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Hi,
I am wondering if anybody here know something about new generations of Blackmagic cameras.
I heard about new camera which should be between URSA 12K and BMPCC 6K PRO. Something closer to BMPCC 6K PRO but better for example Full Frame 8K 120 FPS, tilted bright screen and handheld capibilities. I hope IBIS will be included too. But most important for me is Full Frame, image quality and handheld capibilities.
Anyone know anything more about this?

no news is no news.
Blackmagic have never (i believe) had any leaks on new hardware.

We can speculate all we want, but really no one knows except for beta testers... if they even have anything to test.

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Nothing is known at the moment. The only leaks that have ever happened have been pictures of banners at trade shows when new cameras were introduced at trade shows. The last one that had that was over 4-years ago with the Pocket 4K at NAB 2018. And, that leak was only a day or two before the announcement. Since all subsequent Pockets have been announced outside of trade shows.

Any and all speculation on the forums are really those of us putting forth our wish list features and improvements for BMD to see what we hope for. For example I have been vocal now for years about the desire for a Wireless Video Assist that can control camera settings from the touch screen of the Video Assist. As well I have been vocal since the introduction of the 12K for a move towards CFExpress Cards.

With the latest camera upgrades and updates it has all been built around existing physical builds. So the UMPG2 and UMP12K both utilized the URSA Mini Pro design. Internals were improved, and some ports added or moved. But for the most part the design remained the same. The Pocket 4K to Pocket 6K was pretty close in design, and then the Pocket 6K G2 utilized the body design of the Pocket 6K Pro. This enabled Blackmagic to allow their accessories built for those products to continue to be used without having to drastically change the builds.

So, for the most part, we have had demand for a box/cube camera the most over the last several years. At the same time the higher end URSA Mini Pro designed is still loved. So I have a feeling that we'll see the next generation be a mixture of URSA Mini Pro and URSA Micro. But it could be an entire new design that comes with a new name. I sort of hope so because it's time. The URSA to URSA Mini comes to mind so that it would be the the Millennium and Millennium Mini based on the discovery a while back about the naming:

timbutt2 wrote:Took a little digging while waiting for these exports, but I've found it! Blackmagic Acquires Cintel July 24th, 2012: https://www.blackmagicdesign.com/media/ ... 0120724-01

This includes all of the IP, name and brand ownership and product development rights for the Cintel diTTo and dataMill digital scanners lines, URSA, C-Reality, DSX, and Millennium telecine lines as well as imageMill data management products.

So, if I was to use Cintel as the basis for the naming of the cameras then... Hmmm... Let's see here...

Blackmagic Design Millennium Cinema Camera!

So I'm hoping that we see something like that happen. Then the Pocket line will likely get its own changes down the road.

Speculation will drive you mad. It's better to look at facts as they lay now on the ground. There's a world wide chip shortage that persists. There's an economic contraction/crisis. The 6K G2, was just the 6K Pro minus ND filters; The UBG2 was just repurposing of the 6K sensor in the Ursa body because a 2/3" type sensor was not available. People screaming, all over the shop, (no offence to the OP) for FF, Box, AF and ibis, all for less than the weekly shopping bill, even then do not necessarily translate into actual buyers, when the time comes: It's a risk right now to go all out as a manufacturer.

I know it's churlish of me to say, make great content now today with what you have now, rather than always long for that camera, that can only produce what you want tomorrow, and I know some of you are in the market for a new camera, but you will drive yourselves mad, as I say.

There will be new cameras, more than likely, the when is wide open though: I imagine, obviously new iterations of the pockets, with some of these things in a unique BMD way (good tools at an incredibly affordable price - therefore with some compromises); perhaps a new Ursa body type, less ENG like, more box cine like, around the new sensor tech; and the current Ursa body will live on in the Broadcast, since it is more eng like anyway.

phoexander wrote:Hi,
I am wondering if anybody here know something about new generations of Blackmagic cameras.

