wrote: http://www.cmosis.com/news/press_releas ... e_cmv12000

Check on the right to see the Part status it is sampling not shipping

http://www.cmosis.com/products/standard ... s/cmv12000

Yes the real sensor is made by fairchildsemi. #oops top secret#


PROPS to fairchildsemi.

David form BMCUSER wrote: but right now it looks like you are getting after someone for something they didn't even say.

I am not after anyone for any reason, I thought that I am correcting a reader, my understanding of what he wrote is that BMD developed the Camera and the glass on the sensor " It is BMD who have developed the product and that includes the glass that sits on the censor.".

I am not an expert in any shape or form in the English language, it is my second language, I am trying my best, I apologies if I was wrong and I welcome the correction

rawCAM35 wrote:

David form BMCUSER wrote: but right now it looks like you are getting after someone for something they didn't even say.

I am not after anyone for any reason, I thought that I am correcting a reader, my understanding of what he wrote is that BMD developed the Camera and the glass on the sensor " It is BMD who have developed the product and that includes the glass that sits on the censor.".

I am not an expert in any shape or form in the English language, it is my second language, I am trying my best, I apologies if I was wrong and I welcome the correction

I very certain that your intent is for the accuracy of information being posted and that is greatly appreciated as many posts include misinformation. I also think that if you interpreted it in that way, it possible for others to have interpreted it in that same way, so again thank you for wanting to to keep the information being posted accurate.

Christine Peterson wrote:

Jesuan wrote:And btw I think they only will ship 30 cameras as this is the amount of cameras they get in every batch from the supplier.

30 sensors is just the size of their test batches.

So that means approx 30 more cameras have gone out. Yay! 30 more lucky people will get theirs.

Jesuan wrote:
And btw I think they only will ship 30 cameras as this is the amount of cameras they get in every batch from the supplier. Btw can we know the name of the supplier? just for curiosity.

Jesus

I think you'll find the "30" number is only what constitutes a test batch.....not every batch.

jb

John Brawley wrote:

Jesuan wrote:
And btw I think they only will ship 30 cameras as this is the amount of cameras they get in every batch from the supplier. Btw can we know the name of the supplier? just for curiosity.

Jesus

I think you'll find the "30" number is only what constitutes a test batch.....not every batch.

jb

As I said on other post, that's an assumption by me. And Grand said "a small amount of sensors". If the quantity BMD has right now is higher.....you know the bigger the better

Jesus

What is really cool about all of this, is that we are now on the edge of having all these really good cameras and software to make our dreams come alive. All the complaints are from excited people ready to create with these new tools. Yes, they do get a bit too picky now & then.

This will be a great new adventure! I'm very excited.

My dealer has told me my BMCC just arrived,
I'm from Viet Nam, and I don't know how many BMCC come here?
I will come to the dealer office to have a look and then pay the bill to take it home, It cost me nearly US Dollar 4000 to own this one in Viet Nam.

why 4000 uSD, taxes and import or?

CVP just tweeted:
"Actually we need about 300 of these to make a decent dent in our back-order list..."

Michael Sandiford wrote:CVP just tweeted:
"Actually we need about 300 of these to make a decent dent in our back-order list..."

I wonder if lots of people pre-ordered recently. I pre-ordered in late September and apparently I am 122nd in line with them. I hope that BMD can ramp up this week and start sending out larger amounts of cameras. Here's to hoping there won't be any more problems from now on

I'm apparently no 2 on ProAV's list (in the UK). Still holding out on getting mine before I fly to Australia in December for 5 weeks...

Mikolaj Kepinski wrote:why 4000 uSD, taxes and import or?

$US 4000 include $350 VAT + dealer profit, I think

I'm worried that I preordered my camera too late in the game. That I'll be getting it way after the new year....

But maybe there will be new firmware updates ready to go by that time.

go check my new thread "Sounds like good news" for a positive update

DanAllen wrote:I'm worried that I preordered my camera too late in the game. That I'll be getting it way after the new year....

But maybe there will be new firmware updates ready to go by that time.

Woldn't worry to much. I've not even ordered mine yet. Once the regular shipping occurs and the real testing begins then I'll order mine.

Michael Sandiford wrote:

DanAllen wrote:I'm worried that I preordered my camera too late in the game. That I'll be getting it way after the new year....

But maybe there will be new firmware updates ready to go by that time.

