black magic 4k

black magic 4k

Finally I cancel my order. I lost 600 euros of booking. I do not care .


have you heard of magic lantern ?

gives you the ability to record in raw with canon cameras . RAW TRUTH .

the 5d mark 3 gives you posiblidida recording the 3400 lines and a dynamic rando 14 stops. the price 2800 euro 5d . QUALITY UNBEATABLE PRICE . 14 stops of dynamic range , full frame . variety of recording formats . 1920 . 1280. 2.5 k etc .

BUT THIS IS NOT THE BEST .

For those who are only interested in the video , not photography. Canon has released the new canon 6d . with the same sensor and processor as the 5d mar 3 . somewhat more limited in frames per second , focus, and two more things .
NO IMPORTANCE .

 BECAUSE WHAT WE INTRESA IS THAT RECORD IN FULL FRAME, AND HAVE A GOOD VIDEO PROCESSOR TO PROCESS IN RAW .

the canon 6d has the same processor and same sensor as the 5d mark 3 . that means that the video is just as powerful and much cheaper 1800 euros . if you are only interested in recording and not in the picture. this is the perfect camera to record RAW 3k and even ALMOST 4K .

is much better than the BM 2.5 . the canon 6d as this is full frame and records with more lines .

the installation of the plug- in is very easy 6d . I think the price is very good quality .

the plugins are being used in the best film festivals and everyone speaks highly of MAGIC LANTERN .

TOTAL WARRANTY. NO DAMAGE THE CAMERA .

Best of all is that it is used by many professionals.

Video test example

ams also available for models

eos 7d , 70, 60 etc. .


NO LONGER HAVE TO BE EXPECTING MORE .

Now if there is competition for black magic .

black magic is very good company and gives very good quality. but the abuse of their customers has been great.

little attention to the client

failure dates.

lies.

etc.



Now we have a product even more accessible to the "poor" . and with a very good quality for a very low price .

Just LOL

The 6D is great if you like moire and aliasing.

black magic 4k

Finally I cancel my order. I lost 600 euros of booking. I do not care .


little attention to the client

failure dates.

lies.

etc.

Now we have a product even more accessible to the "poor" . and with a very good quality for a very low price .

blah blah blah....so you lost 600 Euros because you booked jobs with a camera you didn't own yet based on a preorder? Again, jobs plural and 600 euros... These said jobs required 4K resolution and you were only charging 600 euros total for all said jobs? For 600 euro you could have come close to purchasing the 2.5K version and done the jobs assuming your client didn't actually need 4k. If they did, you are charging way too little based on the computing time and processor requirements needed for 4k footage.

Does this latern hack shoot 4k?

480GB for 5d3 = 800 €
480GB for BMCC = 358 €

any ideas how 6D could record 2k at the current SD cards?

I just loled.

si. se puede grabar sin problemas.

http://www.pixmania.es/sd-sdhc/lexar-ta ... mp;merch=1

new sd are very powerful

any ideas how 6D could record 2k at the current SD cards?

I just loled.

(BLA BLA BLA)???? YOU SIR MY SITUATION?

I personally have paid 3800 euros in the store. by a camera "does not exist".

do not understand why you accept payments if the camera is not made. IS LOGICAL?.


I am an honest person and I think that most people also.

so I paid my camera in August. BM poruqe thought was an honest person and would fulfill the deadlines.

also my fault? I trust and now BLACK MAGIC BLACK MAGIC does not update or give information to anyone ...


some people say works with another camera but I can not. I trust my money. Now what?

this happened to me for trusting BLACK MAGIC. now not worthy or refresh the page.


my fault, I know. but it is my fault for trusting this company deadlines.


Now if I ask my money back. BLACK MAGIC want to stay 600 euros of the advance.

not my fault that black magic does not meet the deadlines.

I understand that money back if I do not want the camera. but it is black magic that has the fault.

is unfair.

3 months of waiting. and now they say that probably this ready by January.


NOT UNDERSTAND WHY NOT ASK ABOUT FORGIVENESS TO THE PEOPLE WHO HAVE COMMITTED.

THERE IS A LITTLE RESPECT. THE PEOPLE WHO HAVE TRUSTED bm.



PEOPLE SAY THERE HAVE PATIENCE. PREFER TO WAIT. HOW LONG? . people who claim to have patience is not trust. and not given their money upfront.

