Introducing Blackmagic Production Camera 4K

... Just wondering if Black Magic have a rough date on when they will announce the REAL shipping date for the 4K? Cheers

"Shipments start by the end of July 2013", is all the information we've been given. Hasn't changed since the announcement at the NAB 2013 expo back in April. Hopefully it's accurate.

Standing by ...

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Thanks Peter. Fingers crossed its soon.

I just want to see some God @&#* footage. Does it have horrible digital grain?

I just want to see some God @&#* footage. Does it have horrible digital grain?

I'd rather see BMPC-4K footage after the camera is ready, not when it produces "God @&#*" footage.

Sometimes (not always) good things come to those who wait.

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I'm sure blackmagic will post some footage of the 4K when they feel it will best exhibit the final quality of the real image that customers will see when using the camera themselves.

Have faith.

Blackmagic Design has done something amazing with the release of three Cameras in which I think is really a game changer for indie film makers.

Will they ship the two new Cameras on time? Well I very much doubt so. Look at the Blackmagic MFT version is not even out yet and it was supposed to be on the market since December 2012. The EF version is barely out there, from my understanding only 26 bodies is in people hands in the UK.

Releasing three cameras as such a low price points and not selling them in high quantities doesn't make any business sense to me. John Brawley tweeted that "The 4K is going to take longer to develop as its an entirely new sensor". And apparently the "new sensor" went into mass production in July 2012.

I pre-ordered the BMP4K on the same week it was announced at NAB 2013 and I hope I'm entirely wrong on this and I wish to receive a parcel from my supplier somewhere in Aug.

I see on youtube this video. Is this video true or false?

Can't be true. CC 4k isn't available yet, and surely will not make its debut silently on youtube. And the footage just isn't like what you'd expect from it either.

I see on youtube this video. Is this video true or false?

This is a total fake!!!!

Blackmagic Design has done something amazing with the release of three Cameras in which I think is really a game changer for indie film makers.

I think we should all be realistics here, probably not a single BMPC 4K will be shipped during 2013.....so you should not schedulle a project with this camera for now, 2.5K MFT version already have around 6 months of delay.....anyway, the 4K camera will be something great once it is released......unless in 2014 NAB balckmagic announced a new 6K camera for July 2014 and the waiting period start again.....and so on....
In the middle time, I am getting a canon 50d to play with the new ML hack.......RAW for $450.00......just amazing!!!

I see on youtube this video. Is this video true or false?

We did not create this video.

I see on youtube this video. Is this video true or false?

THAT so obviously reeks of the crushed blacks and tinny skin tones of DSLR!

Blackmagic Design has done something amazing with the release of three Cameras in which I think is really a game changer for indie film makers.

I think we should all be realistics here, probably not a single BMPC 4K will be shipped during 2013.....so you should not schedulle a project with this camera for now, 2.5K MFT version already have around 6 months of delay.....anyway, the 4K camera will be something great once it is released......unless in 2014 NAB balckmagic announced a new 6K camera for July 2014 and the waiting period start again.....and so on....
In the middle time, I am getting a canon 50d to play with the new ML hack.......RAW for $450.00......just amazing!!!

If there is no BMPC 4k cameras shipped to beta testers by the end of this month you can be sure that the July 2013 release date won't happen.

Blackmagic Design has done something amazing with the release of three Cameras in which I think is really a game changer for indie film makers.

I think we should all be realistics here, probably not a single BMPC 4K will be shipped during 2013.....so you should not schedulle a project with this camera for now, 2.5K MFT version already have around 6 months of delay.....anyway, the 4K camera will be something great once it is released......unless in 2014 NAB balckmagic announced a new 6K camera for July 2014 and the waiting period start again.....and so on....
In the middle time, I am getting a canon 50d to play with the new ML hack.......RAW for $450.00......just amazing!!!

If there is no BMPC 4k cameras shipped to beta testers by the end of this month you can be sure that the July 2013 release date won't happen.

I'm not sure people believe the new line of camera's will anyways?

