Any upcoming "BMPCC" camera?

It's passed 9 months after announcement of the 6k pro.
What's gonna be next? When they are planning to announce new camera by your opinion?
It will have the same body style or box style like komodo have?
Does it will have more DR (13 Stops) than 6k pro?
6K or 8K resolution?
It will have better low light performance than 6k pro?
Will it have not only HDMI but also SDI output?
Any predictions will be welcomed, thanks.

Like most other manufacturers, BM is very tight-lipped about future products. Plus, if you know anything you are under NDA until BM does the official announcement.
So, better take the dust off your good old crystal ball and try your own predictions.

I'll second that. Most camera companies leak like a bamboo raft but BMD keep a tight ship. You might get a notice that Grant will be talking some thing up in a day or two but until that video rolls ... nothing.

It’s been discussed ad nauseam, but I hope for the following;

Non DSLR form factor, 14+ stops of DR, full-size XLR inputs, Cfast 2.0 slots x2, 8K sensor, no screen needed, Global Shutter, URSA EVF mountable, ND Filters, Built in CPL filter rotatable, Better Stills ability

And what price are you ready to pay this kind of miracle?
Be cause seems that too much people ask ask but not told about how many money are ready to spent.


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I would feel happy if BMD made a lidar to use across cameras and a simple evf that could be used on the pk4 and other BMD non ursa cameras.

Ricardo Marty

I would feel happy if BMD made a lidar to use across cameras and a simple evf that could be used on the pk4 and other BMD non ursa cameras.

Ricardo Marty

among many other things, these are two I wish BMD can add to extend the life of current cameras.

I’d pay around the $6k AUD mark

I'd guess first a new URSA Mini Pro, followed by a new URSA Micro. Then a new Pocket will follow after.

In general the way the announcements have gone.

URSA Mini 4.6K announced April 2015 and released March 2016.
URSA Mini Pro announced and released March 2017.
Pocket 4K announced April 2018, and released late summer 2018.
URSA Mini Pro G2 announced and released March 2019.
Pocket 6K announced and released August 2019.
URSA Mini Pro 12K announced and released July 2020.
Pocket 6K Pro announced and released February 2021.

Looking at this cycle you can understand the certainty that the URSA Mini is next. And, above all else the range is anywhere from 1-2 years for URSA Mini announcements. The Pockets have had close to 1.5 years in between announced updates.

I will also note that April 16th, 2022 marks the 10-Year Anniversary of the Blackmagic Cinema Camera Announcement: https://www.blackmagicdesign.com/media/ ... 0120416-08

Thus, I would bet to commemorate that occasion there will be a major announcement of new products bringing all the Blackmagic Cinema Cameras into a single family line or something similar.

Hopefully an 8k model is next, maybe RF mount?

Also, most of the other similarly priced Cinema Cameras include Continuous Autofocus, and I hope this feature is added. FX3, C70, Ronin 4D are having me consider investing more for that alone when shooting at 1.4-2.8

It would be nice to have back original pocket OG with m4/3 Fairchild sensor with better lcd and BRAW in 2K.
plain and simple as it was in in same small size factor.

No need for ProRes
No need for audio improvements
No need for continuous focusing
No need for IBIS
No need for AWB
No need for 4k
No need for 6k
No need for 8k
No need for 12k

CINEMA STYLE M4/3 SENSOR,(not Sony) 2k BRAW AND SMALL SIZE FACTOR
Anyone with me here?

It would be nice to have back original pocket OG with m4/3 Fairchild sensor with better lcd and BRAW in 2K.
plain and simple as it was in in same small size factor.

No need for ProRes
No need for audio improvements
No need for continuous focusing
No need for IBIS
No need for AWB
No need for 4k
No need for 6k
No need for 8k
No need for 12k

CINEMA STYLE M4/3 SENSOR,(not Sony) 2k BRAW AND SMALL SIZE FACTOR
Anyone with me here?

