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Posted: **Fri Sep 09, 2022 11:28 am**

My granddaughter is getting married next year and she has asked if I would do video of her wedding. This doesn't have to be an MGM production but I would like to give her something nice. Through the years I have not been too much into weddings and really have no idea where to start. I've noted tons of talking heads on youtube talking about the subject but, well, we all know what a quagmire that can be. I'm hoping for some hints, links, etc. that I can use to start putting together a plan.

Posted: **Fri Sep 09, 2022 1:35 pm**

If I were you, I would split this up into (at least) three sections to begin with:

1. How professional do you want it to be?
2. How much do you want to experience the wedding yourself?
3. Hardware and cost

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I wouldn't want to do this for one of my sons on my own, as I would more or less miss the complete wedding. That's why people get paid quite well to do it for you.

But then there is the way of getting as much footage as possible and hope for the best. This could be done by dropping GoPros everywhere for everyone to use and asking the guests to use them instead of their phones.
They will shoot anyway. I'm sure you will get quite some amount of footage and there will definitely be some goodies. In addition you do some proper shots with something better, don't forget to keep changing batteries. This could leave you some room to get the experience yourself.

Sound is huge problem, too. Wedding dresses are expensive and you don't want to put any mic visible on it. Lavs on the bra might not work nicely as the cloth of the wedding dress is often quite thick (rubbing noise). As there will not be any boom operator, you need a different approach. A quick solution could be in-ear microphones (like from dpa). They are expensive but of very high quality by all means. It is literally "what you hear is what you get" and keeps everything quite simple as long as you do not breathe hard or get emotional yourself. Take the ones for high sound pressure to avoid clipping if someone shouts next to your ears and yes, you will still hear everything.
https://www.dpamicrophones.com/immersiv ... microphone

Some things could be shot easily, like the preparations and the like. But don't expect anyone to pose for you or to get any help (I could imagine my wife staring at me as if I would be an alien from outer space if I would ask..).

Fixed installations do not work I guess, as the action is always somewhere else and there is no chance to get the framing nicely.

These are just some quick thoughts I have.
But anyway, it would be a great gift (and an honour).

Posted: **Fri Sep 09, 2022 3:09 pm**

Walter, I believe you are capable of recording your granddaughter's wedding. If it was me and I really want to give her something that will be an event keepsake that was gifted from me, I wouldn't do it myself. The cost of doing it myself (including the value of my time and missing partaking in the event), I will calculate it and just use that money to pay for a pro who is in the business of shooting weddings to do the job. My 2 cents.

Posted: **Fri Sep 09, 2022 3:15 pm**

This is your granddaughter.

Wouldn't you rather attend your granddaughters wedding instead of going to work at it?

I say this from experience. I was asked to shoot my friends wedding and it was only after I finished I realised that I didn't really get to see my friend get married because I was in "work" mode.

Only do this if you are happy to not be "family" on this day....I'm sure your grand daughter doesn't realise what it means to not have you there as a grand father.

JB

Posted: **Fri Sep 09, 2022 3:51 pm**

What state are you in? (location)
I've done many weddings on BMD gear!

Posted: **Fri Sep 09, 2022 7:07 pm**

Thank you everyone for the responses so far. I see one common "thread" in the responses, being attend don't work the wedding. I'm an odd old fart. I'd much rather "work" the wedding than "attend". I'm not good at or happy being a spectator. I have no active role in this wedding. If I were the father, best man, etc. it would be a different story. I would truly like to give her a gift from me other than me just spending money. I believe this to be her feelings as well and most likely why she asked me to do this.

I've only shot one wedding in the past. It was fair. Definetely better than cell phone captures. I wish I had more experience under my belt. Good point on micing the wedding dress. I have two Rode go's and one tascam lav I was hoping to use on the bride, groom, and minister. I guess maybe a studio mic on a boom from behind might not be too obtrusive. I have a couple of NT1's that would do a fine job of making the capture.

I could set two cameras to the sides of the crowd and get clear shots of the cermony but I'm worried about not having long enough lenses with my BM arsenal. I might have to resort to Panasonic camcorders which are sharp but lacking the BM look being H.265.