If there is no BMPC 4k cameras shipped to beta testers by the end of this month you can be sure that the July 2013 release date won't happen.

How do you know that beta testers don't have the cameras already?

They'll be bound by a non disclosure agreement so would not be able to talk about the camera or post footage until given the green light by BMD. Failure to adhere to this agreement would mean litigation at worst and at best being struck from the list of beta testers. Part of being chosen as a tester is the element of trust. Even if they are peeing their pants at the quality, or nonplussed with it, you can bet that you won't know until BMD want you to.

"blackmagic" moves in mysterious ways

If there is no BMPC 4k cameras shipped to beta testers by the end of this month you can be sure that the July 2013 release date won't happen.

How do you know that beta testers don't have the cameras already?

They'll be bound by a non disclosure agreement so would not be able to talk about the camera or post footage until given the green light by BMD. Failure to adhere to this agreement would mean litigation at worst and at best being struck from the list of beta testers. Part of being chosen as a tester is the element of trust. Even if they are peeing their pants at the quality, or nonplussed with it, you can bet that you won't know until BMD want you to.

I guess you not been around much?

Since we have more order from PockCC, I think the pocketCC will be out July and the 4KCC will be delayed. I just don't think that blackmagic has enough workers working on cameras all at the same time. The evidence is with the MFT CC. It was 6 month behind schedule and it is just a dummy mount camera. I hope that I am wrong thou.

Since we have more order from PockCC, I think the pocketCC will be out July and the 4KCC will be delayed. I just don't think that blackmagic has enough workers working on cameras all at the same time. The evidence is with the MFT CC. It was 6 month behind schedule and it is just a dummy mount camera. I hope that I am wrong thou.

To the best of my knowledge the constraint on BMCC-EF & BMCC-MFT production has been caused by an extreme scarcity of good-quality sensor assemblies, not by a shortage of camera assembly factory labor. However, we'll probably never know if the truth is different, or if in fact -- and as repeatedly stated by BMD -- a parts shortage was the main cause for the long delays.

We have no idea when the BMPCC and BMPC-4K will begin shipping, other than the official promise of "July 2013". Note: It's not Aug. 1, 2013 yet.

I've got a BMPC-4K on pre-order, and although I'm hopeful I'll see it sometime "soon", I'm not holding my breath.

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I guess you not been around much?

Longer than you dear boy. Longer than you.

"The greater part of truth is always hidden away, out of reach of cynicism."
J.R.R Tolkien

Since we have more order from PockCC, I think the pocketCC will be out July and the 4KCC will be delayed. I just don't think that blackmagic has enough workers working on cameras all at the same time. The evidence is with the MFT CC. It was 6 month behind schedule and it is just a dummy mount camera. I hope that I am wrong thou.

Nail on the head. BMD couldnt even make/ship enough BMCC camera handles. I cancelled mine after 12 months waiting for a BMCC handle and what is the excuse for that? Sensor problem?

I guess you not been around much?

Longer than you dear boy. Longer than you.

"The greater part of truth is always hidden away, out of reach of cynicism."
J.R.R Tolkien

OK old man but you clearly had your head under the sand then

FYI BMD camera beta list members are dry runs for the company to manufacture and ship the product including some feedback. It takes over a month or more at a push before actual customer destine cameras gets shipped. Beta list members are not under NDA to say "hey my camera has arrived".

For the life of me I do not understand how people will post on how an upcoming, important, critical, major, for all the marbles, I've got everything riding on this... etc etc and follow that with the statement of how they wonder if the camera will be shipping. And when someone tries to add a sense of reality to the post, he's called "rude".... hmmm

I for one if I had a pending project I would want a camera in hand, shooting test shots, getting things sorted etc. I would not entertain the thought of waiting on a camera. Unless people like establishing scape goat stories on how it would have been perfect except I didnt have the camera I ordered at NAB. Why put oneself through the stress and agony? Unless you like that sort of thing... I''m not going to judge.