I'm with you on this. I love my Pocket 4Ks, but it's unfortunate that they took the pocket name for something this size. I would have preferred for the Pocket 4k to have been the updated cinema line and leave the pocket name for a smaller body style with fewer features.

I love the feature to price point of the Cinema/micro/pocket lines, but I would like them to be three separate lines with an upgrade every few years.

It would be nice to have back original pocket OG with m4/3 Fairchild sensor with better lcd and BRAW in 2K.
plain and simple as it was in in same small size factor.

No need for ProRes
No need for audio improvements
No need for continuous focusing
No need for IBIS
No need for AWB
No need for 4k
No need for 6k
No need for 8k
No need for 12k

CINEMA STYLE M4/3 SENSOR,(not Sony) 2k BRAW AND SMALL SIZE FACTOR
Anyone with me here?

+1

It would be nice to have back original pocket OG with m4/3 Fairchild sensor with better lcd and BRAW in 2K.
plain and simple as it was in in same small size factor.

No need for ProRes
No need for audio improvements
No need for continuous focusing
No need for IBIS
No need for AWB
No need for 4k
No need for 6k
No need for 8k
No need for 12k

CINEMA STYLE M4/3 SENSOR,(not Sony) 2k BRAW AND SMALL SIZE FACTOR
Anyone with me here?

+1 here with a few modifications to the list.

Instead of 2K, make that 2.8K or the 2.5K BMCC sensor.
Box form factor with lots of mounting points.
SDI and 2x mini-XLR.
Just a small OLED display for menu and preview.
USB Type C so we can optionally use external SSD drives or external power & charger.

In general the way the announcements have gone.

URSA Mini 4.6K announced April 2015 and released March 2016.
URSA Mini Pro announced and released March 2017.
Pocket 4K announced April 2018, and released late summer 2018.
URSA Mini Pro G2 announced and released March 2019.
Pocket 6K announced and released August 2019.
URSA Mini Pro 12K announced and released July 2020.
Pocket 6K Pro announced and released February 2021.

I will also note that April 16th, 2022 marks the 10-Year Anniversary of the Blackmagic Cinema Camera Announcement: https://www.blackmagicdesign.com/media/ ... 0120416-08
.

Thanks for this info. I guess they will announce new cameras in the day of their 10-Year Anniversary.

Blackmagic should fix the problems and add new features to BMPCC4K and 6K before a new cam.

They should fix the problem of the BMPCC 6K and 6K Pro not being able to record BRAW 3.1 at 6K on approved media. 514 MB/sec. is needed at 50 fps constant bitrate. Maybe support for CFExpress?

As far as BMD is concern, the BMPCC 4K, 6K, and URSA Mini Pro 4.6K G2 is obsolete and out the door so any firmware requests are likely wishful thinking. Once they come out with a new camera, the BMPCC 6K and URSA Mini Pro 12K will be next and firmware upgrades will likely cease to exist. There is a pattern to this madness so don’t hold your breath.

Blackmagic should fix the problems and add new features to BMPCC4K and 6K before a new cam.

+1

As far as BMD is concern, the BMPCC 4K, 6K, and URSA Mini Pro 4.6K G2 is obsolete and out the door so any firmware requests are likely wishful thinking. Once they come out with a new camera, the BMPCC 6K and URSA Mini Pro 12K will be next and firmware upgrades will likely cease to exist. There is a pattern to this madness so don’t hold your breath.

They made obsolete the BMPCC4K with the broken firmware. And this is a fact that in the future they will repeat the same procedure with your new BM camera.

So it's better try to revert this Blackmagic behavior today.

Even, they are advertising these cameras today:
https://www.blackmagicdesign.com/produc ... nemacamera

IBC is on in Amsterdam from the 3rd to the 6th December.

I'm wondering if there will be any announcements there.

I keep expecting something new in the cinema camera family such as an 8K box camera. Until then I’m happy with the BMPCC4K that has impressive functionality at firmware 7.3 (but introduced that weaker focus assist). Still very useful though overall.

