17K 65mm Footage: Just Wow!!!

… the exact same amount of photo-sites is used to capture the talent on both the 12K and 17K using the same framing...

Review the Tech Specs framing options for the Cine 17K versus the Cine 12K. They’re not capturing their images using an equal number of photosites (beyond the obvious open gate difference). Yes, the maximum height dimension is equal.

… the exact same amount of photo-sites is used to capture the talent on both the 12K and 17K using the same framing...

Review the Tech Specs framing options for the Cine 17K versus the Cine 12K. They’re not capturing their images using an equal number of photosites (beyond the obvious open gate difference). Yes, the maximum height dimension is equal.

Thanks Rick for the answer. I thought we were talking open gate as 2.41:1 even effects an ARRI sensor.

I think the RGBW sensor design is vastly different from what ARRI did with the LF and 65 sensors. ARRI basically did a stitch method. Thus why they said the new Alexa 35 sensors can’t be stitched to do 65 and the 265 is just an updated version of the Alexa 65 sensor in a new body.

Someone from Blackmagic would have to chime in as they know precisely how they construct their sensor. But I theorize that the 17K and 12K sensors perform similarly in dynamic range and latitude. So the CineD test results should be the same with exception of rolling shutter open gate.


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… Someone from Blackmagic would have to chime in as they know precisely how they construct their sensor. But I theorize that the 17K and 12K sensors perform similarly in dynamic range and latitude. So the CineD test results should be the same with exception of rolling shutter open gate…

I think we all thought that too as it’s the simple and easiest solution, but I’m not sure BMD wants to go on record as it may be proprietary information. It is quite possible that BMD could have made some changes in various ways such as hardware micro-lensing differences or software image pipeline processing. If I had a camera that is challenging both ARRI and IMAX and I’m a market disruptor, I might be tempted to throw everything including the kitchen sink into my secret sauce to ensure this camera’s success.

I’d also have lawyers reviewing how IMAX controls access to their worldwide theatre screens. Is there an alternative if IMAX played hardball? The history of cinema has seen new technologies displace older display technologies on several occasions. At this point, it wouldn’t surprise me if IMAX is not working on how to embrace the URSA Cine 17K LF, more like giving BMD the cold shoulder in the belief they can ignore them. I hope I’m wrong.

Tor Bridge Lantern 17K 65 Image

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Tor Johansen shared this image from the URSA Cine 17K 65 on his social medias and I'm just in awe! Another banger out of this camera.

Someone get this camera into the hands of Roger Deakins!!!

OK that’s pretty exquisite

I couldn't help but messed with the grade a bit

Still grade by Darko Djeric, on Flickr

This can be pushed so much, it was shot bit underexposed and had to punch in 1.3x as there was lens barrel going on.

Come on, guys. Pretty pictures -- practices unknown -- don't prove anything, and the dynamic range of the 12 and 17K (both rated by BMD at 16 stops) apparently falls at the higher end of customary these days, but is not unusual.

And we won't even get into cinema aesthetics, which are based in restricted, not wide, DR. Look at classic western art. The masterpieces of the Old Masters are full of clipping. And the 100% clipped skies which are the norm in any number of classic movies didn't murder them....

There are tens of thousands of ugly unwatchable 35mm movies. 35mm didn't do a thing for them. The same will be true of the Alexa65 or BMD 17K or the Fluggerhoffer 998. Meanwhile, there are many great cameras available these days. Posting one picture without reference to another doesn't tell us anything.

I agree generally with John’s perspective except that I think Flugger creates an unquestionably painterly image that one must admire:

https://www.tesseract-architecture.com/ ... inishes-2/

Noice!

Flo,

If you are both currently and secretly testing Pyxis 17K somewhere in bush, without us knowing here on the forum, make sure you put that post war II
Russian Helious again

Finally had a change to play with the footage …and indeed wow!
I can no longer break the skies, no more banding. Not even with my silly tripping on LSD grade methodes.
Great work BlackMagic!

Looking forward to get a 12k PYXIS.