Since the 2.5k is slowly making it out in certain parts of the world,

and if one were set on 4k for $4k, then I would think about buying the needed support items... cage, audio support, lenses, cards etc, and rent a 2.5k, so if the 4k misses a deadline, youre still good to go and have all the widgets ready and waiting for the 4k when it does come out. To each their own I guess, but I would take this route and not lose a bit of sleep if the 4k didnt hit the streets on time. Heed the words of Spike... if it aint in your hands, a BMD promise can be more of a BMD uncle that is always late and everyone knew he would be.

And people have already started to discard them (BMCC) as well in certain parts of the world
May be they are keeping their fingers crossed for the newly announced 4k camera, which i am sure gonna hit them hard in terms of timely shipping.

spike,
Why are you so negative all the time?

Anyway, I also placed a preorder for the BMPC4K on the day it was announced, and I'm eager to hear updates about availability, features (such as 60p), etc., as well as to see some test footage.
I'm also hopeful that BMD will actually make their shipping dates, but am aware that there is certainly a fair chance they won't.

I've shot with the BMCC (rented) and love it. The only serious issue in my mind is audio (the implementation of audio on the camera is still awful)... to the point where I'm considering recording externally when my camera arrives.

I wonder why people are so negative when it comes to BMD's shipping announcements. or why BMD isn't seeking solutions for it (of course if their announcements are not hoax). but either way it's dampening BMD's reputation as a credible company.

New to the forum. Please could someone clarify about the BMPC4K sensor size and crop factor.

The spec sheet states that the camera has a Super35mm sensor "Effective Sensor Size = 21.12mm x 11.88mm (Super 35)". I understood that the area of Super35mm with 3perf pulldown was 24.9 x 14mm.

This is relevant to planning lens options.

Thanks for any insight.

... Please could someone clarify about the BMPC4K sensor size ... The spec sheet states that the camera has a Super35mm sensor "Effective Sensor Size = 21.12mm x 11.88mm (Super 35)". I understood that the area of Super35mm with 3perf pulldown was 24.9 x 14mm. ...

Welcome to the forum.

Your numbers and understanding are exactly correct. The BMPC-4K sensor is slightly smaller than standard S35 3-perf 16:9.

Related info is here:
http://blog.abelcine.com/2010/08/18/35m ... son-chart/
http://www.abelcine.com/fov/

Note: The BMPC-4K camera isn't on Abel's FOV calculators yet, but the Canon 7D is, and its sensor size is very close to that of the BMPC-4K.

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New to the forum. Please could someone clarify about the BMPC4K sensor size and crop factor.

The spec sheet states that the camera has a Super35mm sensor "Effective Sensor Size = 21.12mm x 11.88mm (Super 35)". I understood that the area of Super35mm with 3perf pulldown was 24.9 x 14mm.

This is relevant to planning lens options.

Thanks for any insight.

If you consider the 135 film full-frame sensor in a 16:9 aspect ratio like the cameras from BMD, then the BMPC4K crop is 1.70x. It is very close to the Academy 35mm film size, not the Super35 size that BMD marketing implies. If you are familiar with Super35, then in those terms the crop is only 1.18x. A 35mm lens on Super35 will have a horizontal angle of view of 39.2 degrees. On the BMPC4K, the horizontal angle of view will be 33.6 degrees for a 35mm lens. There are 30mm lenses available and that would give a more normal angle of view of 38.8 degrees on the BMPC4K.

Different people have different tastes and personally I like the slightly longer lens effect you get on the BMPC4K especially for shooting talent. Others seem to love a wider view especially for landscapes.

Rick Lang
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Waiting for e-mount to purchuse Black Magic Production Camera 4K, do we have to wait till Amsterdam's IBC as last year with BMC 2.5K with MFT mount?

Waiting for e-mount to purchuse Black Magic Production Camera 4K, do we have to wait till Amsterdam's IBC as last year with BMC 2.5K with MFT mount?