Woldn't worry to much. I've not even ordered mine yet. Once the regular shipping occurs and the real testing begins then I'll order mine.

bravo.....someone with some sense +1

Michael Sandiford wrote:

DanAllen wrote:I'm worried that I preordered my camera too late in the game. That I'll be getting it way after the new year....

But maybe there will be new firmware updates ready to go by that time.

Woldn't worry to much. I've not even ordered mine yet. Once the regular shipping occurs and the real testing begins then I'll order mine.

+1

Grant, have you got some good news about production to give us yet?!

Nick Bedford wrote:Grant, have you got some good news about production to give us yet?!

You know, if Grant times this correctly, he could give us something to be thankful for at Thanksgiving and something really special for Christmas.

mhood wrote:

Nick Bedford wrote:Grant, have you got some good news about production to give us yet?!

You know, if Grant times this correctly, he could give us something to be thankful for at Thanksgiving and something really special for Christmas.

Well, we don't celebrate Thanksgiving but I'll take a $3,000 Christmas present!

rawCAM35 wrote:

greggreenhaw wrote:Grant did you look into this sensor at all?
http://www.cmosis.com/products/standard_products/cmv12000
Its been around for a while and production is most likely more stable.
Why not hit the ball out of the park?

It has not been around for a while, this sensor still in ( sampling ) not shipping status, I signed an NDA with CMOSIS back in May 2012 for the CMV12000, now you can rent ( not cheap ) an evaluation board per day to test basic functions of the sensor, but the sensor still not shipping yet.
BTW no one so far complained about stability of the BMD camera sensor

The sensor is too small, just give us super 35mm like all other cinema cameras. We need 60p at least. I shoot frequently with anamorphic adapters and it is very hard/expensive to get an lens with internal zoom in the 28-100 range. The small sensor complicates lens selection. Black Magic has proven the market and should have the pull to get this sensor out there.

Grant Petty wrote:... The plan at the moment is to do a small production run this week and we hope to get those sensors next week where we can build cameras using them and see how it all goes.

But things are looking quite good. This run of cameras next week will test the sensor supplier's ability to build sensors without contamination and to also be able to test them correctly so we only get good sensors. If that's all ok then we look like we will be able to move back into production.

I will update everyone next week when we know. I also hope to have more info on how fast they can ramp up with this new supplier and the new test. ...

Hi Grant: I hope the small production run is/was successful. Thanks for keeping us in the loop. Looking forward to hearing how things are progressing, good news or bad. Cheers!

So diplomatic Peter. Why not just come out with it? We want an update and we want it NOW!!!!

greggreenhaw wrote:

rawCAM35 wrote:

greggreenhaw wrote:Grant did you look into this sensor at all?
http://www.cmosis.com/products/standard_products/cmv12000
Its been around for a while and production is most likely more stable.
Why not hit the ball out of the park?

It has not been around for a while, this sensor still in ( sampling ) not shipping status, I signed an NDA with CMOSIS back in May 2012 for the CMV12000, now you can rent ( not cheap ) an evaluation board per day to test basic functions of the sensor, but the sensor still not shipping yet.
BTW no one so far complained about stability of the BMD camera sensor

The sensor is too small, just give us super 35mm like all other cinema cameras. We need 60p at least. I shoot frequently with anamorphic adapters and it is very hard/expensive to get an lens with internal zoom in the 28-100 range. The small sensor complicates lens selection. Black Magic has proven the market and should have the pull to get this sensor out there.

Then this version of the BMCC is not for you. maybe version 2 or another camera. Scarlet maybe?

My reseller called me a few minutes ago and they said they just wrapped a meeting with BMD distributors and it seems like the camera could be available in Turkey something like February or March. I hoped to see the camera in my hands until end of January, so I am a bit sad now as you can guess because I just ordered SSDs and batteries from US and they will be delivered to me 1st or 2nd December.

They supply to me a camera for a whole day next week.. Now I just want to play with the camera with that chance because it seems like, I have a long time to have camera.. Damn!

Maybe it's all in who you talk to, but I just contacted B&H customer service, gave them my order number and asked if they had any news. Nathan said they had absolutely no new information.

thejasonbee wrote:Maybe it's all in who you talk to, but I just contacted B&H customer service, gave them my order number and asked if they had any news. Nathan said they had absolutely no new information.

Someone at B&H got their hand slapped by Blackmagic for saying too much in an online chat perhaps...