I could come up the center isle with the UMB. Having it set low on a tripod would probably be good to enhance the trilogy's stature as well as stay out of the audiances way. I really don't want to get into littering the center stage with gopros.

I guess I could bow out and just hire someone if the whole task becomes too overwhelming. We have a 1200 mile drive to get to the wedding and equipment hauling is a consideration as well. Once I have a handle on what I can reasonably do, I can talk that over with my granddaughter and get her thoughts.

Sorry, I'm rambling thoughts as much as anything else here.

Posted: **Fri Sep 09, 2022 7:08 pm**

Adam Langdon wrote:What state are you in? (location)
I've done many weddings on BMD gear!

Sorry, missed your question. I'm in Michigan. The wedding is in very rural Colorado.

Posted: **Fri Sep 09, 2022 10:33 pm**

Talking with your daughter is very important. It’s her day and pretty much just follow her lead. I don’t think she’s looking for a multicam shoot with pristine audio. You must be unobtrusive and stay away from the action as she deserves to be the only centre of attraction, so ditch any thought of a boom mic.

It sounds to me like you’re overdoing it already. Think more about the scenes to be captured and not a bunch of action cams.

If you can do complete site visits beforehand so you’ll be prepared and know the lighting. You can work out what additional practical lights the venues may provide so make fast friends with them and they will be happy to help you. Arrange where you can have the camera on mains power and bring lots of battery power too.

I’m assuming you’ll only be shooting on the wedding day so no lengthy action posing amoung the sequoias or family interviews at the nearest rural Colorado beach.

The big day can begin at the hairdresser’s with the principals getting coiffed as they chat away.

Then you might catch the bride and groom (separately) talking while getting dressed (separately) for the wedding.

Then there’s the actual daytime ceremony, including the entrance of the bridal party, the ceremony (a lavalier worn by the person conducting the ceremony if they agree to that), and their exit, hopefully not in a gondola at Aspen.

Then there’s the traditional wedding party photography on the lawn or in the flower gardens which you can video if she wants but may not be necessary.

Then you have the evening reception and the interminable toasts and speeches as dinner is served. Catch the cutting of the cake!

If you’re still awake, capture the traditional reception dances such as the bride with her father and perhaps the groom with his mother.

And finally the departure of the bride and groom in their limo unless you fall asleep after the dinner dance.

She may want all these things in the video or she may skip many of them. It’s a very long day potentially so wrangling one camera and shotgun mic will keep you busy. Always be unobtrusive though unlike those wedding photographers (stills) who always seem to be in your face and ruin your best shots!

It’s a tense and exhausting day… for you and the bride. But she’ll be beautiful and you’ll be amazing throughout.

Posted: **Sat Sep 10, 2022 12:29 am**

rick.lang wrote:Talking with your daughter is very important. It’s her day and pretty much just follow her lead. I don’t think she’s looking for a multicam shoot with pristine audio. You must be unobtrusive and stay away from the action as she deserves to be the only centre of attraction, so ditch any thought of a boom mic.

It sounds to me like you’re overdoing it already. Think more about the scenes to be captured and not a bunch of action cams.

If you can do complete site visits beforehand so you’ll be prepared and know the lighting. You can work out what additional practical lights the venues may provide so make fast friends with them and they will be happy to help you. Arrange where you can have the camera on mains power and bring lots of battery power too.

I’m assuming you’ll only be shooting on the wedding day so no lengthy action posing amoung the sequoias or family interviews at the nearest rural Colorado beach.

The big day can begin at the hairdresser’s with the principals getting coiffed as they chat away.

Then you might catch the bride and groom (separately) talking while getting dressed (separately) for the wedding.

Then there’s the actual daytime ceremony, including the entrance of the bridal party, the ceremony (a lavalier worn by the person conducting the ceremony if they agree to that), and their exit, hopefully not in a gondola at Aspen.

Then there’s the traditional wedding party photography on the lawn or in the flower gardens which you can video if she wants but may not be necessary.

Then you have the evening reception and the interminable toasts and speeches as dinner is served. Catch the cutting of the cake!

If you’re still awake, capture the traditional reception dances such as the bride with her father and perhaps the groom with his mother.