Hi.
My wishes for the next BMPCC:
No need to go high on resolution 4-6k.
Fullframe
Built in ND
Sony E mount. ( And another vers can be canon RF)
Another form fractor of the camera it self. The BMPCC is a little bit to wide.

Why fullframe and short flange distance:
You can use adopter to use other linses like canon EF and PL.
( I would love to use my new Sirui 1.6 anamorphic on a Blackmagic camera )

Seperat produkt to go with new and old cameras.
LIDAR system like the one on DJI 4D for autofocus lenses
Follow focus for manual lenses that can work with the lidar also like the DJI 4D.
I love the top view of the lidar that they have on the DJI

IBC is on in Amsterdam from the 3rd to the 6th December.

I'm wondering if there will be any announcements there.

Blackmagic Design has announced they will not be attending IBC this year.

Sony E mount. ( And another vers can be canon RF)

Neither can be done, due to licensing issues. Maybe L-mount.

Sony E mount. ( And another vers can be canon RF)

Neither can be done, due to licensing issues. Maybe L-mount.

The DJI 4D has a sony E mount, Do they license that? Maybe Blackmagic can do the same

I’d just love something with that Fairchild look again. I’ve resorted to carrying around the Blackmagic Production 4K, because despite of it’s awful weight, it gives me a 4K version of that original pocket look. Every time I shoot with my BMPCC4K, I think “Oh my God, this is a dream to use! Too bad the footage always looks flat and unexciting.”

I’d just love something with that Fairchild look again. I’ve resorted to carrying around the Blackmagic Production 4K, because despite of it’s awful weight, it gives me a 4K version of that original pocket look. Every time I shoot with my BMPCC4K, I think “Oh my God, this is a dream to use! Too bad the footage always looks flat and unexciting.”

+ 100

I would like a pk4 pro but in the Ursa form facto {or somethig like it}. Like a mini, mini ursa.

Ricardo Marty

I’d just love something with that Fairchild look again. I’ve resorted to carrying around the Blackmagic Production 4K, because despite of it’s awful weight, it gives me a 4K version of that original pocket look.

The Production Camera, Big Ursa, and UM4k all used a version of the CMV12000 sensor from Cmosis. Fairchild sensors were used on the BMCC, OG Pocket, Micro Cinema, and the 3 iterations of UM46.

Good Luck

No manufacturer today can ignore the the ease of use improvements (e.g, IBIS) and shooter conveniences (e.g., continuous AF) which are becoming standard at these prices. And the resolution game is already lost. You can't sell cameras without big numbers, nonsensical as those numbers may be.

This yearning for the BMPCC and the wonders of the Fairchild sensor is strange -- have you guys actually attempted to match the BMPCC 4K to the BMPCC, in post? It's not difficult. Soften and grain-up the BMPCC 4K image a bit, and there you are. "Degrade" is the right word here, but that will offend too many people.... There is no magic, only data and post-production.

I would say the pocket cameras need AF more than the Ursas do. The pockets are more likely to be used by smaller crews, be flown on gimbals, and have smaller monitors attached. Where as the Usras are more likley to have a 1AC, big on board monitors or remote monitors, are more likley to be used with with sticks or some thing like a dolly where it is a little more practical to manually pull focus etc.

They made the pocket cameras that god aweful form factor to chase the hybrid market but that market is under going rapid changes. For sure my 6K still does every thing I bought it to do, but if I was in the market right now the pockets aren't as compelling of a proposition as they were a few years ago. Maybe AF isn't their next move maybe faster read out or DR is. But they can't stand still while every one else is dropping prices and adding features.

Second that. Now that they have serious competition by cameras with excellent AF which can record 4:2:2 in 10 bit, that market has changed.

BMD cameras are unique in its work flow, I don't think they ll ever loose the edge as you are buying into
a complete editing / colour grading / raw system that at its price point has no equal.
There is always room for improvement but this company really created revolution with BMCC/BMPCC cameras
along with free license of Resolve.