Pollenstudio wrote:

thejasonbee wrote:Maybe it's all in who you talk to, but I just contacted B&H customer service, gave them my order number and asked if they had any news. Nathan said they had absolutely no new information.

Someone at B&H got their hand slapped by Blackmagic for saying too much in an online chat perhaps...

So they really do that? I mean, I know this is all 007-James-Bond-top-secret-stuff, and these cameras are going to save the world and all but...do we really need to be this secretive?

Pollenstudio wrote:Where in Dusseldorf are you Soeren?

I produce quite a few AV projects at exhibitions around Europe and come to Dusseldorf a lot - I was there for 5 weeks for Drupa earlier this year. We stayed at a hotel in Oberkassel and then out in an excellent hotel in Meerbusch called Gut Dyckhof. Love the city - some great places to eat and drink. Unfortunately I spend most of the time in the Messe though!

Hey Tom, sorry totally didn't see your posting .. blinded by "shipping-hornyness" maybe..

That's funny.. small world it is.. I also had a small video job at Drupa this year. Oberkassel is quite posh, don't like it that much but yeah it's quite nice here for going out and getting wasted uuuhm having a drink I meant sorry .. btw I'm located in Bilk which is still sort of in the center of things... gimme a ring (or PM) in case you're here again! So we can share the pain of waiting for the BMC over a few beer

Resellers in Hungary are also talking about the expected arrival of the camera in the first quarter of 2013...
Wait! NAB is in April? Yes!!

If the camera comes in March, I think no one on the budget will buy it until then. It's just a risk! The competition might answer to this camera on the show.

You know I never thought of that. I'm going to NAB this year...maybe I should wait to see if anything amazing is brought out?

But that's sooooooo far away. I want to move from my 5D to a full camera sooner than that. I was really hoping to have mine by December

hello forum,
i've been following the shipping threads for some time now. this morning i received word from my friend who works at the company i ordered from here in the US and they said this week they received an update from their rep at BM. unfortunately, it looks like i should have placed my pre-order much earlier - there are approx 300 pre-orders ahead of me so they anticipate my order won't be shipped in March or April. i'm so frustrated, but still can't wait to get this beautiful camera. i guess this is the price to pay for innovation.

if any others have received cameras, please let us know who you ordered it from and when you placed your preorder. i placed my pre-order with Adorama in July.

thanks!

marc schullman

Don't feel bad, Marcs. I pre ordered from Adorama in October, hehehe. We don't know what full production means to BMD, so let's not speculate on the wait time. I think we'll be surprised after the camera goes into full production.

marcs wrote:hello forum,
i've been following the shipping threads for some time now. this morning i received word from my friend who works at the company i ordered from here in the US and they said this week they received an update from their rep at BM. unfortunately, it looks like i should have placed my pre-order much earlier - there are approx 300 pre-orders ahead of me so they anticipate my order won't be shipped in March or April. i'm so frustrated, but still can't wait to get this beautiful camera. i guess this is the price to pay for innovation.

if any others have received cameras, please let us know who you ordered it from and when you placed your preorder. i placed my pre-order with Adorama in July.

thanks!

marc schullman

i guess i assumed Adorama got some sort of update about production, otherwise they wouldn't have told me march-april time frame. hope i'm wrong and you're right!

i want to be optimistic also, but until BMD gives a definitive answer as to what "full production" means, it is probably a safer bet to remain skeptical about a sooner-rather-than-later ship date. it feels more logical to trust my reseller here...bmd feel free to correct me with real numbers!

it seems like most on this forum would agree there are 1000s of pre-orders (800 alone from bhphoto) so i think it is rational to not get too excited about getting our cameras too soon! even if bmd can produce 100s per month, there are a TON of pre-orders for this great little camera.

cheers,

ms

[quote="Lorenzo Straight"] We don't know what full production means to BMD, so let's not speculate on the wait time. I think we'll be surprised after the camera goes into full production.

Soeren Mueller wrote:

Pollenstudio wrote:Where in Dusseldorf are you Soeren?

I produce quite a few AV projects at exhibitions around Europe and come to Dusseldorf a lot - I was there for 5 weeks for Drupa earlier this year. We stayed at a hotel in Oberkassel and then out in an excellent hotel in Meerbusch called Gut Dyckhof. Love the city - some great places to eat and drink. Unfortunately I spend most of the time in the Messe though!

