Camera 8.7 Beta Release Available

Since updating to Camera 8.7 beta two things have happened.

1. My memory (Angelbird AV PRO CFexpress B SE 512 GB) card is not longer recognised by my camera?

2. When I connect my camera to the PC is see it and then I get that connect screen like others have posts and nothing happen?

Going to see if I can downgrade to the previous version camera version, this is very annoying .

We really need an option to NOT have all the extra files that come along with the clip navigation/clip deletion capabilities added in 8.6 (and presumably still present in 8.7).

I do NOT want those extra files generated, and am willing to skip that Deletion feature to get rid of them.

Please don't leave those of us who want a clean file system stuck at 7.9.2!

after 8.6/8.7 upgrade i can use only cfast card.
Every usb disk not work fine or cannot format, it stay for hours to try to format, but never start to do it, if i turn off and on camera, disk was never formatted.

We can't seem to reproduce this. Will keep trying.

I tried also to reset camera, put in dfu and upgrade, but nothing, all three cameras act at same with 8.6/8.7, and when go back to previous all come back to work fine.


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After the upgrade to 8.7, my camera at random switches from consistent quality to constant bitrate for no reason. I hope it's fixed in the next update.

In case you're not aware, there are some wierd glitches where viewing recordings in the playback menu and then going back into recording results in a blackscreen on the pocket cameras. A wierd workaround I found is to switch to prores and then black to BRAW.

Additionally, I've noticed the cameras going to 8:1 when restarting the camera and not saving whatever codec I was shooting at before. It also seems to randomly go to 8:1 even when the camera is on, which is problematic - it doesn't seem to be saving the settings.

I can confirm seeing both of those behaviors on my pocket 4K

[Kristian Lam]

In case you're not aware, there are some wierd glitches where viewing recordings in the playback menu and then going back into recording results in a blackscreen on the pocket cameras. A wierd workaround I found is to switch to prores and then black to BRAW.

Additionally, I've noticed the cameras going to 8:1 when restarting the camera and not saving whatever codec I was shooting at before. It also seems to randomly go to 8:1 even when the camera is on, which is problematic - it doesn't seem to be saving the settings.

Which camera is this?

In case you're not aware, there are some wierd glitches where viewing recordings in the playback menu and then going back into recording results in a blackscreen on the pocket cameras. A wierd workaround I found is to switch to prores and then black to BRAW.

Additionally, I've noticed the cameras going to 8:1 when restarting the camera and not saving whatever codec I was shooting at before. It also seems to randomly go to 8:1 even when the camera is on, which is problematic - it doesn't seem to be saving the settings.

Which camera is this?

Can confirm that this issue is present on my BMPCC4K. Also, the Next Clip [>|] Previous Clip [|<] controls seem to have had their functionality reversed (Previous Clip goes to the next clip for some reason).

Updated Pocket 4k to Beta 8.7, was stable for the first week but I seem to have developed some pretty bad bugs that is requiring me to downgrade.

Experiencing frequent menu freezing, unresponsive inputs, black screen when returning from playback, choppy playback, inability to cut, clips not saving to media, and the camera sometimes takes up to 10 seconds to power off.

Wasn't sure where to report this, hope this is the appropriate forum.

After I installed this on my Cinema 6K FF, my camera no longer recognized my Angelbird AV PRO SE CFexpress B card, though it did recognize my SanDisk USB drive. Performing a factory reset did not solve the issue.

Then I downgraded back to v8.3.2, and the camera sees my Angelbird card again.

That must be the reason why my 6k FF won't see my Angelbird AV PRO SE CFexpress B card, and did recognize my SanDisk USB drive. Hopefully they will fix this issue, I sent support an email about this. Maybe I will keep that new card. Downgrade time! A funny thing happened on the way to the forum....

After I installed this on my Cinema 6K FF, my camera no longer recognized my Angelbird AV PRO SE CFexpress B card, though it did recognize my SanDisk USB drive. Performing a factory reset did not solve the issue.

Then I downgraded back to v8.3.2, and the camera sees my Angelbird card again.

What capacity is your media?

1 TB

I have the same 8.7 beta, Same Angelbird card, on the recommended list, 1TB, new, which works in my mac mini. CC6KFF doesn't see the card, but it does get quite warm/hot. Will try downgrading back to the stable software as mentioned.

In case you're not aware, there are some wierd glitches where viewing recordings in the playback menu and then going back into recording results in a blackscreen on the pocket cameras. A wierd workaround I found is to switch to prores and then black to BRAW.