Don't hold your breath. In my opinion, we're more likely to see a PL mount 4K cam than an E-Mount. In fact, someone on another forum who tried to build a cam said that Sony won't allow a built in E-mount on a camera aside from theirs. Besides, with Redrock's Nikon to EF adapter, that just opens up the lens selection that much more. That adapter is great and it becomes part of the lens so there's no slip, etc.

Then there are Leitax adapters for Leica lenses and PL adapters so yeah, we have a bunch of selections already.

.....Availability and Price
Blackmagic Production Camera 4K will be available in July for US$3,995 from Blackmagic Design resellers worldwide.....

Hi, Christine! I've got a message in DVXuser site, and it's says:

"....BMD announced at NAB 2013 that the BMPC-4K camera will initially ship with 10-bit 4:2:2 ProRes HQ 4K and 1080p recording capability (with Film/log or Video/Rec.709 gamma),
...and that its new lossless compressed 4K 12-bit RAW CinemaDNG recording feature might not be ready when the cam first ships..... If the lossless compressed RAW feature becomes available after first ship, BMD says it’ll be part of a free firmware update. BMD hasn’t announced yet what exact data rate its new compressed RAW CinemaDNG format will be recorded at...."

Here is this post: http://www.dvxuser.com/V6/showthread.ph ... hink/page2

...and I'd like to know what exactly will be there, as I pre-order 3 BMPC CAMERAS and I want to be sure that I will get them with RAW option, or I have no other choice, but to cancel it...

I want information about RAW option to be PUBLISHED on Official Black Magic Design website, so I hope to see exact info on it...

also, will be nice if you write about it in DVXuser site...

Thanks in advance!

Serge
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P.S. I will be happy, if Peter J. DeCrescenzo from Portland, Oregon will NOT answering any of my questions I ask someone else

... P.S. I will be happy, if Peter J. DeCrescenzo from Portland, Oregon will NOT answering any of my questions I ask someone else

I'll put a man on it right away!



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Random thought about the difference in Dynamic Range after playing with the 5D3, which is likely 11.5~12 realistically:

If BMD strikes the right balance between top and bottom end, with the right exposure tools (high and low zebras) and a lower noise floor, 11.5 to 12 easily "appears" as more than just 11.5 or 12. I say appears because, if you've got both the 5D3 and BV1 right now, comparing the two in the exact same contrasty frame, you're likely concluding that BV1 is tops in DR.

But, the 5D seems to be pretty close when you're maximizing the range by utilizing the ML Zebras and nothing clips at the top. Because the camera's low end's pretty beefy, and the noise isn't too wild, you can lift things a good two stops without suffering any major image degradation (talking 5D here) so that's how it balances out.

So, if B4K is similar, then the DR gap actually isn't really a big deal between the two cameras.

Anyway, just thinking out loud.

Random thought about the difference in Dynamic Range after playing with the 5D3, which is likely 11.5~12 realistically:

If BMD strikes the right balance between top and bottom end, with the right exposure tools (high and low zebras) and a lower noise floor, 11.5 to 12 easily "appears" as more than just 11.5 or 12. I say appears because, if you've got both the 5D3 and BV1 right now, comparing the two in the exact same contrasty frame, you're likely concluding that BV1 is tops in DR.

But, the 5D seems to be pretty close when you're maximizing the range by utilizing the ML Zebras and nothing clips at the top. Because the camera's low end's pretty beefy, and the noise isn't too wild, you can lift things a good two stops without suffering any major image degradation (talking 5D here) so that's how it balances out.

So, if B4K is similar, then the DR gap actually isn't really a big deal between the two cameras.

Anyway, just thinking out loud.

Kholi, that would be awesome, but I was just messing around with some tests and you really need to keep those levels "to the right" in order to get an image without noise on the BMCC. It would be awesome if the noise floor on the BMCC4K (I refuse to call it the "production camera") were a lot lower than the BMCC. If that is the case, I'd be using it as my main camera. Also, I really only have a need to deliver in 2K or 1080p so I wonder if the down-conversion to 1080p/2K will decrease some of the noise.