And finally the departure of the bride and groom in their limo unless you fall asleep after the dinner dance.

She may want all these things in the video or she may skip many of them. It’s a very long day potentially so wrangling one camera and shotgun mic will keep you busy. Always be unobtrusive though unlike those wedding photographers (stills) who always seem to be in your face and ruin your best shots!

It’s a tense and exhausting day… for you and the bride. But she’ll be beautiful and you’ll be amazing throughout.

Rick,

I’m in my recliner laughing out loud. You already know me well my friend. After dinner it truly should be nap time, and may be. Quite possible. Excellent run down of the precedence. No boom, one lav, got it. I’m hoping my ex wife will do stills. She worked as a pro photographer for a good while. Yes, she will be in everybody’s face but I’m used to that and good at ignoring it. She does great work regardless. I’m good at being a fly on the wall so being unobtrusive will come naturally. I am really stuck on the three camera thing though for the ceremony. One off center from the back, wide and two tight of the bride and groom to catch expressions. If I can snag a second operator for the ceremony, it should be fairly simple. I’m also thinking about setting two small diaphragm carts, x/y at the rear camera for crowd. Tentacle sync is my friend. I’m looking at the ceremony mostly in documentary style and using b roll and reception for cine content and spice.

Having said all that, i agree, first conversation with Ralph (my given nick name for granddaughter). From her, I’m Bob.

Posted: **Sat Sep 10, 2022 12:41 am**

Certainly much easier if you have an assistant. Great your wife is doing photos. It’ll be fine.

Posted: **Sat Sep 10, 2022 8:04 am**

This conversation is highly interesting not only for technical but for cultural reasons as well.
Maybe we are a little undercooled here, but a wedding ceremony like you pictured Rick, I have only seen in movies.
I'm in Berlin, Germany and the weddings I attended went completely different: A limo - simply speaking, there would be almost no place to park or drive with it. Our cities are packed. Usually everyone comes with his own car, even the bride. We are often driving in a "train" and honking like h...The wedding ceremony usually is at the office of a states attorney or official (including all the paperwork and signing) and there could be - not the rule and not necessary - a second one at a church. The rest is more or less like a party, where hopefully everyone is having fun. A real wedding cake, like you stated, I have never seen except in movies.
My own wedding took place on a (tiny) ship running up and down the channels here in Berlin, which we have quite a lot of. My wife an me were "the band" for the opening dance and the ones who like it a little less noisy were sitting on deck enjoying the sights of Berlin.

But anyway, it sounds interesting (maybe intriguing?) and I'm interested to read, how this is working out and what actually will happen.

All the best.

Posted: **Sat Sep 10, 2022 12:09 pm**

kontrakatze wrote:This conversation is highly interesting not only for technical but for cultural reasons as well.
Maybe we are a little undercooled here, but a wedding ceremony like you pictured Rick, I have only seen in movies.
I'm in Berlin, Germany and the weddings I attended went completely different: A limo - simply speaking, there would be almost no place to park or drive with it. Our cities are packed. Usually everyone comes with his own car, even the bride. We are often driving in a "train" and honking like h...The wedding ceremony usually is at the office of a states attorney or official (including all the paperwork and signing) and there could be - not the rule and not necessary - a second one at a church. The rest is more or less like a party, where hopefully everyone is having fun. A real wedding cake, like you stated, I have never seen except in movies.
My own wedding took place on a (tiny) ship running up and down the channels here in Berlin, which we have quite a lot of. My wife an me were "the band" for the opening dance and the ones who like it a little less noisy were sitting on deck enjoying the sights of Berlin.

But anyway, it sounds interesting (maybe intriguing?) and I'm interested to read, how this is working out and what actually will happen.

I will try to keep this updated if you are truly interested. The wedding is nearly a year off so interest may very well wain in that period. Weddings here are wildly varied from a few folks in a back yard to incredible productions. I played in a 17 piece big band for many years and covered many opulent receptions that to me carried mind boggling price tags. My granddaughter has a fellowship in a university practicing sustainability. Tangential to that her mindset is quite frugal and her lifestyle minimalistic. She also places family and close relationships in high regard. As an example she has asked my wife to make (not buy) a charcuterie board. It will be interesting to see what manifests from that tapestry.