I made the mistake of relying on BM


give a tip. not laugh at a person who does not know

black magic 4k

Finally I cancel my order. I lost 600 euros of booking. I do not care .


little attention to the client

failure dates.

lies.

etc.

Now we have a product even more accessible to the "poor" . and with a very good quality for a very low price .

blah blah blah....so you lost 600 Euros because you booked jobs with a camera you didn't own yet based on a preorder? Again, jobs plural and 600 euros... These said jobs required 4K resolution and you were only charging 600 euros total for all said jobs? For 600 euro you could have come close to purchasing the 2.5K version and done the jobs assuming your client didn't actually need 4k. If they did, you are charging way too little based on the computing time and processor requirements needed for 4k footage.

Does this latern hack shoot 4k?

si. se puede grabar sin problemas.

http://www.pixmania.es/sd-sdhc/lexar-ta ... mp;merch=1

new sd are very powerful

any ideas how 6D could record 2k at the current SD cards?

I just loled.

NO, it's called compression.

I hope you are happy with your 6D, please post some video when you've shot some with it.

I do not say that the 5d 6d or replace the BM4k.

Just say it's a camera that can give you very good results. by a more than reasonable price.

EXAMPLE

You found a camera that for a price of 1600 euros as the canon 6d to do all this?

full frame (35mm aspect)

raw video recording 2k. 2,5 k. and in the future almost 4k.

in sd card

without accessories like filters, etc.

100% manageable and small.


BLACK MAGIC 2.5. BLACK MAGIC 4K

They are great cameras very good. but for people who do not have much money can be very expensive. you have to buy many accessories for proper operation.

the good thing is its low price BM4k.

but now with these new Canon cameras are a great competition for BM.

with a 5d mark 3 the purchase and is ready to run.

AGAIN FOR HICKS. Not replace BM. but if it is a good option and cheap

the canon 6d has the same processor and sensor as the Canon 5D. but it is more limited in photography options. but in the video is equal.

Please watch this video

or this one

here is a before and after

I see very well. for 1500 euros. only buy it and it can be used. no problems or accessories.

AGAIN THIS IS NOT A SUBSTITUTE FOR BM. but it is a fantastic option

I now HAVE RECORDED WITH IN raw 7D. AND LOOKS INCREDIBLY WELL.

imagine with 6d?

si. se puede grabar sin problemas.

http://www.pixmania.es/sd-sdhc/lexar-ta ... mp;merch=1

new sd are very powerful

any ideas how 6D could record 2k at the current SD cards?

I just loled.

NO, it's called compression.

I hope you are happy with your 6D, please post some video when you've shot some with it.

Seriously....just LOL

(BLA BLA BLA)???? YOU SIR MY SITUATION?

I personally have paid 3800 euros in the store. by a camera "does not exist".

do not understand why you accept payments if the camera is not made. IS LOGICAL?.


I am an honest person and I think that most people also.

so I paid my camera in August. BM poruqe thought was an honest person and would fulfill the deadlines.

also my fault? I trust and now BLACK MAGIC BLACK MAGIC does not update or give information to anyone ...


some people say works with another camera but I can not. I trust my money. Now what?

this happened to me for trusting BLACK MAGIC. now not worthy or refresh the page.


my fault, I know. but it is my fault for trusting this company deadlines.


Now if I ask my money back. BLACK MAGIC want to stay 600 euros of the advance.

not my fault that black magic does not meet the deadlines.

I understand that money back if I do not want the camera. but it is black magic that has the fault.

is unfair.

3 months of waiting. and now they say that probably this ready by January.


NOT UNDERSTAND WHY NOT ASK ABOUT FORGIVENESS TO THE PEOPLE WHO HAVE COMMITTED.

THERE IS A LITTLE RESPECT. THE PEOPLE WHO HAVE TRUSTED bm.



PEOPLE SAY THERE HAVE PATIENCE. PREFER TO WAIT. HOW LONG? . people who claim to have patience is not trust. and not given their money upfront.

I made the mistake of relying on BM


give a tip. not laugh at a person who does not know

black magic 4k

Finally I cancel my order. I lost 600 euros of booking. I do not care .


little attention to the client

failure dates.

lies.

etc.