When it comes to narrative filmmaking and now lately with commercial type of work they are impossible to beat
as whole system for the money.

They approach this the right way IMO as they realise that it is only if they expand and create market by giving away Resolve and affordable RAW cameras new generation filmmakers and content producers will catch up with
the workflow and become customers.

This is now happening and Worldwide BMD has created unique market and filmmakers are getting lot more skilled and educated in RAW arena.
Then they introduced the BRAW another game changer and now with Apple M1,M1PRO/MAX anyone can be a filmmaker grading and cutting footage on the go.

There is no more excuses to blame cameras or NLE work flow and pixels peeping .
It comes down to a skill and talent.

Sony sensors are different to original cameras and most people notice difference and BMCC 4K was also while not same Fairchild sensor had unique colour science and look different to bmpcc4K/6K.

IBC is on in Amsterdam from the 3rd to the 6th December...

IBC 2021 has been cancelled due to the resurgence of the pandemic.

who after all uses bluetooth for something useful

I am using Bluetooth all the time to start and stop (etc.) multiple Pocket 6Ks with a single button on my phone.

A new Pocket 6K with RF mount would be useful.

The recent drop in price of the URSA 12K to $5,995 has opened up a gap in their product list for a camera around the $10,000 price point. Otherwise they will have be competing with themselves!

And even though I´m personally not bothered about auto-focus, I think they´ll have a go at trying to nail an auto-focus camera. Perhaps they did a technology knowledge swap with Panasonic when letting them use BRAW recording?

[*]An 8K camera with Panasonic tech autofucus
[*]Still using rolling shutter (as using global shutter can lower the dynamic range)
[*]So with rolling shutter, 16+ stops of dynamic range
[*]Box format with 3" (10cm) screen
[*]Same swapable mount system like the URSA´s (EF, PL, B4, F, maybe a new L mount option)

I hope they add AF even computational AF including tracking. but only for the af factor and nothing else. Sony and other manufacturers are bringing out systems like that.


Ricardo Marty

P.S> that can be turned off.

I'll take a 4k version of the Blackmagic Micro Cinema Camera or a version of the Blackmagic Micro Studio 4k that can record. We need a new version of these cameras.

I'll take a 4k version of the Blackmagic Micro Cinema Camera or a version of the Blackmagic Micro Studio 4k that can record. We need a new version of these cameras.

I second this. Something that follows the approach of the BGH1: a low/mid-range modular cinema camera that can be used for a remote studio setup and is easily and affordably able to be adapted to any number of shooting situations.

I'd also love to see an implementation of 12K's symmetrical sensor on a smaller/more affordable modular body. The applications for that technology are pretty exciting, and having them limited to a full-sized cinema body is a shame.

BMPCC 6K pro II

Sony E mount, Canon RF mount, PL mount
Full Frame sensor
Better battery
Additional usb-c
SDI

All I want is the following...

Komodo style body with small screen (like the Komodo) just to change basic settings
6k Sensor S35 or FF
Full size HDMI and XLR ports
Prores and Braw up to 6k 60/4k 120
M.2 SSD Slot to record to with a port to plug into the computer to transfer.
Canon EF mount
NPF battery slot or even better 2 of them with quick swap

Not bothered about AF
Not bothered about IBIS
Not bothered about 8k/12k etc

BMPCC 6K pro II

Sony E mount, Canon RF mount, PL mount

You will never see Sony E mount on a body that isn't built by Sony.

The same for Canon RF. RED have a special pass because they likely did an IP swap to record internal RAW. Likely it's only going to be for Komodo.

Full Frame sensor

Expensive to do well at the moment.

Better battery

Could be said about most cameras.

Additional usb-c

Why? Unless you DOUBLE the internal bandwidth it just chokes everything up.

SDI

Most in this price bracket don't like SDI...