Additionally, I've noticed the cameras going to 8:1 when restarting the camera and not saving whatever codec I was shooting at before. It also seems to randomly go to 8:1 even when the camera is on, which is problematic - it doesn't seem to be saving the settings.

This also happened on my 6kpro.

I'm a bit confused here, Blackmagic Camera 9.0 has been released, but does support BMCC6K-FF?

@kristian I Totally understand the priority of issuing a version that supports the URSA Cine 12k, but now that v9 has been released, what is the status of v8.7?

[Kristian Lam]

@kristian I Totally understand the priority of issuing a version that supports the URSA Cine 12k, but now that v9 has been released, what is the status of v8.7?

8.7 will never exist as a formal release. What is going to happen is that the changes that you guys are seeing in 8.7 will roll into a future release, so at this point it will be a post 9.x release once we are confident that all the issues are addressed.

It's a beta. Things will break. That's why there is the GM release on the website.

This statement is confusing. All I can see are the betas on the Support website. Are you saying there is a GM (I assume you meant by GA) that is released on the BMD website? For which version 8.6 or 8.7, and where?

I'm a bit confused here, Blackmagic Camera 9.0 has been released, but does support BMCC6K-FF?

I downloaded camera 9.0 and updated my BMCC6K to v8.7. It looks like v9.0 is intended for new cameras.

After I installed this on my Cinema 6K FF, my camera no longer recognized my Angelbird AV PRO SE CFexpress B card, though it did recognize my SanDisk USB drive. Performing a factory reset did not solve the issue.

Then I downgraded back to v8.3.2, and the camera sees my Angelbird card again.

I had a similar issue with a new CCFF, and the 1 TB Angelbird card. I could not format the card in the camera with the 8.7 beta, which I installed before I had any CFE cards. Even if I formatted the bird and tested in via my mac it still didn't work. After reading the forum for clues, I saw this post about backing down to a non beta version of the software (firmware, BM OS?) which worked. Then I went back up to 8.7 and it still worked.

I see there is a new release "Blackmagic Camera 9.1 Update" for the new cameras, still not mention of the 6K FF?

Any idea when we will see some Stable releases for the 6KFF and Pockets?

I've tried updating my 6K FF a (few times now) it just breaks the CF reader every time, should I be worried? as this seems to affect only some users and not others, do I have a dodgy 6K FF? Or does my version have different internal components?

Would be awesome if we could get some news from you BM.

After I installed this on my Cinema 6K FF, my camera no longer recognized my Angelbird AV PRO SE CFexpress B card, though it did recognize my SanDisk USB drive. Performing a factory reset did not solve the issue.

Then I downgraded back to v8.3.2, and the camera sees my Angelbird card again.

I had a similar issue with a new CCFF, and the 1 TB Angelbird card. I could not format the card in the camera with the 8.7 beta, which I installed before I had any CFE cards. Even if I formatted the bird and tested in via my mac it still didn't work. After reading the forum for clues, I saw this post about backing down to a non beta version of the software (firmware, BM OS?) which worked. Then I went back up to 8.7 and it still worked.

I’m using 8.7, I just formatted 2 cards of the same model of yours but 512gb.

After I installed this on my Cinema 6K FF, my camera no longer recognized my Angelbird AV PRO SE CFexpress B card, though it did recognize my SanDisk USB drive. Performing a factory reset did not solve the issue.

Then I downgraded back to v8.3.2, and the camera sees my Angelbird card again.

I had a similar issue with a new CCFF, and the 1 TB Angelbird card. I could not format the card in the camera with the 8.7 beta, which I installed before I had any CFE cards. Even if I formatted the bird and tested in via my mac it still didn't work. After reading the forum for clues, I saw this post about backing down to a non beta version of the software (firmware, BM OS?) which worked. Then I went back up to 8.7 and it still worked.

I’m using 8.7, I just formatted 2 cards of the same model of yours but 512gb.

Im using the 512gb card as well, that's what got me worried. Work fines with older firmware, the minute I update the camera, the camera no longer sees the card at all

When is the issue with all the DJI-Ronin stabilizers getting fixed?
This is getting ridiculous.

The 8.7 beta release doesnt fix the DJI RS-2 Pro Gimbal issue unfortunalty.
I dont understand why a next release wouldn't fix such a crucial issue.

DJI is looking into this. We're not sure why that's broken at the moment.

