Clayton Von Isaacs wrote:And your point is? At one point cuneiform was not open source when Cineform made and made money off of it. Apple users like to use ProRes as it is built b the company that made the operating system and works without issue on it. Many working professionals still prefer Mac as it has less issues than windows. I myself migrated 2 years ago to Mac only and I will never go back to windows again. Half of my time was spent dealing with Windows issues and headaches. Never again. But yes it is Mac only. So what? Yes it is only read by Final Cut now but that is an attempt to lure people back to using FinalCut in a market that they dominated before screwing up and making FinalCut X. It will be open to Mac users eventually because Mac people will demand it. I used to use Cineform raw. Found it okay but nowhere near as good as ProRes. And ProRes RAW is not an older system. It is a new codec in a well established line of cedes.
my point is that prores is Application related performance, no many NLE use scalability of prores (from his first incarnation), reason that fcp is faster to edit than another NLE with same file, and more... Cf is workflow (data driven) optimized. I used CFraw under mac in 2013 to build a complete pipeline under mac exactly be cause i allow editor to work fine with raw files instead proxy and spread files along multiple structure in a indie production where i know that they are loose time, money and more.
I work fine with mac Os and Windows in video editing from since 1995, from first video card capture and betacam, in both World i found issue, but few issue, be cause i used to use strong and well verified workstation under mac and win.
Most of professional that not use Mac deal with economic computer windows or worst assembled computer from people that don't know about video and postproduction editing, but only gaming, different beast. If you work with a solid workstation with a brand, assistance, and developed for video, and you not install rubbish on it, is stable as a mac. I not have preference, only different work to do on different workstation under Osx Maverick or Seven, yes maverick be cause Smoke is not certified under os over Maverick, and yes seven be cause i use 3d software that are tricked from win10 be cause it change library of nvidia and have problem of stability.
Computer be part of my life from since 34 years, and not exist a perfect computer, exist the equilibrium between performance and what i need. I not need to be a computer geek with the last update, i need stable computer where i can work, where i can send render for two weeks and be sure that all work fine.
ProresRaw if faster not offer me more than i just have, seems the iphone of codec (i have an iphone, if someone think i'm offensive against iphone user
), better than others but who care of difference? few, very few people.
I told that ProresRaw is old system be cause is only a addition of raw data in a old codec structure (2006) , but until i not see the same features of other raw codec, and in particular the ability to encode every other raw to ProresRaw, and allow me to work lighting than other solution is not a new deal...
And... how could you do a difference of performance with CFraw against a prores which is not raw?
debayering realtime against a simple rbg structure?
try a CF quality 5 (the best) against a simple prores HQ 10 bit check the cpu work (win or mac) and tell me the difference...
try to encode a simple movie NOT in a 4:4:4 and add an alpha... you can't be cause prores support alpha only in 4:4:4 option...
is not CF against Prores, is a workflow difference, is all day working difference where you can prefer a codec to another.
I also use Prores every day, but is not the same performance under win or mac, is not the same performance from one NLE to another (someone support scalability data of prores, some other support quantization, most of NLE support nothing of optimization of prores).
Anyway i not told that i not want ProresRaw, i told that i prefer to have firstly CineformRaw, if they decide to have both, is better.