I'm really hoping for a really low noise floor and/or a reduction of noise if you down-convert. That's one of my biggest gripes with the BMCC at the moment. The noise floor is pretty high.

Also, I've never shot with an Alexa before. Anyone know how the noise compares? Everything I've seen is pretty noise-free and I'm wondering if it's the camera or post noise reduction.

Alexa can be noisy as well. Not as clean as RED or Sony's high end offerings. Me thinks it's a a matter of choosing things like noise and dynamic range, color, over cleanliness and resolution, lowlight ability.

As long as there's some kind of light or there's fast glass, the noise doesn't bother me with BV1, but I can see where it would become unappealing for a number of people.

Alexa can be noisy as well. Not as clean as RED or Sony's high end offerings. Me thinks it's a a matter of choosing things like noise and dynamic range, color, over cleanliness and resolution, lowlight ability.

As long as there's some kind of light or there's fast glass, the noise doesn't bother me with BV1, but I can see where it would become unappealing for a number of people.

If the BMPC4K sensor is indeed a stock CMOSIS CMV12000, the sensor's dynamic range is 60 dB (nearly 20 stops) and the signal-to-noise ratio is over 41dB (over 13 stops). I certainly don't know how that will translate into the settings that BMD will use for the sensor. The photosites do seem to be quite sensitive (13e-), but I don't think the specs list anything like the native ISO speed of the sensor. The description lists a lot of performance characteristics that are Greek to me but maybe someone else knows what they mean. We've heard empirically the dynamic range is at least a stop less than the BMCC and may not match the BMCC native ISO. Time will tell.

Rick Lang
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...It would be awesome if the noise floor on the BMCC4K (I refuse to call it the "production camera") were a lot lower than the BMCC. If that is the case, I'd be using it as my main camera. Also, I really only have a need to deliver in 2K or 1080p so I wonder if the down-conversion to 1080p/2K will decrease some of the noise.

I'm really hoping for a really low noise floor and/or a reduction of noise if you down-convert...

With the downscaling on the BMPC4K, going from UltraHD to HD, you should expect to get less noise and more detail and better colour compared to the window technique used for HD on some other high resolution cameras. Or you can shoot UltraHD raw and downscale in post to either HD or 2K deliverables with whatever software you find that gives the best results, such as Resolve. That is a plus for the BMPC4K over the BMCC, just as the BMCC 2.5K has an advantage downscaling to HD over the native HD on the BMPCC.

Rick Lang
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The wait... it must be reduced! Soon I suppose.

Also, Paul, on denoting: There's generally a fair amount of denoising that goes into finishing at high end post houses. THey use various methods, as well, not just one. Neat Video is pretty popular, I know more than a fistful of fellas that can't wait for R10's plugin compatibility so that they can use Neat Video right in the application.

Thinking that R10's noise reduction's also going to be great.

OK old man but you clearly had your head under the sand then

FYI BMD camera beta list members are dry runs for the company to manufacture and ship the product including some feedback. It takes over a month or more at a push before actual customer destine cameras gets shipped. Beta list members are not under NDA to say "hey my camera has arrived".

How an earth do you know if there is an NDA or not? That's the whole point of them.

You must be a tester with all these 'FACTS'??

Besides, I'd be surprised if primary testers only had a month to test the camera.

OK old man but you clearly had your head under the sand then

FYI BMD camera beta list members are dry runs for the company to manufacture and ship the product including some feedback. It takes over a month or more at a push before actual customer destine cameras gets shipped. Beta list members are not under NDA to say "hey my camera has arrived".

How an earth do you know if there is an NDA or not? That's the whole point of them.

You must be a tester with all these 'FACTS'??

Besides, I'd be surprised if primary testers only had a month to test the camera.

There isn't.
Delivery to beta list members are mainly a dry run test of production and shipping. BMD keeps all actual testings in house along with JB. If you been around here more often you would have been more informed.

...It would be awesome if the noise floor on the BMCC4K (I refuse to call it the "production camera") were a lot lower than the BMCC. If that is the case, I'd be using it as my main camera. Also, I really only have a need to deliver in 2K or 1080p so I wonder if the down-conversion to 1080p/2K will decrease some of the noise.