Hi Kristian,

I just tested DJI latest firmware dated 2024.07.17. The firmware version is v01.05.00.00.
The issue remains with the Beta 8.7 firmware. DJI focus nor record button works.

Can you share what DJI shared? I dont understand as they havent not released a firmware since 2023.05.16. The DJI was always working on all the blackmagic firmware updates till the beta 8.6 came out. Than it broke and rolling back the blackmagic 6K G2 to 8.5.1 fixes the problem. So obvious the fault is somewhere between 8.5.1. and 8.6 beta. Can you not do a diff check on the source code?

DJI didnt update anything between the 8.5.1 and 8.6 beta, so how can this be a problem of DJI?

When is the issue with all the DJI-Ronin stabilizers getting fixed?
This is getting ridiculous.

Camera release 9.1 has still the same issue.

Is it possible to unlock the De-squeeze controls on the BMCC6k with a future firmware update so we can use any of the de-squeeze options on any of the aspect ratios?
That way I can use say a 1.5x anamorphic lens and jump between the full frame 6k open gate and super35 4x3 modes.
Thanks!

Networking still feels very unstable on the BG2. Originally I thought that maybe it's problem with mobile connections or YouTube but then it was also unstable with the ATEM Streaming Bridge. Now with the new cloud feature also uploads are unreliable. They'll finish eventually but I have to manually replug the ethernet adapter several times during the process. I have tried with several different Ethernet adapters but only with DHCP, maybe without DHCP it could sometimes recover. However, I doubt because most of the time the adapter is completely shut down and the LEDs go dark.

Another issue that I already discussed with the support is that the latest FW reversed the functionality of the VTR and RET with B4 lenses. An easy and obvious workaround is ofc to change the functions in the settings.

Thirdly, I don't even know if it's an issue with just this FW version or generally with this HW or even if there is something funky with my lens, but I can't make a Zeiss LWZ.3 PL to communicate with my BG2. Apparently some people have had some luck with some lenses by inserting the lens while the camera is powered. (Btw. this trick also fixes issues with some digital B4 lenses if the metadata and controls are not working but instead just replug the cable) In my case nothing happens and there is no metadata and the aperture is not shown. I'm quite sure the LWZ.3 should be Cooke /i compatible but I just can't find a source. Either way, other Cooke /i compatible lenses are passing the metadata on my setup. It would be also pretty nice if I wouldn't need to replug the cable with B4 lenses every other time.

Hello, Kristian. Hello, Blackmagic Forum.

It was a really nice feature, as many of us want it, if you could give us the possibility to use custom de-squeeze factor - or at least 1.33, 1.5, 1.55, 1.6, 1.8 or 2.0x - in all record modes in the next (or futures) update.

That will be great!

But, hey, your are doing a fantastic job. I just bought my 6KFF with an anamorphic 1.6x 35mm and I love it.

Keep up your excelent work, and keep listening to your public. You have my respect.

Cheers.
João Marco

Yes, agreed! This is the most important feature that has been requested so many times for this cool sensor of the 6kFF which is optimized for anamorphic.
The pixies is in principle the same camera and already has the desqueeze options you mentioned. Will it come soon? In the next update? @Kristian. Please give us an insight if there's something planned my friend! Thank you so much!!

I've recently picked up a BMCC6K, and hoped to be able to use the Sigma 24-70 2.8 EF with the MC-21 adapter. I do this because there are no other EF or L mount lenses in the same range zoom with IS.
Problem is that every minute or so, the lens seems to loose connection, aperture open and closes and the IS disengages and engages again. Focus button doesn´t work at all. If i turn the IS switch on the lens OFF, the aperture doesn't glitch, focusing works (but misses almost everytime).

Tried a new lens and adapter, and also a new camera: same behavior.

I've seen online report of the same problem, but no ones finds a solution.

I'm on 8.7 but tried also the latest stable. Any chances of fixing it ?
Can anyone try this on the Pyxis?
Thanks

Hello, Kristian. Hello, Blackmagic Forum.

It was a really nice feature, as many of us want it, if you could give us the possibility to use custom de-squeeze factor - or at least 1.33, 1.5, 1.55, 1.6, 1.8 or 2.0x - in all record modes in the next (or futures) update.

That will be great!

But, hey, your are doing a fantastic job. I just bought my 6KFF with an anamorphic 1.6x 35mm and I love it.

Keep up your excelent work, and keep listening to your public. You have my respect.