All the best.

Posted: **Sat Sep 10, 2022 6:25 pm**

That would be very nice, and yes, I'm truly interested. If no one else is interested, maybe as a private message.

Kind regards,
Stephan

Posted: **Sat Sep 10, 2022 9:46 pm**

kontrakatze wrote:…a wedding ceremony like you pictured Rick, I have only seen in movies... A real wedding cake, like you stated, I have never seen except in movies.

I’m thinking cultural differences dictate these events; the weddings that could include most of the scenes I suggested are for large weddings with at least 50-150 attendees that I have spent long days shooting.

My own wedding took place on a (tiny) ship running up and down the channels here in Berlin, which we have quite a lot of. My wife an me were "the band" for the opening dance and the ones who like it a little less noisy were sitting on deck enjoying the sights of Berlin...

I love that setting. I could make a ‘movie’ of that wonderful day.

Sometimes a civil wedding (with a justice of the peace or a wedding officiant and two legal witnesses) is very small and seen as a legal formality. But for others it is a dream come true and an emotionally complex and revelatory event among family and friends to be cherished for years to come.

Some folks hate to shoot weddings; I look upon it as an honour to have the opportunity to document the day in as many ways as possible and including many perspectives that arise. It’s more than just interesting to capture someone’s dream, while being spontaneous and unobtrusive so they all forget you’re recording their every glance or nuances. Of course the edit respects everyone’s beauty and is done for the benefit of the bride, not the videographer.

Posted: **Sun Sep 11, 2022 2:21 am**

Been in professional imagery over 40 years. Probably shot a couple hundred weddings as a stills photographer, and 4 or 5 as the videographer.

Either way, US weddings can be a ton of work. Getting the relationships of the wedding party and the families, the "major" guests, and the interesting aspects of the sites used takes intentional planned WORK.

Whether it's the stills or video.

And it's like a military campaign: no plan survives the start of the event time. So you have to 1) be good at figuring out an alternate plan with no warning and 2) keep all good humor displayed publicly (while internally thinking how stupid someone just behaved).

Because you will do both continuously throughout the event. Your gear needs to be portable and capable of multiple uses. And not so heavy or complex that you get bogged down with gear and miss something important.

And if you can figure out how to have a bit of fun while working, it makes the whole event much more bearable.

Some weddings were a joy. A wondrous, touching and emotional experience.

Others ... well if you can't say something positive, right? ;-)

Sent from my SM-S908U using Tapatalk

Posted: **Sun Sep 11, 2022 6:18 am**

I apologize in advance for my English, I write through Google translator. Now on the topic: I also received an offer to shoot my niece's wedding, since I had already filmed my brother's wedding, I knew that I would not be able to celebrate with all the guests, and I would like to celebrate this event with my granddaughter first of all. I made it a little easier, I hired a professional cameraman who would shoot the entire ceremony, and I shot a 3.5-minute video clip with short interviews of the guests. Thus, I did not stand the whole ceremony with a camera in my hands and enjoyed the holiday. I think this option would be ideal for you.

Posted: **Mon Sep 12, 2022 6:44 pm**

wemrick1 wrote:My granddaughter is getting married next year and she has asked if I would do video of her wedding. This doesn't have to be an MGM production but I would like to give her something nice.

I wanted to do this for my daughter's recent wedding but was (rightly) talked out of it by people much more sensible than me. It's very hard to be pro and catch all the "blink and you miss it" important moments when you are also trying to enjoy the day as a family member. An alternative might be to offer to do a video of "tips for the bride and groom" to accompany the main pro video. You could ask the dad or best man to mention it in their speeches to give the guests some time to think about their responses. Then you can shoot it in slow time in the evening when everyone has had a few drinks. I guess it depends on culture, but here (UK) this would 100% get you a good collection of really filthy suggestions to make people laugh. Much less stressful than doing the full production!

Posted: **Tue Sep 13, 2022 11:03 am**

Kim Janson wrote:On weddings the light can be form pretty dark to very bright. Though I know cameras well, I would be nervous making some mistakes with settings, over exposing, forgetting to set WB, etc. so for sure I would do some planing and practising, if nothing else, mentally at least, and be also a bit worried about loosing the data, i.e not shooting into just one memory card.

