Canon EOS 5R/6R announcement & new lp-e6 Battery

Just saw this today...might be OLD news but could be of benefit to us.. if supported.

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Canon also introduces three new EOS accessories: a new battery for the EOS R5 and EOS R6, a battery grip and a battery grip style Wi-Fi transmitter. The LP-E6NH is a new longer life battery supplied with EOS R5, EOS R6 and compatible with all existing cameras that use the LP-E6 series batteries. It replaces replaces LP-E6N, with an increased capacity of 14% reaching 2130mAh, enabling users to shoot for longer while maintaining compatibility with existing products and accessories.

Just saw this today...might be OLD news but could be of benefit to us.. if supported.

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Canon also introduces three new EOS accessories: a new battery for the EOS R5 and EOS R6, a battery grip and a battery grip style Wi-Fi transmitter. The LP-E6NH is a new longer life battery supplied with EOS R5, EOS R6 and compatible with all existing cameras that use the LP-E6 series batteries. It replaces replaces LP-E6N, with an increased capacity of 14% reaching 2130mAh, enabling users to shoot for longer while maintaining compatibility with existing products and accessories.

That is very considerate of Canon. One less plate to buy.

Looks interesting, but I assume they're also going to have a very high price as well. Is there any maths that would show how much of an improvement this new battery will have with the Pockets?

Old need as of two hours ago!

Ready or not here comes 8K DCI 12bit raw from a DSLR:

https://www.fdtimes.com/2020/07/09/cano ... aw-inside/

Anyone seen footage?

Doesn’t do AF/AE tracking at continuous 23.976 fps for 8K DCI.

Claims to record 8K DCI up to 20 minutes subject to internal temperature.

Up to 8 stops 5-axis IS with compatible lenses.

5GHz 802.11ac wireless with optional WFT-R10 transmitter attached.

Within its limitations, very impressive move for Canon.

No footage but did see a report that it overheats within 15-20 minutes when filming in 8K highest speed.

No footage but did see a report that it overheats within 15-20 minutes when filming in 8K highest speed.

Source(s) for this overheating report please.

No footage but did see a report that it overheats within 15-20 minutes when filming in 8K highest speed.

Source(s) for this overheating report please.

I stand corrected. In looking back at my readings this morning, specifically about overheating, I found more credible reports than what I had initially read, that there was NO overheating. ( https://petapixel.com/2020/07/06/8k-mod ... ng-issues/ ).

Canon claims up to 20 minutes at room temperature recording for 8K DCI. That’s a more reliable guide I should think. Look at the Canon video with my post #4.

I tracked down my original source about the overheating. It came from a Peter McKinnon video. Cannot find the video yet, still looking. I just saw his name and assumed it was valid.

Here is Canon’s introduction to the R5:

This is official and more complete:

This will lead to more R5 and R6 official videos.

A good overview, from the view of a cinematographer, is here:

https://www.newsshooter.com/2020/07/09/ ... announced/

Among other things: raw on this camera is not Canon raw light (which is already at a comparatively high data rate). This one has a data rate of 2600Mb/s(!)

And this:

Canon doesn’t officially list dynamic range or base ISO when shooting video for any of its mirrorless cameras. From sources within Canon that I have spoken to, the best results will be obtained at 400 ISO and the dynamic range of the R5 should be around 12 stops.

This is not a Canon C300 Mark III or C500 Mark II and people should not be expecting that the R5 will have the same dynamic range as those cameras.

Pending a look at the footage, best thing about this one is IBIS and dual-pixel tech, if you ask me. 8K is for who, exactly, and raw will be impractical for most shooters, Downsampling is nice, but you can also downsample to 4k or FHD to APS-C crop on this camera, though not from full sensor.

A good overview, from the view of a cinematographer, is here:

https://www.newsshooter.com/2020/07/09/ ... announced/

Among other things: raw on this camera is not Canon raw light (which is already at a comparatively high data rate). This one has a data rate of 2600Mb/s(!)

And this:

Canon doesn’t officially list dynamic range or base ISO when shooting video for any of its mirrorless cameras. From sources within Canon that I have spoken to, the best results will be obtained at 400 ISO and the dynamic range of the R5 should be around 12 stops.

This is not a Canon C300 Mark III or C500 Mark II and people should not be expecting that the R5 will have the same dynamic range as those cameras.

Pending a look at the footage, best thing about this one is IBIS and dual-pixel tech, if you ask me. 8K is for who, exactly, and raw will be impractical for most shooters, Downsampling is nice, but you can also downsample to 4k or FHD to APS-C crop on this camera, though not from full sensor.

12 STOPS DR?! Yeah, hard pass from me. I'll stick to the Blackmagic UMP G2 and may still add the Pocket 6K to replace my original UM4.6K. But for stills I'd say you're better off with the Sony A7R IV.

The only thing I really like is the CFExpress card option. I hope Blackmagic goes that route with their future cameras.

As for the Canon LP-E6 batteries... just go Sony L-Series because they have better battery life overall.