Cheers.
João Marco

Yes, agreed! This is the most important feature that has been requested so many times for this cool sensor of the 6kFF which is optimized for anamorphic.
The pixies is in principle the same camera and already has the desqueeze options you mentioned. Will it come soon? In the next update? @Kristian. Please give us an insight if there's something planned my friend! Thank you so much!!

Agreed. BMD never cripple their cameras from day one, I hope it does not start doing this now for commercial purposes.

When Grant announced the BMCC6K FF a year ago we were told the exteria may be similar to a Pocket camera but the internal architecture is a different more powerful beast to take advantage of a new upgrade path with future firmwares. One year on we have a stalled beta FW which is causing more problems so it seems like any development has gone over to the Pyxis instead

The 8.7 beta release doesnt fix the DJI RS-2 Pro Gimbal issue unfortunalty.
I dont understand why a next release wouldn't fix such a crucial issue.

DJI is looking into this. We're not sure why that's broken at the moment.

Why is this DJI's problem? Everything was working just fine until the BM update. I think you guys at BM should look into it instead of throwing DJI under the bus. DJI customer support is outstanding compared to BM. This is turning into a joke but I am not laughing. It's been around 7 months since the BM update and someones post here in the forum addressing it and nothing has been done. NOTHING.

Why is this DJI's problem? Everything was working just fine until the BM update. I think you guys at BM should look into it instead of throwing DJI under the bus. DJI customer support is outstanding compared to BM. This is turning into a joke but I am not laughing. It's been around 7 months since the BM update and someones post here in the forum addressing it and nothing has been done. NOTHING.

I understand that this drives you crazy - but:
What did DJI support tell you about this issue? Have they acknowledge it? Has DJI support confirmed that they can't do anything about it and they need BMD to fix this? I mean - it is a DJI product not working here...
Why is another company's problem BMD's problem?

The 8.7 beta release doesnt fix the DJI RS-2 Pro Gimbal issue unfortunalty.
I dont understand why a next release wouldn't fix such a crucial issue.

DJI is looking into this. We're not sure why that's broken at the moment.

Why is this DJI's problem? Everything was working just fine until the BM update. I think you guys at BM should look into it instead of throwing DJI under the bus. DJI customer support is outstanding compared to BM. This is turning into a joke but I am not laughing. It's been around 7 months since the BM update and someones post here in the forum addressing it and nothing has been done. NOTHING.

My BMCC6K works fine with RS4 Pro via Bluetooth but not cable, even before the update. Have you tried pairing them and see if they work with Bluetooth connection?

I reported that issue to Dji but they said their “engineers” will test cable connection. I’m still waiting for over 5 months.

I've recently picked up a BMCC6K, and hoped to be able to use the Sigma 24-70 2.8 EF with the MC-21 adapter. I do this because there are no other EF or L mount lenses in the same range zoom with IS.
Problem is that every minute or so, the lens seems to loose connection, aperture open and closes and the IS disengages and engages again. Focus button doesn´t work at all. If i turn the IS switch on the lens OFF, the aperture doesn't glitch, focusing works (but misses almost everytime).

Tried a new lens and adapter, and also a new camera: same behavior.

I've seen online report of the same problem, but no ones finds a solution.

I'm on 8.7 but tried also the latest stable. Any chances of fixing it ?
Can anyone try this on the Pyxis?
Thanks

AFAIK, image stabilization doesn’t work on BMCC6K, you’ll have to depend on in-camera Gyro Stabilization.

I've recently picked up a BMCC6K, and hoped to be able to use the Sigma 24-70 2.8 EF with the MC-21 adapter. I do this because there are no other EF or L mount lenses in the same range zoom with IS.
Problem is that every minute or so, the lens seems to loose connection, aperture open and closes and the IS disengages and engages again. Focus button doesn´t work at all. If i turn the IS switch on the lens OFF, the aperture doesn't glitch, focusing works (but misses almost everytime).

Tried a new lens and adapter, and also a new camera: same behavior.

I've seen online report of the same problem, but no ones finds a solution.

I'm on 8.7 but tried also the latest stable. Any chances of fixing it ?
Can anyone try this on the Pyxis?
Thanks

AFAIK, image stabilization doesn’t work on BMCC6K, you’ll have to depend on in-camera Gyro Stabilization.

Thanks Omar! Willl be using a 24-105 f4 from canon that works ok!
Hope they can fix it.


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Why is this DJI's problem? Everything was working just fine until the BM update. I think you guys at BM should look into it instead of throwing DJI under the bus. DJI customer support is outstanding compared to BM. This is turning into a joke but I am not laughing. It's been around 7 months since the BM update and someones post here in the forum addressing it and nothing has been done. NOTHING.