I'm really hoping for a really low noise floor and/or a reduction of noise if you down-convert...

With the downscaling on the BMPC4K, going from UltraHD to HD, you should expect to get less noise and more detail and better colour compared to the window technique used for HD on some other high resolution cameras. Or you can shoot UltraHD raw and downscale in post to either HD or 2K deliverables with whatever software you find that gives the best results, such as Resolve. That is a plus for the BMPC4K over the BMCC, just as the BMCC 2.5K has an advantage downscaling to HD over the native HD on the BMPCC.

Rick Lang
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Hello Rick!

There's enough talk of downscaling the 4k footage to 2k or HD for one to be confused easily. So if you tell us of what all benefits the process of downscaling brings with it other than better color and detail.
And with BMPC's global shutter; will we also be able to get moire and aliasing free downscaled footage and visually improved dynamic range?

Thanx

And with BMPC's global shutter; will we also be able to get moire and aliasing free downscaled footage and visually improved dynamic range?

Global shutter is no cure for moiré (that's caused by interference of regular patterns with the bayer layout), and doesn't help the dynamic range. Yet downscaling in itself could help reduce moiré (if done right!).

...It would be awesome if the noise floor on the BMCC4K (I refuse to call it the "production camera") were a lot lower than the BMCC. If that is the case, I'd be using it as my main camera. Also, I really only have a need to deliver in 2K or 1080p so I wonder if the down-conversion to 1080p/2K will decrease some of the noise.

I'm really hoping for a really low noise floor and/or a reduction of noise if you down-convert...

With the downscaling on the BMPC4K, going from UltraHD to HD, you should expect to get less noise and more detail and better colour compared to the window technique used for HD on some other high resolution cameras. Or you can shoot UltraHD raw and downscale in post to either HD or 2K deliverables with whatever software you find that gives the best results, such as Resolve. That is a plus for the BMPC4K over the BMCC, just as the BMCC 2.5K has an advantage downscaling to HD over the native HD on the BMPCC.

Rick Lang
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Hello Rick!

There's enough talk of downscaling the 4k footage to 2k or HD for one to be confused easily. So if you tell us of what all benefits the process of downscaling brings with it other than better color and detail.
And with BMPC's global shutter; will we also be able to get moire and aliasing free downscaled footage and visually improved dynamic range?

Thanx

Downscaling can be performed in-camera or in post. Post could give you the best downscaling results as you can select different algorithms to suit your taste. The camera likely won't present any options for downscaling as it is associated with outputting compressed ProRes video at a lower resolution like HD 1080p/i from the 3840x2160 sensor data. If you output the compressed video in Film (log) mode rather than Video (Rec.709), you will have greater dynamic range to work with in post. But that dynamic range on the BMPC4K is probably going to have less latitude than the BMPCC due to the characteristics of the sensor provided by a different manufacturer. I don't think you would see any visual difference in the dynamic range on the BMPC4K attributed to downscaling compared to outputting video at the full image size, UltraHD.

Moiré and aliasing are characteristics that may not look different with in-camera downscaling but they might depending upon the sophistication of the in-camera routines. BMD is one of the only companies that has taken a stand against the use of an OLPF permanently mounted in front of the sensor that is designed to reduce moiré and aliasing (stair-step effect). They have decided sharpness of the image is more important to avoid the softness an OLPF induces in the image. It would be a nice feature to have an optional OLPF but that's not likely on a BMD camera.

Now I'm only speaking from a theoretical standpoint, not an empirical view because I've never used a video camera with a global shutter, but it may be the global shutter would even increase aliasing in some instances since the entire image is captured in the same moment without any tiny movement between the time to capture even and odd lines in a rolling shutter image. So theoretically global shutter sometimes could appear even sharper than a rolling shutter. Of course the image on the BMPC4K avoids the jello-effect that can occur with a rolling shutter when the camera is not stabilized. And jello is less usually desirable than some aliasing.