You have to consider one person's 12 stop is another person's 13 or more stops.

I decided to edit the thread title to better reflect the discussion.

Looks interesting, but I assume they're also going to have a very high price as well. Is there any maths that would show how much of an improvement this new battery will have with the Pockets?

It suppose to only give 20% improvement and cost £115. Ths means instead of typically the battery last only 25 minutes it now gets me 30 minutes so no thanks. I will stay with the battery grip
https://www.wexphotovideo.com/canon-lp-e6nh-battery-1744948/

I just bought 2 Baxxtar NP-F550 cost £35 for the BMPCC4k battery grip and it last 3hrs 4mins from full charge.

Not sure if this is accurate, but when I compared the R5 and R6, the MSRP was $3,899 and $2,499 body only respectively. So 8K for less than $4K.

8K is not interesting to me at all.

Ths means instead of typically the battery last only 25 minutes it now gets me 30 minutes so no thanks. I will stay with the battery grip

Original Canon batteries lasts considerably longer than that on a Pocket for me. I've only seen 25 minute battery life with cheap copies.

They did a pretty good job and finally listened haha.
Personally I’m more keen for the R6 as a main stills camera to replace my R and to use as my YouTube camera and bcam for my bmpcc6K when needed.
Keeping my BMPCC6K as a main work camera that's for sure!!

Without seeing footage, difficult to assess beyond the specs. First and foremost it is a stills camera but designed to accommodate video with that 8K DCI or the ability to oversample to generate 4K DCI in camera. One flaw in the specs is that some of the auto features such as tracking are only supported up to 20 fps. Might be a different story if that went to 25/23.976 fps.

Also odd that Canon Australia wasn’t specific about the greater battery capacity of the new battery. They should have said 25% longer for example. And I assume the new batteries will still work in any other camera or battery system or charger as the old batteries, but you never know.

I ordered the R6 with the 24-105mm f/4-f/7.1 kit lens. Perfect for my needs except for a few things:

- No 4k DCI support, even if the sensor/Digic can do it (if only up to 30fps). In fact, the R6's sensor has the perfect ratio and pixel number specifically for DCI instead of UHD (the UHD on the R6 is cropped at 1.07x in order to get binning instead of line skipping).

- No picture style support at 4k 10bit. I personally use the VisionColor CineTech picture style, which I consider the best thing since sliced bread, and I prefer it even over c-log (due to be optimized for Kodak colors).

- Micro HDMI is way worse than the mini HDMI. I shot a short film last week, and my micro HDMI cable connected on the Canon M50 died.

- No proxy support on the second SD card slot (even an 8bit 720p proxy h.264 file would have been great over the h.265 4k file for many people).

- No ALL-I recording.

- 4k RAW (1.33x crop) would have been nice too, but that's ok. Just give us 4k DCI h.265 at least.

However, these are minor problems. Overall, for a single-(wo)man-band this is unbeatable. No need for a person to take care of your follow focus (for the most part), and no need for gimbals (for the most part). I always needed good IBIS/IS and great AF, along a good-enough exporting format. The R6 brings me that.

As I wrote above, I shot a narrative short film with two actors last week (screenshots: https://twitter.com/EugeniaLoli/status/ ... 0557337601 ), and while I have access to the BMPCC 4k, the 4k Sony A6400, and even the 4k Fuji GFX100, I opted for the Canon M50 at 1080p as an A-cam, just because of its AF. I can't possibly take care of audio, directing, lights, and focusing all at the same time. Something had to give and manual focus was what it had to be removed from the equation. AF worked fine, not a single take was out of focus. The R6 supposedly has even better AF, which is gold for me.

Congratulations! Remind me not to get into a gun fight with you. You have a quick trigger finger. I’ll debate for a year if I should replace my ancient Canon XT Rebel (he says sheepishly). Every stop of dynamic range lost compared to the URSA Mini 4.6K can be felt when grading.

Would appreciate all the benefits though. Having reliable focus and stability are big draws. I won’t purchase anything until NAB 2021 (says the optimist with his glass always half-full).

Congratulations! Remind me not to get into a gun fight with you. You have a quick trigger finger.

I've been waiting for that camera for a few months now, since I heard the rumors for it. I have lots of cameras, but they all lack that "one-(wo)man-band" ability. They lack this or that feature that is needed if you're trying to get the best out of the camera without extra crew or gear. The R6 is the first camera that does what I need in a single package.

Every stop of dynamic range lost compared to the URSA Mini 4.6K can be felt when grading.

I've been grading in a way that brings highlights down to about 800 IRE, no matter if over-exposed or not. I strive for no true blacks, and no true whites, the way film was. So even if a camera might not have a huge DR (although the HDR-PQ mode on the R5/R6 might have the same if not better DR than C-log), if you grade it "grey", it is not immediately visible to the eye that the DR is lacking. Filmmakers like us will notice, but the average viewer won't, because the sharp white overexposure would be dulled-down visually-speaking. I've shot many music videos with the 5D MkII back in the day, which had a DR in video mode at around 9.5 stops, which is ridiculously low, but it all turned out ok. The R6 at 12 stops is good enough IMHO.

