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BMPCC 4/6/6PK camera 7.3 update

PostMon Apr 26, 2021 3:10 am

one word. Awesome!!!

Now can we have the UMP G2 firmware updated too. Give us Gen 5 on it as well.
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PostMon Apr 26, 2021 3:35 am

One word: awesome!
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Re: BMPCC 4/6/6PK camera 7.3 update

PostMon Apr 26, 2021 3:41 am

Yeah some nice little features, fixing the display tint on my P4k is a real nice to have. Universal gamut with Gen 5 when shooting extended video Prores is probably the biggest win for me.

However autofocus is now useless with my Tamron G2's, won't focus at all with a Metabones ultra 4k edition, It used to work before. I know that the G2's can be finicky (they don't work with c200..etc)
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PostMon Apr 26, 2021 3:53 am

Yeah, these updates are very nice. Now if only they get them to the URSA Mini Pro G2 in Firmware 7.4...
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Re: BMPCC 4/6/6PK camera 7.3 update

PostMon Apr 26, 2021 4:05 am

Viltrox EF-M2 II is dead also. NO IS, NO AF and NO IRIS and we will never know if an update is coming or not
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PostMon Apr 26, 2021 4:22 am

Mike Potton wrote:Yeah some nice little features, fixing the display tint on my P4k is a real nice to have. Universal gamut with Gen 5 when shooting extended video Prores is probably the biggest win for me...


Don’t forget to include Gen 5 Video if you’re going to shoot a ProRes test of the changes. In the past, Video always seemed a little harsh, but this looks very useful now in 7.3. Working in HDR scopes in the latest Resolve, with Gen 5 in camera, it’s so capable for a budget 4K camera.
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Re: BMPCC 4/6/6PK camera 7.3 update

PostMon Apr 26, 2021 4:30 am

Question: If you upgrade your BMPCC 4k with this 7.3 update, can you still view / edit the your video clips in Davinci Resolve 16.2 that still uses the previous generation color science? Thanks in advance.
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Re: BMPCC 4/6/6PK camera 7.3 update

PostMon Apr 26, 2021 5:15 am

Lens support got worse in a few examples, rather than better, despite this listed feature of the firmware update:

"Improves auto focus and active lens control."

My Tamron lenses on the BMPCC6K Pro lost auto-focus control, after working perfectly before 7.3. (I know, this is not a camera fundamentally designed for auto-focusing, but Blackmagic clearly cares about the capability, because its update is supposed to improve it -- and I use auto-focus to reach a solid starting point before confirming focus, savings lots of time across a shoot.) With 7.3, holding down on the touchscreen, or pressing the focus button, SLOWLY hunts in and out until finally landing on a spot totally out of focus.

I'm also tentatively disappointed by the way Blackmagic Design appears to have addressed the BMPCC6K Pro's blue/green monitor defect, which could have been a full product recall. I've seen quite a few color calibration tools in software/firmware on various devices, but this pretty much undermines color science to "taste" instead of stable references. Even Windows 10 (and Mac OS?) has a better interactive tool that's extremely simple to use, aiming for reference accuracy. Perhaps the company has adopted that minority attitude of argumentative users so far, who pontificate that color accuracy on a camera monitor is irrelevant or hardly important. Yet most of us (from amateurs to working professionals) strongly disagree, especially for livestreaming when you can't re-grade later...
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Re: BMPCC 4/6/6PK camera 7.3 update

PostMon Apr 26, 2021 5:16 am

Now Blackmagic can release this screen calibration for the Video Assist 12G HDR?
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Re: BMPCC 4/6/6PK camera 7.3 update

PostMon Apr 26, 2021 5:37 am

Well worth the wait esp the RGB info.
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Re: BMPCC 4/6/6PK camera 7.3 update

PostMon Apr 26, 2021 6:01 am

sorry to hear about lens control problems.

For my Pocket 4k and native lenses this update is excellent. At last the Focus Assist is improved, much better than before. I was hoping for this, as well as for Q1 and Q3. And a color chart for False Color. Huge improvements.
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Re: BMPCC 4/6/6PK camera 7.3 update

PostMon Apr 26, 2021 6:59 am

My Pocket 6k Pro never had the blue tint problem that many others have had but looked a little cooler. After the ver 7.3 update the screen looked warmer and so far matches what I'm seeing. I checked the calibration setting and I don't need to do anything with it, WB looked fine. So I guess with mine the screen temperature was readjusted by the FW update.
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Re: BMPCC 4/6/6PK camera 7.3 update

PostMon Apr 26, 2021 8:37 am

I have a small problem, too (P4K):

My Lumix G lenses (at least my 12-35 f2.8) don't focus if I hold the screen. It does try to focus, but it always ends out of focus. I can focus manually, but that holding-the-screen-option is now broken for me.