Other benefits to downscaling besides better colour and detail?

Rick Lang
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Downscaling can be performed in-camera or in post. Post could give you the best downscaling results as you can select different algorithms to suit your taste. The camera likely won't present any options for downscaling as it is associated with outputting compressed ProRes video at a lower resolution like HD 1080p/i from the 3840x2160 sensor data. If you output the compressed video in Film (log) mode rather than Video (Rec.709), you will have greater dynamic range to work with in post. But that dynamic range on the BMPC4K is probably going to have less latitude than the BMPCC due to the characteristics of the sensor provided by a different manufacturer. I don't think you would see any visual difference in the dynamic range on the BMPC4K attributed to downscaling compared to outputting video at the full image size, UltraHD.

Moiré and aliasing are characteristics that may not look different with in-camera downscaling but they might depending upon the sophistication of the in-camera routines. BMD is one of the only companies that has taken a stand against the use of an OLPF permanently mounted in front of the sensor that is designed to reduce moiré and aliasing (stair-step effect). They have decided sharpness of the image is more important to avoid the softness an OLPF induces in the image. It would be a nice feature to have an optional OLPF but that's not likely on a BMD camera.

Now I'm only speaking from a theoretical standpoint, not an empirical view because I've never used a video camera with a global shutter, but it may be the global shutter would even increase aliasing in some instances since the entire image is captured in the same moment without any tiny movement between the time to capture even and odd lines in a rolling shutter image. So theoretically global shutter sometimes could appear even sharper than a rolling shutter. Of course the image on the BMPC4K avoids the jello-effect that can occur with a rolling shutter when the camera is not stabilized. And jello is less usually desirable than some aliasing.

Other benefits to downscaling besides better colour and detail?

Rick Lang
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Thanx Rick! it was really very informative.
But like you and many others; i am also waiting for my camera
and i am certain that we ain't gonna get all the answers until
the cameras are delivered to us.

Thanx once again Rick Sir!!

http://www.redsharknews.com/business/it ... ew-cameras

“We’re confident.”, says Blackmagic Design’s Director of Asia, Richard Lim, when asked about the July delivery of Blackmagic’s new Production 4k and Pocket Cinema cameras. John Burkhart reports from Singapore
I sat with Richard in Blackmagic’s Singapore office to talk about their upcoming camera releases, and I asked him to comment on the shipping issues they encountered with the original EF Mount BMCC, and the status of the Micro Four Thirds BMCC.

As was previously communicated by CEO Grant Petty, there were issues with blemishes on the glass that covered the original BMCC’s sensors, that caused the units to fail their production testing.

Richard said: “It wasn’t until we got into full production volume that the issue with the sensors started showing up. We tried to be as quick to identify and publicize the findings when we saw it.”
“We decided to get to the root of the problem of the sensor issues and these proved to be a very tedious process involving a lot of close consultation with our vendors. The whole process took nearly 4-5 months but since then we’ve been shipping quite regularly.”
“We understand that for the BMCC there are many people still waiting for their cameras, but we still have a pretty large order to work at and will be trying our best to fulfill these as much as we can.”

Two versions
There are of course, two versions of the Blackmagic Cinema Camera, the EF-Mount and the passive Micro Four Thirds (MFT) Mount that was announced a few months later. Many people cancelled their initial EF orders to have the increased convertibility of the Micro Four Thirds version. What was the status of that camera?
“The Micro Four Thirds version has been tested and will be released soon, but the company’s intention is to ship enough of the EF cameras before we ship the Micro Four Thirds. Because the EF orders came first, we really want to satisfy as many of our pre-order list as possible. Most of the EF orders will have to go out before we start with the Micro Four Thirds.”

No problems with the new cameras
Richard went on to emphasize that the new 4k and Pocket cameras did not suffer from the same production issues that were such a set back for the original BMCC units.
“We learned a lot from the past year, and expect to meet the July shipping date for the new cameras.”

Sambak, thanks.

