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Re: The future aspect ratio

PostPosted: Fri Aug 12, 2022 6:47 am
by timbutt2
My response to Vertical Video:



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Re: The future aspect ratio

PostPosted: Fri Aug 12, 2022 7:28 am
by Ellory Yu
Love it Tim! I’m with you on this. Hopefully we’re not going to be dated. :lol:

Re: The future aspect ratio

PostPosted: Fri Aug 12, 2022 8:10 am
by Uli Plank
Wonderful! Thank you.

Re: The future aspect ratio

PostPosted: Fri Aug 12, 2022 8:45 am
by codedeltajames
Kim Janson wrote:And anyway the URSA Broadcast G2 is a bit difficult camera to rotate 90 degrees.


Probably easier than some of the normal broadcast cameras - https://www.dfl.de/en/news/dfl-tests-wo ... 16-format/

Re: The future aspect ratio

PostPosted: Fri Aug 12, 2022 11:51 am
by Jeffrey D Mathias
well vertical aspect certainly has place in the world of art... I even found most of my platinum/palladium photographic prints were vertical aspect. Just because displays have not gone vertical (except for phones) does not rule it out as to usefulness in presentation. Maybe theaters kept to horizontal in order to accommodate a larger (spread horizontally to keep closer) audience. Also as to displays there are many now used vertically for advertising in public places... maybe because they seem to attract attention better... or maybe because they just fit better... or maybe because the vertical aspect attracts attention to the product better... or maybe because that image as a whole just feels right.

In any event I certainly find nothing wrong with using an aspect which the artist best feels best delivers their message. And yes, vertical aspect has had it's share of novelty "misuses", but so does any other aspect.

I even did a shoot where the director desired to have vertical with the URSA 12K at a rolled 90. And he really appreciated when I suggested to rotate the DIT monitor 90 degrees and to do the same when editing.

Re: The future aspect ratio

PostPosted: Sat Aug 13, 2022 1:09 pm
by Matt White
timbutt2 wrote:My response to Vertical Video:



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:D

Re: The future aspect ratio

PostPosted: Sun Aug 14, 2022 9:37 am
by Charles Bennett
Brilliant!

Re: The future aspect ratio

PostPosted: Sun Aug 14, 2022 2:05 pm
by Alex=Alex
Just because something isn't common now, you shouldn't rule out it in the future.
But aside from that, the arguments in the video have no real substance about vertical video in todays landscape.
I'm going to state the obvious: movies (currently) should not be vertical, and this is already well stated in the video. But the issue is OP wasn't talking about film, and the idea that vertical cant be cinematic is just completely wrong. (
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You also need to think about the landscape of how people are consuming video entertainment. Tiktok is completely vertical, and while you don't see any movies on the platform, it is still more popular than almost every other video medium currently.

Last thing i will say is that the entertainment industry is changing rapidly. To dismiss vertical video as something that will never happen is just not very open minded. People said the same thing about digital cameras, and then they became more popular and better than film cameras, so you shouldn't say that just because our current landscape isn't accepting of vertical cinema, doesn't mean that one day it will.

Re: The future aspect ratio

PostPosted: Sun Aug 14, 2022 2:27 pm
by John Paines
The use of non-standard aspects ratios is not new, and there are feature films with multiple aspect ratios, both vertical and horizontal. In one case a character actually opens up a highly restricted vertical frame, like a closet door, for dramatic effect.

But how much mileage there is in aspect ratios far more restricted than normal eye sight remains to be seen. Here's guessing, not much, if there's not compelling reason for it.

Meanwhile, when you see people taking pictures of landscapes or all 17 of their friends with their phones in vertical positions, you kinda want to make it a crime.

Re: The future aspect ratio

PostPosted: Sun Aug 14, 2022 2:58 pm
by rick.lang
It’s use in TikTok certainly can be considered appropriate since the viewing devices are also always used vertically except when we want to watch a 16:9 video.

The closet door analogy fits my reaction to the cinematic use of the vertical aspect ratio. So it could well be used effectively if it suits the purpose of the film. For example, Das Boot might be very effective edited as a 9:16 vertical shot as I understand the passageway was very narrow. Or a psychological thriller about a child living under the stairs or in a closet (also real unfortunately). Vive la difference.

But those thematically appropriate uses would not make it a standard for most widescreen cinema that audiences respond to with enthusiasm. Probably would make for a challenging film school exercise to explore various aspect ratios that can be used successfully.

Re: The future aspect ratio

PostPosted: Sun Aug 14, 2022 3:43 pm
by Richard Knight
Any wide group shot would force the sound boom out. (Ex boom op)

Re: The future aspect ratio

PostPosted: Sun Aug 14, 2022 6:03 pm
by Uli Plank
But since our eyes are arranged horizontally, what about a cinema where you are lying on your side?