It is different doing it for family for free than doing it professionally and getting paid. I was pretty nervous of something going wrong when taking photographs on my brothers wedding,I rather would have taken disappointed customer than disappointed brother, but it all went well and I had time also to enjoy the wedding.

You hit the nail on the head. That's exactly where I am at. Along with gathering suggestions from here I also sent my granddaughter a huge list of questions, found the site on google maps and confirmed the direction and altitude of the sun at that time of day. I also calculated linear angle of view for various lenses to estimate set distances. I'm going through mock up tests and synchronizing exercises to ensure (best possible) no settings are missed at the time of event. I'm building a planning folder with notes and process. I will have to pick up a couple more v mount batteries and tbd sundry stuff per practice sessions. I'm absolutely sure there will be some zingers on the day but I'm trying to cover as many bases as I can. As you noted, it's for "free" but it is also my primary wedding gift to the couple so to me and them it has value. Today I have a monopod coming that I plan on coupling with a RS2 and a Z6 to practice following people walking toward me in like the entry procession. I could ramble on forever but I'm sure you get the routine.

Posted: **Fri Sep 16, 2022 4:11 am**

If you are able to do a site visit before the wedding day, it will help your planning immensely. Takes the worry out of the day so you can concentrate on your subjects and not your settings.

Posted: **Fri Sep 16, 2022 11:15 am**

rick.lang wrote:If you are able to do a site visit before the wedding day, it will help your planning immensely. Takes the worry out of the day so you can concentrate on your subjects and not your settings.

I wish I could for sure. Maybe like day before for a bit. I'd love to "drop by" next week but it's a two day drive. For right now all I have is google maps and pictures of the site. We do have the site all day from like 10AM to 10PM and the wedding is at 4PM so that will be helpful.

Posted: **Fri Sep 16, 2022 2:01 pm**

Remember to breath and drink liquids with electrolytes. Look after your blood sugar. Eat.
The day will pass in a flash.

Try to enjoy the experience of the occasion.
My thoughts are with you.

I did one for my nephew.
Apparently I was there.

Remember to get pictures of yourself with the family.

Posted: **Fri Sep 16, 2022 2:40 pm**

Leon Benzakein wrote:Remember to breath and drink liquids with electrolytes. Look after your blood sugar. Eat.
The day will pass in a flash.

Try to enjoy the experience of the occasion.
My thoughts are with you.

I did one for my nephew.
Apparently I was there.

Remember to get pictures of yourself with the family.

Thank you! Those are very kind and thoughtful reminders and thoughts. You are spot on with the health tips. My blood sugar dips and I'm in trouble. I become dazed curmudgeon. Not what is needed on that day for sure. I am already setting friendly boundries with the granddaughter, will need help with this and that and won't be available for this other kind of things. I'm engineering the power requirements e.g. length of wires and gauge etc. so I know that will be correct. I'm bringing the sound reinforcement equipment except the speakers which I specified for her to buy so that aspect is in the bag. Turns out we can buy two powered PA speakers for less money then renting a system in that neck of the woods. My daughter can sell the speakers after the fact or use them for her parties...whatever.

This old fart is already having a ball with this event. Drawing on all my past forte's, electronics engineering, project management, sound engineeering, and of course my newely adopted hobby, videography. So far this whole thing has been a hoot!!!

Posted: **Fri Sep 16, 2022 3:45 pm**

Yes, it’s been fun seeing the various perspectives from experienced forum wedding shooters. Next we should tackle a crowd-sourced documentary! Or we each write a teleplay of an episode for Only Murders in the Forum.

Posted: **Fri Sep 16, 2022 3:54 pm**

rick.lang wrote:Yes, it’s been fun seeing the various perspectives from experienced forum wedding shooters. Next we should tackle a crowd-sourced documentary! Or we each write a teleplay of an episode for Only Murders in the Forum.

Yes it has! I'm in on the documentary! The murders, not so much. I've constantly got dead people in my living room on tv per my wife's viewing preferences. Getting kind of old.