In another thread, BMD CEO Grant Petty posted this bit of good news for folks waiting for a BMPC-4K:

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"Hi,

Sorry about the delay [for the original 2.5K BMCC-EF & BMCC-MFT] but with the limited amount of sensors we have been getting per month we just wanted to burn though the EF model back orders first before it got more balanced with MFT back orders. There was just so many more EF back orders than MFT. But we are making both now and trying to balance the two models with the sensors we are getting. At least the other two cameras look fine on the sensor front but we are still too slow on the sensors for the 2.5k camera. At least we are working through the back orders so thats important.

Regards,

Grant"
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See:
viewtopic.php?p=56856&sid=17b114d4e5be61eb5dbcce61567654ed#p56856

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In another thread, BMD CEO Grant Petty posted this bit of good news for folks waiting for a BMPC-4K:

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"Hi,

Sorry about the delay [for the original 2.5K BMCC-EF & BMCC-MFT] but with the limited amount of sensors we have been getting per month we just wanted to burn though the EF model back orders first before it got more balanced with MFT back orders. There was just so many more EF back orders than MFT. But we are making both now and trying to balance the two models with the sensors we are getting. At least the other two cameras look fine on the sensor front but we are still too slow on the sensors for the 2.5k camera. At least we are working through the back orders so thats important.

Regards,

Grant"
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See:
viewtopic.php?p=56856&sid=17b114d4e5be61eb5dbcce61567654ed#p56856

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Its a bit confusing statement for those who pre-ordered da Pocket Camera coz it has da same sensor as in BMCC and MFT models, if m not wrong!! And if da supply of tht particular sensor is still erratic; thn hw cm BMD cud manage or even state in favor of timely delivery of PockCam atleast??

Thanx

Its a bit confusing statement for those who pre-ordered da Pocket Camera coz it has da same sensor as in BMCC and MFT models, if m not wrong!! And if da supply of tht particular sensor is still erratic; thn hw cm BMD cud manage or even state in favor of timely delivery of PockCam atleast??

We've been informed by BM officials in an other thread that the Pocket CC has a different sensor (with same characteristics) from a different supplier, and it's already been well established that the production camera will have an entirely different sensor (4k, 12 stops DR, global shutter), also from an other supplier.

I don't see any Genlock, Shutter pulse or Timecode capability for Broadcast, VFX, Sync Sound or multi-camera work. Is this true?

It has none of those things, technically. For multicam and sync sound you can hook up a lockit box to one audio channel, and a mix down scratch track to the other. In resolve when making your deliverables or dailies, you can set resolve to automatically assign timecode based on the lockit boxes signal. Sound can then be synced in the normal manner. Not a terrible work around, since you more or less have to do that at some point anyway, but if you need frame pulse to sync up for moco, then you would be out of luck. Most dual system multicam senarios are possible within the normal framework of production.

Multicam live switching these days is almost entirely digital with a frame sync, so unless +\- 1/15th sec discrepancy bothers you, it's ok for that too. Genlock isn't really a requirement anymore.

Hey guys, I posted this question in the live events section and have received no response. I thought perhaps someone who visits this thread might know more...

Basically, I'm really interested in the Blackmagic Production Camera 4K and its potential use for live events. I like the idea of being able to use it in combination with the ATEM 4K switcher for live purposes. But, also the potential of using it for interviews or other cinematic like jobs as well. Here is where I'm a little confused. I've only ever used EF mount detachable lenses in a dslr setting (like shooting theatrical like trailers or short interview videos with a 5d).

So, the question is what type of lens and gear set up would you need for the BMPC4K that would allow you to zoom and follow a speaking subject, instrumentalist, dancer, actor or what have you, for a live event. Is this possible? Is it going to make the total cost of the camera and gear go up significantly?

I called B&H to ask them and the customer service rep seemed to think I was crazy for thinking this camera could be used in such a way and didn't even attempt to answer my question. However, it's been mentioned multiple times in interviews and across the web (including the "uses" section on the product page of blackmagic's website itself). Perhaps, one of you fine folk could point me in the appropriate direction?