Anyways, thanks BMD for Q1, Q3 & Gen5!
If you could fix the focussing issue (and maybe, finally add a 48p project setting :P ), I'd be eternally grateful. :D


BTW: Has anyone here a good tip how to calibrate the screen? I don't trust my eyes with that. ;)


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I've tested two other lenses. The Lumix G 35-100 f2.8 & the cheap Lumix 14-42 f3.5-5.6 kit-lens. The 14-42 focuses well, not always on point, but it hits the mark about 90% of the time (sometimes I had to try twice). The 35-100 always hits some mark, but I'd say 95% of the time, it's not the mark I set. Sometimes it's "before" my mark, sometimes "behind" it, but it only hit the correct mark once.
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Re: BMPCC 4/6/6PK camera 7.3 update

PostMon Apr 26, 2021 8:51 am

honestly, although sometimes I criticize you for your decisions, I have to admit that this 7.3 update makes me regain my confidence in you, now just try this version
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PostMon Apr 26, 2021 10:48 am

Pleased to see that the 6K has now got the 4K DCI in BRAW option as well :D
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PostMon Apr 26, 2021 10:57 am

My 6k Pro still has the blue tint. When i compare it with my VA 5" 12g.
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PostMon Apr 26, 2021 11:13 am

Oh yes! Especially excited about Q1 and Q3.

I was also pleasantly surprised that false color now actually shows violet in the blacks. There was a glitch in my Pocket 4K, it only showed blue in the darks with all previous firmwares.

Akpe, did you check the LCD White Balance Calibration option in the menu? You can adjust it manually there.
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Re: BMPCC 4/6/6PK camera 7.3 update

PostMon Apr 26, 2021 11:15 am

Just to be sure: the update said it failed after 99%, the software said no camera was connected, but then upon rebooting my camera it showed 7.3 and seems to be working fine. I should be fine right?
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Re: BMPCC 4/6/6PK camera 7.3 update

PostMon Apr 26, 2021 11:41 am

This is a welcome update. But then again, my speed booster seem to have lost all its connection with the camera. Although, I mostly use manual Lense, I can only but imagine what a hair-pulling ordeal it must be for people who just want the update to fix things and not ruin things further. I guess, we'll have to wait for a few more weeks before BM can release another update and fix this as well.

Now, can anyone from Blackmagic comment if the 12G 7" Video Assist is due to receive a similar update that adds a LCD Calibration tool? I just bought my Video Assist and I hate going through the entire hassle of returning and waiting and all that. Especially with the pandemic raging in my part of the world.
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Re: BMPCC 4/6/6PK camera 7.3 update

PostMon Apr 26, 2021 11:49 am

For those who have installed it, is Gen4/5 selectable in-camera? Assuming no, what happens when v16 reads these Gen5 braw files? Is Gen4 selectable in the raw tab, and functional?
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PostMon Apr 26, 2021 12:07 pm

ttakala wrote:Oh yes! Especially excited about Q1 and Q3.

I was also pleasantly surprised that false color now actually shows violet in the blacks. There was a glitch in my Pocket 4K, it only showed blue in the darks with all previous firmwares.

Akpe, did you check the LCD White Balance Calibration option in the menu? You can adjust it manually there.

I have manage to tweek it in the "Calibration option" but not sure i have it 100% spot on as my 12g video assist am comparing it with seems like it might have more magenta in it.
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PostMon Apr 26, 2021 12:12 pm

John Paines wrote:For those who have installed it, is Gen4/5 selectable in-camera? Assuming no, what happens when v16 reads these Gen5 braw files? Is Gen4 selectable in the raw tab, and functional?


It's not selectable in camera, but you can toggle it in camera raw inside Resolve.
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PostMon Apr 26, 2021 12:15 pm

In 16? (where there won't be a Gen5 option, nothing to toggle?)
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PostMon Apr 26, 2021 12:17 pm

Oh sorry, missed that part. Why are you staying on 16, if I may ask? 17.1.1. is very stable for me (previous versions were more hit and miss).
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Re: BMPCC 4/6/6PK camera 7.3 update

PostMon Apr 26, 2021 12:56 pm

I have a feeling that with this update I have more IR pollution visable without using nd filter, is this even possible?
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PostMon Apr 26, 2021 2:00 pm

Wow they really do hate the G2...
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PostMon Apr 26, 2021 2:02 pm

timbutt2 wrote:Yeah, these updates are very nice. Now if only they get them to the URSA Mini Pro G2 in Firmware 7.4...