JB

Komodo style body with small screen (like the Komodo) just to change basic settings

That screen sucks. It REALLY sucks. A lot of people feel this way, myself included having used it for a while. It's #fine as a touchscreen menu, but no way could you really operate using that screen. I often operate Pocket and Ursa cameras using the built in screen. You can't do that with the way the Komodo screen is positioned and the faulty that it has.

JB

I'll take a 4k version of the Blackmagic Micro Cinema Camera or a version of the Blackmagic Micro Studio 4k that can record. We need a new version of these cameras.

I second this. Something that follows the approach of the BGH1: a low/mid-range modular cinema camera that can be used for a remote studio setup and is easily and affordably able to be adapted to any number of shooting situations.

I'm wondering WHY the BHG1 isn't everywhere ? It's basically everything that the box lovers want....Or Z cam for that matter who make most everything else that the box cam lovers want. They should be really cleaning up. I've yet to see either on sets anywhere.

I think it shows that the BOX mentality is the minority of what most users want in this style camera.

It definitely has it's place, but as the default form factor, it's not what's desired.

I love the micro. I use them all the time even to this day. I own a Z cam and do not use it because it's not a great camera for many reasons.

I do wish there was a 4K version of the micro that had better media options. A larger sensor makes the camera too big in my view.

JB

Why should it be considered a box camera, when it can be considered a camera on what you can reposition the handle, or take it away if not needed?

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(this is just a dream of a new box shaped camera with handle)

I'm not against a box for certain situations. But for hand held I don't think this is the best shape.

The screen is too small to operate with.

I think it would also be very unbalanced. The weight of the lens will make this very front heavy, and you haven't put the matte box or a remote focus motor on there yet

If it was a GOOD AF and used photo lenses, maybe.....

JB

I'd love to see an update to the original BMPCC. I loved that camera. I never saw the BMPCC4K/6K as an update to the BMPCC to me; more like an update to the BMCC 2.5K. Problem is an update to that probably isn't feasible, but man the actual pocket cinema camera was awesome!

I'd love to see an update to the original BMPCC. I loved that camera. I never saw the BMPCC4K/6K as an update to the BMPCC to me; more like an update to the BMCC 2.5K. Problem is an update to that probably isn't feasible, but man the actual pocket cinema camera was awesome!

Agree. It was a winner to have a small camera shooting ProRes AND RAW. Funny even today, no one else has matched that yet.

I think the major barrier to keeping it that size is the sensor size. No one wants a super 16 or even MFT sized sensor.

I personally think the original pocket, updated for MFT size, better touch screen would scream.

JB

That screen sucks. It REALLY sucks. A lot of people feel this way, myself included having used it for a while. It's #fine as a touchscreen menu, but no way could you really operate using that screen. I often operate Pocket and Ursa cameras using the built in screen. You can't do that with the way the Komodo screen is positioned and the faulty that it has.

JB

I concur. I owned the Komodo for a while and hated it. That little tiny screen is useless, even for changing settings, because it's on top and not on the side like Raptor. Also, you MUST rig it with an EVF or monitor, and the rig is awkward. I tried using the viper gears Hassleblad prism finder adapter, and that was good, except that when you enable prism mode on the screen, you no longer are able to use the touch functionality and unable to adjust a lot of the settings. So you need to use the RED Control APP on the iPhone, which never connected on my brand new iPhone 13 Pro Max. It's a clunky rig. I was so happy the day I sold my Komodo.

The Pocket 6K Pro is the most perfect form factor, I would always grab it over the Komodo. The camera is near perfect, only need faster sensor read out and it will of down in history as one of the great cameras of all time alongside the Arriflex 35III. Haha. Ok, maybe not, but I love the Pocket 6K Pro. Little workhorse beast.

No one wants a super 16 or even MFT sized sensor.

Yea... how about using a super16 sensor like what is cropped in the 12K. A super16 6K pocket. And might as well give it a MFT mount as well. (then I can attach MFT, EF and PL lenses)