Now we have a product even more accessible to the "poor" . and with a very good quality for a very low price .

You realize you didn't pay BM for your camera, right? The company you pre-ordered from had your money. That is their policy to hold your money as a pre-order.

You may be honest but you are not very smart if you booked work on an item that you didn't own and didn't even exist yet without a backup plan if it didn't work. I guess BM could have shipped you a camera on the delivery date that didn't work right. Would that have been more honest of them? Or is it better to not ship a defective product? They have stated the problem for the delay without any new updates on the status. If you don't accept that, you have every right to cancel your pre-order. That is the power you have as a consumer and buy a competitors product. If you end up being happy with the magicly hacked, warranty voided, DSLR then great! From your comments thus far, I think the 4K or 2.5K was probably a bit more than you needed for your 600 euro jobs anyway.

you do not understand anything ...

If I see a company " large and serious" put on their website that in September you can buy . by I'm not going to trust ? .


is the company who fails not me.

BM requires to make a reserve to pay 600 euros in advance. order to reserve ...

I've been waiting since August.

BM not kept his word .


my problem is NOT SERIOUS BLACK MAGIC ?

I have not failed to walk. usually a company gives you a date and I'll send . with black magic not been.


AGAIN I REPEAT FOR YOU

That these cameras have a very low price . and are ready for use . no need to buy more accsesorios . is a good choice for low-cost production .


the camera does not lose warranty since only a firewire that can be installed and uninstall again . big companies use it. and is the most spoken in the past festivals.

if you want to guarantee not lost. you just have to reinstall the factory and ready fireware . you talk about what you do not know ...


[quote="Forstm"][quote="piguar2007"](BLA BLA BLA)???? YOU SIR MY SITUATION?

I personally have paid 3800 euros in the store. by a camera "does not exist".

do not understand why you accept payments if the camera is not made. IS LOGICAL?.


I am an honest person and I think that most people also.

so I paid my camera in August. BM poruqe thought was an honest person and would fulfill the deadlines.

also my fault? I trust and now BLACK MAGIC BLACK MAGIC does not update or give information to anyone ...


some people say works with another camera but I can not. I trust my money. Now what?

this happened to me for trusting BLACK MAGIC. now not worthy or refresh the page.


my fault, I know. but it is my fault for trusting this company deadlines.


Now if I ask my money back. BLACK MAGIC want to stay 600 euros of the advance.

not my fault that black magic does not meet the deadlines.

I understand that money back if I do not want the camera. but it is black magic that has the fault.

is unfair.

3 months of waiting. and now they say that probably this ready by January.


NOT UNDERSTAND WHY NOT ASK ABOUT FORGIVENESS TO THE PEOPLE WHO HAVE COMMITTED.

THERE IS A LITTLE RESPECT. THE PEOPLE WHO HAVE TRUSTED bm.



PEOPLE SAY THERE HAVE PATIENCE. PREFER TO WAIT. HOW LONG? . people who claim to have patience is not trust. and not given their money upfront.

I made the mistake of relying on BM


give a tip. not laugh at a person who does not know

ignorant ...

you do not understand it's not a film camera?. but gives a high quality?

ba ...

people like your delay to the world.

you are like horses blindfolded and following the path that guides the owner

Seriously....just LOL

6D can't even do HD RAW never mind 2K. Also if you have that little money to spend on something why would you spend it on a hacked device voiding warranty? Wouldn't the opposite be the case and that you would spend it on something which had what you wanted natively and was designed from the ground up to do so?

Again ....

not lose the warranty ...

is an update. and they will offer the possibility of returning to the original.

and I repeat ...

I use adobe premiere. the premiere of manufactures is empty. no plugins. plugins are to improve performance.

http://www.magiclantern.fm/

this is not the best in the world. but it is a good option.

6D can't even do HD RAW never mind 2K. Also if you have that little money to spend on something why would you spend it on a hacked device voiding warranty? Wouldn't the opposite be the case and that you would spend it on something which had what you wanted natively and was designed from the ground up to do so?

5d MKIII has 14 stops of Dymanic Range? That comes at a cost of half resolution in the highlights and shadows....

I can understand why you feel angry at BMD for not updating us on why the 4K has gone past its deadline. We all do. And for me why the pocket camera is taking so long to be delivered in the UK apart from a very few.