I understand that this drives you crazy - but:
What did DJI support tell you about this issue? Have they acknowledge it? Has DJI support confirmed that they can't do anything about it and they need BMD to fix this? I mean - it is a DJI product not working here...
Why is another company's problem BMD's problem?

Respectfully, I disagree. The camera and gimbal were compatible before, but an update from BMD broke that compatibility. Nothing has changed on the DJI side.

My BMCC6K works fine with RS4 Pro via Bluetooth but not cable, even before the update. Have you tried pairing them and see if they work with Bluetooth connection?

I reported that issue to Dji but they said their “engineers” will test cable connection. I’m still waiting for over 5 months.

Unfortunately, the originally mentioned RS2 gimbal from DJI does not have bluetooth. The only option for controlling the camera from the gimbal's handle is through the USB-C "camera control" cable.

[Kristian Lam]

DJI has identified the issue and will address it with an update on their end.

DJI has identified the issue and will address it with an update on their end.

Great to hear the issue has been identified and will be fixed in an update! Did they by any chance provide a timeline of when we can expect such update?

When do we actually get a non-beta firmware for the BMPCC cameras?

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Please prioritize re enabling camera control with DJI Ronin Gimbals - I would’ve never upgraded firmware had I known and even rolling back firware doesn’t solve it - please get together and figure this out!

The remaping the focus button doesnt work on the Pxyis, the Pocket 6K, or the Cinema Camera 6k.

viewtopic.php?f=2&t=212938

Could we get a firmware update for this? Thanks.

The 6K FF doesn't mention anything in it's manual about the ATEM Mini like the Pocket's do.

Please prioritize re enabling camera control with DJI Ronin Gimbals - I would’ve never upgraded firmware had I known and even rolling back firware doesn’t solve it - please get together and figure this out!

I totally agree! I will not update my BMPCC4K from my 8.1 firmware until they fix this issue.

And ssd support loosed.
With newer firmware I can’t use most of ssd that I used until that for years, and when I downgrade all comeback to work fine like ever.


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after 8.6/8.7 upgrade i can use only cfast card.
Every usb disk not work fine or cannot format, it stay for hours to try to format, but never start to do it, if i turn off and on camera, disk was never formatted.

We can't seem to reproduce this. Will keep trying.

Any news?
i hope to see something, or simply a newer beta with cutout the support optimization and keep newer part of firmware like new file browser that see all kind of clip, and more...
i'm quite sure that are not direct related to control of usb support of device ;-D
seems that usb optimization is the causes of main problems from usb support broken to gimbal no control and more.
usually developing are does in blocks, and i think also for firmware developing are the same, here we talk about beta software, why not cut the usb changment, and keep all others that work?

i should stay on 8.1 which is the only stable firmware to have like in past support of all ssd, gimbal support and more... but some new feature are so interesting.

Quick reminder that a Pocket Cinema 6K Pro WILL STILL NOT work with a DJI RS2 - No camera control at all after several firmware versions of it working just fine, rollbacks do nothing - really souring me on buying anything Blackmagic in the future. Been a year at this point. What a joke.

Quick reminder that a Pocket Cinema 6K Pro WILL STILL NOT work with a DJI RS2 - No camera control at all after several firmware versions of it working just fine, rollbacks do nothing - really souring me on buying anything Blackmagic in the future. Been a year at this point. What a joke.

Uhm if rollback firmware not work may be there is another reason.

The good of Blackmagic Design is this ability to go up and down and clean up camera.

Have you updated also RS2 firmware?
I use RS2 and with rollback firmware of pocket work fine with my p6kg1.

I go up and down, if I work with atem and mix is comfortable beta, if I need to work with gimbal I downgrade.
RS2 had old firmware of two years ago.


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We are on firmware version 9.5 with the incredible ability to experiment with AF but still stuck on version 8.6 because any later version stops recognizing the 1TB Angelbird AV PRO SE card and I understand that it doesn't happen with all cameras but it does happen to quite a few apparently.

Is there no option to stay on 9.5 and buy an inexpensive external drive to use an SSD until the card problem is fixed?

Completely confused with this now.

I had to roll back my 6K Pro this week after it stopped recognising any SSD's mid shoot. Luckily I'd taken a backup camera with me for once.

But which is the most stable release now for the 6K Pro? Did the 8.7 beta features ever get a stable release? It's been almost a year since the public beta.