Re: The future aspect ratio

PostPosted: Fri Aug 19, 2022 11:18 am
by wemrick1
It's what you get when you have wide spread cell phone addiction coupled with an ADD pandemic both fueled by self induced boredom.

Re: The future aspect ratio

PostPosted: Wed Aug 24, 2022 12:25 am
by dnbarg
Something I’ve noticed as I’ve been pushed into some vertical content is that it’s a very individual medium. You can’t put two people in a shot without creating absurd head and foot room, and almost inappropriate distance. I continue to argue on my team that it’s an anti-community format (the antithesis of our org). Yes, I’m exaggerating a bit, but I think it bears some reflection.

Re: The future aspect ratio

PostPosted: Wed Aug 24, 2022 8:08 am
by Uli Plank
Is this really induced by gaming? I see most kids around here gaming in horizontal orientation.

Re: The future aspect ratio

PostPosted: Wed Aug 24, 2022 9:39 am
by Hardy-
dnbarg wrote:I continue to argue on my team that it’s an anti-community format ...

I agree. The portrait format is an ego format.

It makes sense that the term includes the word "portrait" in singular.

Even though all those vertical singles together side by side on a web page may appear like a community of individual cells. But every cell remains isolated by a frame; they never really touch each other.

The most isolated cell is a vertical video on YouTube. Two thick walls left and right. Like a jail in The Tower of London. No community. Just one hole.

Re: The future aspect ratio

PostPosted: Wed Aug 24, 2022 10:01 am
by codedeltajames
Uli Plank wrote:Is this really induced by gaming? I see most kids around here gaming in horizontal orientation.


Nothing to do with gaming, everything to do with people being bored and having an internet connected device in their pocket, having time to waste and being desperate for the dopamine hits from sharing something that's popular (even if that's popular for 15s and never re-watched). These viewers don't have time to turn their phone around to watch proper content, they just want something that will make them laugh or smile for a few seconds at a time.

Google haven't added Shorts to YouTube because they think it's the future of high quality content, they've added it to try and keep people on their platform and away from the likes of TikTok by leveraging their existing content creators.

Re: The future aspect ratio

PostPosted: Wed Aug 24, 2022 10:21 am
by Hardy-
Exactly.

And: The shorter the Shorts, the more occasions for YouTube to show adverts between videos.

Re: The future aspect ratio

PostPosted: Wed Aug 24, 2022 8:39 pm
by lost_soul
The world would be so much better if progress had ended with the original Motorolla flip phone. This thread breaks my heart. :cry:

The future aspect ratio

PostPosted: Wed Aug 24, 2022 9:02 pm
by rick.lang
“Don’t give up” as the song goes. There is life that doesn’t include TikTok and Shorts and doesn’t rely on the vagaries of social media. “Be true to yourself” as Polonius advised, paraphrasing. And certainly don’t envy those whose media flame burns brightest (sincerely don’t, because there’s a mounting history of sad endings to many of them trapped in an unsustainable lifestyle).

Re: The future aspect ratio

PostPosted: Thu Aug 25, 2022 1:37 pm
by rick.lang
And here’s the antidote coming September 21, 2022. Hope the link works for you. Andor totally unlike recent Star Wars sagas:

https://apple.news/ASY4xCEJkRKyHoT3a-ujNKw

The future aspect ratio

PostPosted: Fri Aug 26, 2022 12:02 am
by rick.lang
It’s sensitive to the kinds of topics and articles you tend to follow. You can force it to ignore some categories but not all categories which seems strange. Still shows me a lot I am not interested in seeing. Not too bad.

EVRI was by far my favourite app for reading only articles from sources I wanted, but sadly Paul Allen (Microsoft co-founder) abandoned it. It was perhaps ahead of its time.

Apologies for being off-topic.

Re: The future aspect ratio

PostPosted: Fri Aug 26, 2022 9:42 am
by Mark Foster
shorts are the worst thing youtube has introduced!

Re: The future aspect ratio

PostPosted: Fri Aug 26, 2022 10:05 am
by codedeltajames
Kim Janson wrote:YouTube does not seem to quite know yet what to do with it.


Oh, they really do - keep people away from TikTok. TikTok is a threat to Google, Google are far more concerned about threats than opportunities. Shorts are not an opportunity to offer something new to attract a wider audience, it's an attempt to prevent their existing casual viewer base from going elsewhere.

Re: The future aspect ratio

PostPosted: Fri Aug 26, 2022 12:03 pm
by Jeffrey D Mathias
Kim Janson wrote:The YouTube Shorts could be interesting News service,...


I sure hope not.
There is a thing called journalism.
And, there are even schools to properly teach or train it.
Reporting the news is not a simple thing.
There are many self-proclaimed news services that don't know $#!+.
Integrity, reliability and dedication are required of journalism.
I guess "could" could be a key word in that statement.
Anyone with a phone shooting vertical video could be a Pulitzer recipient.