But why are you saying the canon 6D camera with magic lantern is an option to the 4k when the 4k is 4k with global shutter and not likely to have the moire and aliasing of the 6D The two cameras are just not in the same league. In fact there is nothing to compare to the 4K specs for usability and price.

The canon 5D3 is a good option for 1080p but with a risk and anyway the BMCC is still a lot cheaper and records to SSD cards and is available to buy now.

Again ....

not lose the warranty ...

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You will lose your warranty if the hack causes a physical defect in the camera. You didn't address the fact that a 6D doesn't even do HD RAW though...

I know what magic lantern is. I also think most people on here know what it is given the BMCC captures RAW so there is already a familiarity of what RAW is just as a lot of DSLR enthusiasts have a familiarity with H.264.

Jesus...

This is the funniest thread I have ever seen on this forum.

P.S.

6D = crap... The video from my T2i (that came out more than 3 years ago) looks WAY better than the 6D's jaggy nasty moire filled trash...

LOL,

I read three years of this while we waited on Scarlet. The funny thing is, I bet 95% of the people who are complaining about the BMCC 4K can't actually process a 4K pipeline. Even today, it's still difficult and expensive to do. Monitor in 4k, cut in 4k, and go out in 4k. Not many people do this.

Most will monitor in 1080p, cut in 720p or proxy 1080p, and output either at 1080p. The only people likely to come out at 4k (or 2k) are those delivering DCP for theater projection.

Now if I ask my money back. BLACK MAGIC want to stay 600 euros of the advance.

Again, Blackmagic doesn't take pre-orders directly. They never had your money. The company that you pre-ordered from took your money and it is their policy that is keeping 600 euros from you if I understand what you are trying to say. Don't be blaming Blackmagic for that. They never got a dime from you.

Ugh, no point in trying to explain things to this guy. He doesn't even really understand the technical differences between buzz words like 4K, raw, log, global shutter, etc. This is the kind of guy that is willing to do the car commercials on local TV for $300.

this is my website: http://www.piguarfilms.com/ #! videoclips/c9qb

my works are valued at 950 dollars.
I do it all

I record, edit, effects, etc.

you can do better these videos of 950 dollars?

I am a small company. seek the best for my clients with very cheap prices. but with great quality.


I do not understand why there is such a lack of respect in some comments.


I REPEAT AGAIN THIS CAMERA DOES NOT REPLACE THE BLACK MAGIC 4K.

but it is a very good option. for people like me. people who do not have many resources.

almost all my works are valued at 950 dollars.

I think a lot of quality for a low price.

so I think that the 6d suits people like me

Now if I ask my money back. BLACK MAGIC want to stay 600 euros of the advance.

Again, Blackmagic doesn't take pre-orders directly. They never had your money. The company that you pre-ordered from took your money and it is their policy that is keeping 600 euros from you if I understand what you are trying to say. Don't be blaming Blackmagic for that. They never got a dime from you.

Ugh, no point in trying to explain things to this guy. He doesn't even really understand the technical differences between buzz words like 4K, raw, log, global shutter, etc. This is the kind of guy that is willing to do the car commercials on local TV for $300.

Please refrain from the personal insults folks. I understand the frustration but keep it civil with each other.

LOL,

I read three years of this while we waited on Scarlet. The funny thing is, I bet 95% of the people who are complaining about the BMCC 4K can't actually process a 4K pipeline. Even today, it's still difficult and expensive to do. Monitor in 4k, cut in 4k, and go out in 4k. Not many people do this.

Most will monitor in 1080p, cut in 720p or proxy 1080p, and output either at 1080p. The only people likely to come out at 4k (or 2k) are those delivering DCP for theater projection.

Well that's true, but I think that there are many people like me that don't buy the 4K camera for 4K production. It's a bit odd, but I've preordered the 4K camera because there is no other camera at this price tag that has a Super 35 sensor, a great dynamic range, BM's wonderful color science and records 1080p in a high-quality codec (I doubt if I'll be using RAW regularly, maybe for shorter projects).

I am now in the process of rethinking to get BMCC instead and a super-wide lens to compensate for the sensor size (because I'm sure I will need those wide angle shots). If BMCC had a Super 35 sensor, it would be the perfect camera for me (I mostly do short films and sometimes music videos).