And G1 I hope, if I can't match all my BM cameras that would suck
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PostMon Apr 26, 2021 2:27 pm

Akpe Ododoru wrote:I have manage to tweek it in the "Calibration option" but not sure i have it 100% spot on as my 12g video assist am comparing it with seems like it might have more magenta in it.


I don’t know if and when BMD will bring the monitor calibration option to the BMVA12G Video Assists or other cameras. I think it’s going to take some time to feel the view is 100% spot on for a variety of reasons including that we are using our eyes to set the balance and our perceptions of colours are not always going to be consistent in many shooting environments that are causing colour to fall on the screen from various sources. From one day or time of day to the next you might come to slightly different settings.

But for those shooters who use the screen to judge white balance in a scene, this is a good improvement. I can test against an 18% grey card with the camera AWB and then tweak the BMPCC4K monitor to closely match what my eyes perceive as neutral. Our eyes are not all the same to further complicate things. I have a warmer tint in one eye compared to the other, but I feel this change will be useful as we become more accustomed to using it. My BMPCC4K and BMVA12G7 are quite close now. With the same feature added to the BMVA12G7, they might be visually spot on or in agreement.

Judging white balance is essential for some shooters especially going to broadcast, but not so critical for me as I’m always tweaking colour for effect.
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BMPCC 4/6/6PK camera 7.3 update

PostMon Apr 26, 2021 2:35 pm

I really appreciate this update. Since I almost always have shot Q0, now Q1 and Q3 will become my new defaults subject to media constraints. So nice to have that.

Clipping has always been a bit tricky because in the past you might clip one channel only and that might now trigger the clipping warning. Having those little RGB clip boxes is much more helpful. When you view a scene, if you know one box is clipped, you might easily decide “that’s okay” (or “not okay”). An example might be where you have extreme dynamic range in the scene and it’s natural not to see all detail everywhere. Very well executed.
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Re: BMPCC 4/6/6PK camera 7.3 update

PostMon Apr 26, 2021 2:42 pm

I should say my enthusiasm may not be as complete if I shot with electronically controlled lenses rather than manual lenses. Hope you find a 7.3.1 update or lens firmware update soon to correct that.
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PostMon Apr 26, 2021 3:22 pm

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Re: BMPCC 4/6/6PK camera 7.3 update

PostMon Apr 26, 2021 3:28 pm

Does anybody find that the Focus peaking is quite weak with the new update ?

I just downgraded to 6.9.6 to compare and I can see a real difference.
For exemple with my Helios 48-2 I couldn't see any focus peaking even on high on 7.3 and back in 6.9.6 no problem.

Maybe something to do with the new color science ? Any idea ?
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PostMon Apr 26, 2021 3:32 pm

I'm a bit confused, I thought Gen5 color science was a Resolve settings thing? What is the advantage of having it in camera?
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PostMon Apr 26, 2021 3:37 pm

Kays Alatrakchi wrote:I'm a bit confused, I thought Gen5 color science was a Resolve settings thing? What is the advantage of having it in camera?


That you can use it with ProRes now for example.
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Re: BMPCC 4/6/6PK camera 7.3 update

PostMon Apr 26, 2021 3:52 pm

MCP935 wrote:Does anybody find that the Focus peaking is quite weak with the new update ?

I just downgraded to 6.9.6 to compare and I can see a real difference.
For exemple with my Helios 48-2 I couldn't see any focus peaking even on high on 7.3 and back in 6.9.6 no problem.

Maybe something to do with the new color science ? Any idea ?

this is interesting what you have observed. My observation was the opposite. Same lens, same position, and after the 7.3 update Focus Assist is much better to see.
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PostMon Apr 26, 2021 4:04 pm

Viltrox EF-M2 II is not working with 7.3. I've tried 3.5 (newest) software for Viltrox, than downgraded to 3.3 and 2.3 - no luck.

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PostMon Apr 26, 2021 4:10 pm

Metabones xl 0.64, both standard and cine model, can't hit correct AF after 7.3 on P4k.
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PostMon Apr 26, 2021 4:17 pm

gasnik wrote:Viltrox EF-M2 II is not working with 7.3. I've tried 3.5 (newest) software for Viltrox, than downgraded to 3.3 and 2.3 - no luck.