I just bought 2 Baxxtar NP-F550 cost £35 for the BMPCC4k battery grip and it last 3hrs 4mins from full charge.

Wow. I've heard a lot of mediocre/bad things about the BMD battery grip, but 3+ hours from one charge is pretty impressive.
Do you always get these times? What settings + ext. equipmemt do you use?

Original Canon batteries lasts considerably longer than that on a Pocket for me. I've only seen 25 minute battery life with cheap copies.

I also used original as well as the one that came with the BMPCC4k. Last for 25mins if I'm lucky. Maybe your settings are different.

Wow. I've heard a lot of mediocre/bad things about the BMD battery grip, but 3+ hours from one charge is pretty impressive.
Do you always get these times? What settings + ext. equipmemt do you use?

The Baxxtar NP-F550 has 3100mAh the highest I can find, German design also it is new so you are looking at optimum performance here. Setting Braw 1:5 25fps 4k.

I got 2hrs from Turpow NP-F550 2900mAh.

I will be getting the R5 because a I need to replace my 5DMk2. I'm also interested in the video and the new DPAF and IBIS. The overheat limitation is not a problem for me, clearly 8k and oversampled 4k from 8k and 4k high frame rates are going to eat up memory anyway and I would only use those mode scarcely in short takes of no more than a few minutes at a time. Seriously if you can shoot 20 or 30 minutes continuousely in those mode what memory card are you using, also you must have a very big budget and should be looking at buying or hiring a RED or Alexa not fannying around with a mirrorless hybrid.

I agree with Wahway. The Canon R5 is very impressive and will shine when used with relatively short takes with some time between shots and where it’s going to take advantage of its features. Could work well in many situations but certainly not recording two to three hour events. Narrative and possibly music videos, that sort of planned and carefully controlled shoots.

Atomos Ninja V and Shogun 7 can record from R5 and R6 in 10 bit 422 Prores Raw.
All the more reason to get rid of the useless 12G VA

https://www.4kshooters.net/2020/07/10/atomos-recorders-to-support-4k-10-bit-422-output-from-the-canon-eos-r5-and-eos-r6/

Atomos Ninja V and Shogun 7 can record from R5 and R6 in 10 bit 422 Prores Raw.

They announced ProRES support, not ProRES RAW.

Atomos Ninja V and Shogun 7 can record from R5 and R6 in 10 bit 422 Prores Raw.

They announced ProRES support, not ProRES RAW.

You are right but you know Prores Raw is comming for these cameras

IBIS is very impressive but the data rate and associated CFExpress price is crazy.

It makes me appreciate BRAW more every day.

the data rate and associated CFExpress price is crazy. It makes me appreciate BRAW more every day.

Actually, CRLight is about the same as BRAW. 325 MB/s for 8k/30p (VBR), while BRAW 3:1 is 323 MB/s for 6k/50 (constant) and goes up to 483 MB/sec for Q0 (VBR). So overall, about the same when accounting for the same res/fps and method (constant vs VBR). Both are lighter than ProRES RAW and DNG.

I have a feeling Canon is not done yet with the final spec of the R5. When the dust is settled after Sony, Panasonic, etc, reveals their hands, it will offer owner the option to have a paid hardware upgrade performed at dealership to increase its video abilities further. Remember the 5DMkIV an optional paid upgrade to C Log after the camera released.

Using Atomos Ninja V or Shogun 7 can record R5 oversampled 4k 60fps in 10 bits 422 ProRes without overheat limit on cheaper SSD. Maybe a Ninja VI can do 4k 120fps?
https://www.redsharknews.com/canon-eos-r5-a-closer-examination-of-what-it-means-for-video

This should lower Andrew Reid's blood pressure over at EOSHD

On the R6 you can record 4K from the 5.1K sensor according to the article. But calling that “very, very good 4K” on the Atomos Ninja seems to be over reaching as the video signal out is 4:2:2, no? Seems one “very” is pushing it. Now the R5 may merit higher quality 4K but until real people are shooting we won’t get to come to conclusions. No way the first Canon footage from a Canon hired cinematographer will show any shortcomings unless they hire one with unquestionable integrity.

There is report Canon will bring out a firmware update to include compress RAW for 8k, 4k, 2k and 1080p at all frame rates with C Log 3 soon after Sony A7SIII has been announced.

C Log 3 is 14 stops according to Canon.

Nice.

All of Canon's websites are down. Over 10 Terrabytes have been stolen from their systems. They have to pay millions in ransom to get it back, and so far they won't.

Is this how old, established companies become a target and go out of business?

They have no backups? Come on.
And if it's about IP, they wouldn't pay ransom for sure since the other side will have a backup too…

Apparently, the virus or something, has been in their system for quite some time unnoticed. Their backups must be corrupted.

The sites include canonusa.com, usa.canon.com, canonhelp.com, imageland.net, consumer.usa.canon.com, cusa.canon.com.