Hey Tom, sorry totally didn't see your posting .. blinded by "shipping-hornyness" maybe..

That's funny.. small world it is.. I also had a small video job at Drupa this year. Oberkassel is quite posh, don't like it that much but yeah it's quite nice here for going out and getting wasted uuuhm having a drink I meant sorry .. btw I'm located in Bilk which is still sort of in the center of things... gimme a ring (or PM) in case you're here again! So we can share the pain of waiting for the BMC over a few beer

Yeah I'll look you up when I'm back. Who did you produce for at drupa? We were working for Komori and a couple of other firms. Enjoyed the altstadt-been there a few times in the last 8 years! Zum Schiffchen is great!

I will update everyone next week when we know. I also hope to have more info on how fast they can ramp up with this new supplier and the new test.

Any news on when to expect another update?

sean mclennan wrote:You know I never thought of that. I'm going to NAB this year...maybe I should wait to see if anything amazing is brought out?

But that's sooooooo far away. I want to move from my 5D to a full camera sooner than that. I was really hoping to have mine by December

If its a smaller manufacturer then whatever is announced at Nab probably wont be available for several months, by NAB BM would have lost year of head start but that isn't much time to get a complicated product to market.

The only thing that can really entice me over Blackmagic are cameras with the same image and more framerate options, I'm invested in MFT lenses at the moment so a bigger sensor wouldn't do it, unless it was the step up to a MFT sensor.

I might wait for NAB if my camera isn't projected to arrive until March, but seriously who is going to come out with a competitor? All the major camera companies have recently refreshed their lineup (although panasonic could hardly be called a refresh), I'm no longer interested in the compromise of DSLR shooting; gopro is rumored - however I see gopro as a flash in the pan type company like flip was. Pretty soon cell phones will be shock and water resistant and then gopro is dead.

Ryan McCarvill wrote:

sean mclennan wrote:You know I never thought of that. I'm going to NAB this year...maybe I should wait to see if anything amazing is brought out?

But that's sooooooo far away. I want to move from my 5D to a full camera sooner than that. I was really hoping to have mine by December

If its a smaller manufacturer then whatever is announced at Nab probably wont be available for several months, by NAB BM would have lost year of head start but that isn't much time to get a complicated product to market.

The only thing that can really entice me over Blackmagic are cameras with the same image and more framerate options, I'm invested in MFT lenses at the moment so a bigger sensor wouldn't do it, unless it was the step up to a MFT sensor.

I might wait for NAB if my camera isn't projected to arrive until March, but seriously who is going to come out with a competitor? All the major camera companies have recently refreshed their lineup (although panasonic could hardly be called a refresh), I'm no longer interested in the compromise of DSLR shooting; gopro is rumored - however I see gopro as a flash in the pan type company like flip was. Pretty soon cell phones will be shock and water resistant and then gopro is dead.

There is Digital Bolex and Kineraw that we already know about, believe me there will be competitors.

reading your comments guys get me worried. I'm seriously worried.. worried that I kept waiting all this ~7 months long and still keep on waiting and waiting and to this day I still have no idea when mine is to be shipped!! and what your dealers are speculating is worrisome. Those contradictions of one dealer being optimistic and happy news all about soon and the others are being pessimistic about it giving it a 2013 news!!

It seems that real competition for the BMCC is really not all that far off at all.

This via FXguide:

Mini Kineraw announced (Via Matthew Allard (mattaljazeera) on Twitter) There will be Kineraw MINI very soon.

Features:

Only record CinemaDNG codec, No Cineform codec
Much smaller and lighter than KR. May be in your palm.

Same Sensor with KR, so it is S35 too. Same amzaing image quality then.
Fanless
Build-in Li+ Battery which may work 5 hours
Single SSD
Dual HDMI, but No build-in SDI
Same mounting system with KR, electronic Iris EF mount support
Audio is 2.5mm MIC in.

starting from 3999 USD release date TBA

Taken from: http://media.fxguide.com/the_rc/the_rc-121-notes.pdf

I read about it few days ago and I was liking it.. But my only trouble with it is the HDMI.. I don't like them I prefer hd-sdi output.. I mean this is to be camera for professional work, why do companies still insist on including HDMI and eliminating sdi port.. Include them both but if you had to choose one, I think the choice is an sdi port is more reasonable and efficient..