EF vs MFT ?

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EF vs MFT ?

PostThu Aug 22, 2013 3:18 am

Hi everyone, as I was one of the last ones to order the Pocket (July, 2013), and no one knows where they truly are right now, so I figure I won't see my camera before Christmas...

So the strategically price drop n the 2.4k may get to me, so my question is: which mount should I get?
I have a Nikon D7100 and some full frame lenses (even the D7100 being a cropped sensor) and also have some MFT lenses for my photo camera, BUT I would like to have the automatic iris and the MFT option won't allow it right?
Or is the automatic focusing no such a big deal? What other uses will the iris button have if it is not automatic with non automatic focus lenses?

Perhaps I am being narrow minded with the question, but would like your advise on what mount to get should I proceed with the 2.4k camera.
Thanks!
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Re: EF vs MFT ?

PostThu Aug 22, 2013 6:30 am

Hey...
I can only share my ideas behind going with the BMCC 2.5k...

I have a D7000 right now, and I wanted to shoot a feature on it, as this was what I had, and found 2-3 great examples on vimeo too. However after using the video on the camera I realized that it's not the best solution for achieving cinematic results. I didn't like what I got from this camera. And for a no-budget film the ability to make bigger color corrections and grading is a huge safenet, because you won't have the time and possibility to shoot it perfectly. You won't have a light... the DR of the scene will be huge etc... And the D7000 footage is too thin for this. Plus it looks like video...

So I wanted to get something better. First I checked out the D7100, D600, GH3, but realized the huge price drop of the BMCC and thought... It's the same amount as a D600, but ProRes and purpose built for cinematic results. Of course I need a lens adapter, batteries, and SSD, but that's so small cost for the result a BMCC can provide.

I considered the BMPCC and started a topic also on it, you should read it, it's a couple of days old. What made the decision was primarily the fact that the waiting lists are huge, and I have to shoot soon, plus have to test it... Plus the price difference with all the accessories like batteries, chargers, SSD or SDHC Extreme cards, adapter... Made the price difference between the two like 1000 USD? But I think, or after my order, really hope :D, that the BMCC worth far more than the price difference of 1000 USD.

So that's my short story behind the BMCC :)
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Re: EF vs MFT ?

PostThu Aug 22, 2013 3:25 pm

thanks for the insights therussian2
does anyone know how the iris feature in the MFT works? against the EF mount?
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Re: EF vs MFT ?

PostThu Aug 22, 2013 3:31 pm

bherrero wrote:Hi everyone, as I was one of the last ones to order the Pocket (July, 2013), and no one knows where they truly are right now, so I figure I won't see my camera before Christmas...

So the strategically price drop n the 2.4k may get to me, so my question is: which mount should I get?
I have a Nikon D7100 and some full frame lenses (even the D7100 being a cropped sensor) and also have some MFT lenses for my photo camera, BUT I would like to have the automatic iris and the MFT option won't allow it right?
Or is the automatic focusing no such a big deal? What other uses will the iris button have if it is not automatic with non automatic focus lenses?

Perhaps I am being narrow minded with the question, but would like your advise on what mount to get should I proceed with the 2.4k camera.
Thanks!
B

Hi,

What's the best for you depends on what you plan to use the camera for. Do explain what you plan to use it for.

Cheers,
Jules
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Re: EF vs MFT ?

PostThu Aug 22, 2013 3:33 pm

Hi Jules,
I will be using it to make corporate videos of how products work, it is shooting both indoors and outdoors. Also for some events.
Hope this helps
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Re: EF vs MFT ?

PostThu Aug 22, 2013 4:14 pm

Not my field. I'll leave it to others much more qualified.

Jules
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Re: EF vs MFT ?

PostThu Aug 22, 2013 6:20 pm

bherrero wrote:Hi everyone, as I was one of the last ones to order the Pocket (July, 2013), and no one knows where they truly are right now, so I figure I won't see my camera before Christmas...

So the strategically price drop n the 2.4k may get to me, so my question is: which mount should I get?
I have a Nikon D7100 and some full frame lenses (even the D7100 being a cropped sensor) and also have some MFT lenses for my photo camera, BUT I would like to have the automatic iris and the MFT option won't allow it right?
Or is the automatic focusing no such a big deal? What other uses will the iris button have if it is not automatic with non automatic focus lenses?

Perhaps I am being narrow minded with the question, but would like your advise on what mount to get should I proceed with the 2.4k camera.
Thanks!
B



Hi,

I can also just give my experience with my BMCC MFT purchase. I also thought long and hard about this and spent hours reading forums, and researching the differences, pros, cons etc. Firstly, yes it does depend on what you're doing and how much control you'll have on-set. The camera has great dynamic range even in Prores as I've tested it and in a corporate video environment I'd imagine shooting in ProRes would be great if you have the control to light it properly - which I'd imagine you would compared to a low budget, time-contrained indie film.

As far as EF vs MFT, it honestly is a mixture of what you own, your budget, and taste.(you'll probably hear that a million times) Again, I can only say why I chose my mft and here's why: I work in post production professionally but have shot professionally quite a bit in the past but owned none of my own gear. I personally like the feel of mechanical manual lenses; to me shooting in an all-manual mode is the way to go. I focus manually and expose manually and with the mft you simply turn the ring on the lens. To me pushing a button on the camera isn't horrible but the feel of mechanical is just a preference. The focus peaking on the camera has been awesome and I use it and the tap-to-zoom feature to check my focus and so far it's been easy and great. As far as exposure, I've either used a light meter or used the zebra stripes to help set the aperture and not blow anything out. Again, an easy turn of the aperture ring and we're good. (the iris button on the mft literally does nothing) As far as lens selection, I simply purchased old all manual, all mechanical, and their respective adapters. Rokinon, and SLR magic also sells some nice newer lenses which I plan to purchase. So, this has worked great for me and I love the camera. My use for it by the way is for whatever it's needed for - from feature film to commercial video to anything - and I'm comfortable that the camera can handle it with it's great range.

As far as the EF, I can see someone purchasing that who have accumulated a vast collection of EF lenses and want the east of slapping em on and shooting. If I was in that situation with tons of pre-owned lenses I'd probably get the EF since I'd most likely have a system of shooting already in place and gear.

But, I do know that you can use EF lenses on the MFT with a trick of setting the aperture on the body of the DSLR, removing the lens and then attaching it to the BMCC via the EF to m4/3 adapter. Sounds like a hassle but I've done it a few times and honestly it's not that bad. In a pinch, know that those lenses can be used if you own an inexpensive adapter.

So that' s my two cents. Basically in choosing which to go with, a big question to ask yourself is do you want to have access to easily accessible EF automatic lenses which you can buy, attach to the camera and shoot or have to look for mechanical lenses (which are harder to find) the adapter, then set the focus and aperture manually. (which like anything else you quickly learn and before you know it is second nature)

Hope this helps in some way and doesn't add more confusion to everything !
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Re: EF vs MFT ?

PostThu Aug 22, 2013 6:25 pm

Hi FTColorist, you have been VERY helpful with your response.
Thanks so much for the insights and self experience.
bherrero

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