After all, most theater projectors are still 2K. And to my knowledge, DCPs for festival projections are still 2K. I don't plan to make the next blockbuster and don't do much VFX, so why bother with 4K...

Though for many people it's all about the buzz - I do agree.

PS. This thread gave me the chance to write down my thoughts about my dilemma. I think I'm one step closer to buying the BMCC.

Hello Piguar. Where did the preorder? Good to know not to buy at that store.

Don't feed the troll

Here's the thing for me...

The S35 sensor is SO grossly overrated it's not even funny. The ONLY real reasons for it are to have VERY wide shots which most people working on small projects never use, and the shallow DOF, which is the ultimate red herring.

I shot in a small warehouse this past weekend. Perhaps 40ft x 35ft. I used three lenses on my BMCC... a 19-35mm, a 50mm F1.4, and an 85mm F1.4. With the 50 and 85, I was getting DOF in the range of inches. Because I was having to keep light off the walls, my light was very "toppy" and not super bright. Since I needed to be as wide as 19mm, I couldn't play the light very close to the talent to get a stronger ratio. For normal medium shots, we had to pull focus even for a 1ft lean in by an actor. I see ZERO advantage of going S35 there.

As for getting very wide, you must control the space in your lens. Yes, you can put an 11-16mm on an APS-C and get very wide in an office or a bedroom, but you're still going to distort like crazy. Most cinema glass packages start with either a 20 or a 24mm for S35 which is more like a 35mm on full frame. On my BMCC that's in the range of a 14mm lens and those are available EVERYWHERE for rent or purchase.

The BMCC 2.5k, if we are to believe specs, offers another stop of range over the upcoming 4k, so that's another advantage to the cheaper camera. It also offers uncompressed RAW recording which the 4K won't do it looks like. Nice if you're doing plates fof VFX or live keying, or other work.

4K has it's place. But even Hollywood has issues with it. Roger Deakins has passed on it for all his digital films (including Skyfall) because he thinks it doesn't look "natural". It shows too much. We saw the same thing with the Spiderman reboot, as the cinematographer felt that 4K was just too revealing. On gritty films where you want that hard edge, it seems to play well. Elysium, Book of Eli, etc. I am wondering if Wally Pfister will eventually go there instead of shooting IMAX. I had a chance to speak privately with Howard Hall a couple of years ago (google him if you don't know who I am talking about) and he was thrilled to be inline for an Epic rather than have to take IMAX cameras under the water.

I think the 2.5k of the BMCC with the MFT mount is the absolute sweet spot. I am NOT thrilled about the 4K camera with an EF mount. If it had a MFT mount, I'd be THRILLED. If it had a changeable mount to give me Nikon F, PL, or EF, I'd jump in line tomorrow.

Well that's true, but I think that there are many people like me that don't buy the 4K camera for 4K production. It's a bit odd, but I've preordered the 4K camera because there is no other camera at this price tag that has a Super 35 sensor, a great dynamic range, BM's wonderful color science and records 1080p in a high-quality codec (I doubt if I'll be using RAW regularly, maybe for shorter projects).

I am now in the process of rethinking to get BMCC instead and a super-wide lens to compensate for the sensor size (because I'm sure I will need those wide angle shots). If BMCC had a Super 35 sensor, it would be the perfect camera for me (I mostly do short films and sometimes music videos).

After all, most theater projectors are still 2K. And to my knowledge, DCPs for festival projections are still 2K. I don't plan to make the next blockbuster and don't do much VFX, so why bother with 4K...

Though for many people it's all about the buzz - I do agree.

PS. This thread gave me the chance to write down my thoughts about my dilemma. I think I'm one step closer to buying the BMCC.

I am wondering if Wally Pfister will eventually go there instead of shooting IMAX. I had a chance to speak privately with Howard Hall a couple of years ago (google him if you don't know who I am talking about) and he was thrilled to be inline for an Epic rather than have to take IMAX cameras under the water.

Are we talking IMAX or LieMAX?

Wally Pfister will go digital....with a gun pointed to his head

have very little education ...

I'm just a user. I have no urge to fight or fool anyone.

just looking for solutions and I resolved my doubts.

I have everything I bought for my BM. I am no troll.

**** *****

Don't feed the troll

por que dices eso?

Hello Piguar. Where did the preorder? Good to know not to buy at that store.