As always, nobody here can know what BMD is planning, except for the beta testers who're under NDA and certainly won't tell us what's coming.

phoexander wrote:Something closer to BMPCC 6K PRO but better for example Full Frame 8K 120 FPS, tilted bright screen and handheld capabilities.

What is it that you are hoping to gain from full frame and 8k and can't do now? I mean my clients still just ask for HD - although I shoot everything in 4k. And making a full frame sensor is quite expensive so BMD might not do that in any near future (but who knows). Personally I just would love to get more dynamic range on the Pockets which would help me in filming under less controlled lighting situations.

phoexander wrote:I hope IBIS will be included too.

I hope they never include IBIS as it just creates a mess in the corners, making post stabilizing and also gyro data unusable. It is very unlikely anyway that BMD will add IBIS as this needs a lot of engineering to get it right and you can't cool the sensor quite well - as you need to make the sensor package as lightweight as possible for enabling IBIS. A large cooler on the back makes that impossible.

There is a reason why Canon made the R5 with IBIS and R5C without it. IBIS is nice for taking pictures and a problem when filming. Even when you switch off IBIS, at a certain level of bumpiness it will start to swing because it is held in place by magnets.

Take a look here at this video where Carl from ProAV made a side by side comparison of the R5 and R5C with and without IBIS:

Agree. Wrote this in the other thread:

I wish we had a color and dynamic range war going instead of resolution, sensor size, AF, IBIS, stupid high ISO ect wars.
The cries for the latter unfortunately spread over from the consumer and hybrid camera field to the affordable cinema camera field.

Without any speculation, will it be logical to wait for a 8K camera ?

With quad 12G SDI links, it will complete BMD 8K line...

The things we know:
- BMD developed an in-house sensor that's s35 size that can go to 12k
- They have done 7 versions of the Ursa Mini body (Ursa Mini 4k, 4.6k, Pro G1, Pro G2, 12k, Broadcast, Broadcast G2)
- They have done 4 version of newer pocket bodies (Pocket 4k, 6k, 6k Pro, 6k G2)
- BRAW Gen5 has been the foundation for the last several cameras
- Traditional Cinema Cameras don't typically offer IBIS, much auto-focus, nor has BMD invested in that tech much at all
- Just because a camera still exists and is manufactured by BMD doesn't mean it will be improved with updates
- Mounts they have supported in the past include: EF, PL, MFT, Nikon F (?), B4
- They have not changed media types (cFast 2.0/SD) since 2016, with the Ursa Mini 4k
- Audio ports have consisted of 1/4", XLR, Mini-XLR, 1/8"

So.... seems possible, rather than a revamp of the Ursa Mini body, that a new body design will happen soon.
There's still a chance for a Pocket 4k Pro, if they can utilize the 6k Pro format (NDs, bigger batteries).

New body may include:
- new sensor from 12k
- No IBIS, Auto-focus
- Multiple mount options, like UMP
- New mount system
- New Media type
- Mini-XLR ports, if a smaller body is in the works

Again, NO ONE really knows. It's just fun/frustrating to speculate and wait.

If you're looking for rumors on upcoming BMD products, I would think the official forums would be the last possible place that they would pop up in.

You want to find more obscure dark corners of Reddit and/or other camera forums!

I've never seen a rumour that was true, here, on reddit etc.

BMD run a very very tight ship. I've not seen a leak ever so far...The closest you might see is someone taking a photo of a banner at a trade show before doors open or one year the sale staff from a distributor posted pictures from a briefing the night before a trade show...

A lot of the time some staff won't know about a new product if they aren't in the division that look after that product. They find out when the rest of us do.

When they used to drop brand new product at trade shows a lot of the floor staff would only get briefed in a few hours before the doors opened....(which lead to some interesting coverage of the products at theses trade shows)

I have had to disguise the cameras I've been testing when I take them out to shoot in the real world. Some prototypes are hand carried around when they travel overseas because we can't always trust a freight company....

JB