Posted: **Fri Sep 16, 2022 4:38 pm**

Just the ceremony or the full day?

Ceremony and I usually did three cams. One down center and two over the shoulder for bride and groom opposite sides. I will mic the officiant and groom and found that between those two mics, it'll pick up the bride's audio. Being that it is your granddaughter, and if you wanted her mic'd up, you could always have a family member hide a mic on her while she is getting ready. I haven't shot a ton of weddings as I realized that was not for me :lol:

but most brides didn't want to bother with having a mic on them. Since they are so close to each other, I found the groom's mic or officiant's mic grabbed the audio just fine.

The rest of the day, just b-roll and pick off quick interviews or sound bites of people congratulating the couple. Your granddaughter will love whatever you make. You know her better than any filmmaker would, so you can capture images/edit in a way that there will be things special to her.

One note on Colorado. If you are coming from sea level or low elevation, hydrate very well BEFORE getting here (and stay hydrated) and grab a couple of those Boost oxygen things. Elevation is no joke here and people can feel the effects. Staying hydrated with water and liquid IV packs and having those oxygen tanks are super helpful; especially when everyone starts dancing and getting that heart rate up lol!
I usually run to the store and grab a couple of those Boost Oxygen cans before family/friends come to visit us here in CO, and they always use them...and they work great. Also, if there is alcohol at the wedding, just be aware that it hits WAY quicker at elevation if you are not acclimated :lol:

Posted: **Fri Sep 16, 2022 5:52 pm**

Tyler Edwards wrote:Just the ceremony or the full day?

Ceremony and I usually did three cams. One down center and two over the shoulder for bride and groom opposite sides. I will mic the officiant and groom and found that between those two mics, it'll pick up the bride's audio. Being that it is your granddaughter, and if you wanted her mic'd up, you could always have a family member hide a mic on her while she is getting ready. I haven't shot a ton of weddings as I realized that was not for me but most brides didn't want to bother with having a mic on them. Since they are so close to each other, I found the groom's mic or officiant's mic grabbed the audio just fine.

The rest of the day, just b-roll and pick off quick interviews or sound bites of people congratulating the couple. Your granddaughter will love whatever you make. You know her better than any filmmaker would, so you can capture images/edit in a way that there will be things special to her.

One note on Colorado. If you are coming from sea level or low elevation, hydrate very well BEFORE getting here (and stay hydrated) and grab a couple of those Boost oxygen things. Elevation is no joke here and people can feel the effects. Staying hydrated with water and liquid IV packs and having those oxygen tanks are super helpful; especially when everyone starts dancing and getting that heart rate up lol!
I usually run to the store and grab a couple of those Boost Oxygen cans before family/friends come to visit us here in CO, and they always use them...and they work great. Also, if there is alcohol at the wedding, just be aware that it hits WAY quicker at elevation if you are not acclimated

Wow! Great stuff! Right from a "local" source. I've been to Colorado a lot but mostly either in the Denver/Springs area or on the other side of the slopes in Rifle. I've only had a few experiences with higher elevation. I appreciate the heads up on that for sure. I'm looking at almost the same setup that you use with the addition of a shot from the alter area while the prosession comes up the isle. My granddaughter does want to be mic'd so I've got three Rode Go II units to cover all three. I'll put a fourth shotgun to cover the string quartet and audiance sound. Got five tentacle sync units to keep it all together and a Tascam 701D for good pre's for the three lavs. I haven't drank now for about 30 years but I may need oxygen, lol. I'm gonna look the up oxygen boost cans. That's new to me.

Oh, and yes, it is all day. As you noted, I'm going to try to snag a ton of B roll stuff and specific activities for the reception. The bride groom and I are going into the mountians and town for establishing shots. I am planning on grabbing some drone footage as well. I can get the establishing footage a day or two before the ceremony. I even figgured out how to get all that packed into and below a multicam sequence in DR and keep everything alligned!

Edit:::::::

I just found the oxygen boost canisters. Would recommend the 10 liter size cans or other? I can get a 6 pack of the 10 liter for like $85. I'm thinking I could share that with friends!!! While the younger croud passes around their pot, us old farts will pass around the oxygen, lol.

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