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PostMon Apr 26, 2021 4:46 pm

Nice to see they added a Time-lapse mode indicator for the people that forget they have used it before :mrgreen:

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PostMon Apr 26, 2021 4:50 pm

Can anyone confirm me with the new update you can finally playback/view taken DNG photos in camera?

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Tim Franks wrote:Nice to see they added a Time-lapse mode indicator for the people that forget they have used it before :mrgreen:

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That has been there since firmware 4.x - for more than 5 years.
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PostMon Apr 26, 2021 4:54 pm

MCP935 wrote:Does anybody find that the Focus peaking is quite weak with the new update ?

I just downgraded to 6.9.6 to compare and I can see a real difference.
For exemple with my Helios 48-2 I couldn't see any focus peaking even on high on 7.3 and back in 6.9.6 no problem.

Maybe something to do with the new color science ? Any idea ?


I've noticed the same thing. LUT on or off it seems much weaker. I have it set to High (although I'm not 100% sure this is supposed to affect the peaking - it may just be for colored lines) and I can barely tell when I switch it on or off.
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Re: BMPCC 4/6/6PK camera 7.3 update

PostMon Apr 26, 2021 5:25 pm

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MCP935 wrote:Does anybody find that the Focus peaking is quite weak with the new update ?

I just downgraded to 6.9.6 to compare and I can see a real difference.
For exemple with my Helios 48-2 I couldn't see any focus peaking even on high on 7.3 and back in 6.9.6 no problem.

Maybe something to do with the new color science ? Any idea ?


I've noticed the same thing. LUT on or off it seems much weaker. I have it set to High (although I'm not 100% sure this is supposed to affect the peaking - it may just be for colored lines) and I can barely tell when I switch it on or off.


Peaking or colored lines are both very weak (peaking I can't see at all, colored lines on high I can barely see), I tried reseting everything but still the same thing, I think I'll stay with 6.9.6 for now...
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Re: BMPCC 4/6/6PK camera 7.3 update

PostMon Apr 26, 2021 6:28 pm

Looks like they changed the battery readout. Early 4K pockets where third party batteries could get stuck would break the battery proximity sensor if you pulled the battery by force. With a broken battery proximity sensor the camera wouldn't show percentage remaining, only voltage. In 7.3 it can show percentage again if you select it.

I too find the focus peaking in 7.3 a bit weak even when set to High (Pocket 4K, UHD).
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Re: BMPCC 4/6/6PK camera 7.3 update

PostMon Apr 26, 2021 7:13 pm

Great update, I agree that both colored lines and especially peaking seems much weaker. Set colored lines to high where before I had it set to medium and it still seems weaker (but perhaps more accurate then? Never had problems with it before) than on the previous update.
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PostMon Apr 26, 2021 7:35 pm

Robert Niessner wrote:
Tim Franks wrote:Nice to see they added a Time-lapse mode indicator for the people that forget they have used it before :mrgreen:

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That has been there since firmware 4.x - for more than 5 years.

Really? I can swear that wasn't there previously! I wonder it was mist on almost every second 6K Pro review? :lol:
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Re: BMPCC 4/6/6PK camera 7.3 update

PostMon Apr 26, 2021 8:19 pm

Ellory Yu wrote:one word. Awesome!!!

Now can we have the UMP G2 firmware updated too. Give us Gen 5 on it as well.
And G1, don’t miss g1


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Re: BMPCC 4/6/6PK camera 7.3 update

PostMon Apr 26, 2021 9:15 pm

xchrisx wrote:Can anyone confirm me with the new update you can finally playback/view taken DNG photos in camera?

Thanks


No news about that.
They have to correct the adapters problems so, maybe, they can add DNG preview and... digital button to take DNG.
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Re: BMPCC 4/6/6PK camera 7.3 update

PostMon Apr 26, 2021 9:20 pm

Most noticeable changes is my BMPCC4k screen the green cast is gone after calibration but I have to move the tint slider all the way right to far end of the magenta. That how bad the green overcast was. It would be perfect if there was another 10 percent of magenta to play with on that tint slider. I connected the HDMI out to my calibration monitor to help set the WB of my camera screen.
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Re: BMPCC 4/6/6PK camera 7.3 update

PostMon Apr 26, 2021 10:54 pm

WahWay wrote:Most noticeable changes is my BMPCC4k screen the green cast is gone after calibration but I have to move the tint slider all the way right to far end of the magenta...


Good news!
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