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That was a wild one...

https://www.blackmagicdesign.com/uk/pro ... icursacine

Sensor 35.64mm x 23.32mm
Interchangeable PL mount with control (inc locking EF)
16 Stops DR

Resolutions including:
12,288 x 8040 (12K 3:2 open gate)
9648 x 8040 (12K 6:5)
9408 x 6264 (9K 3:2)
7680 x 6408 (9K 6:5)
8192 x 5360 (8K 3:2 open gate)
6432 x 5360 (8K 6:5)
4096 x 2680 (4K 3:2 open gate)
3216 x 2680 (4K 6:5)

Frame rates dependant on resolution but up to 224 in some configs (wonder if they'll hit Raptor VV crop rates with a firmware update?)

Built in ND, clear, 2, 4 and 6 stop IR

2 x Monitoring Screens on op and assist side.
1 x Camera Status Screen
Assist screen has various focus features as well as acting as a slate for metadata and shooting notes.

2 x 12g output
2 x XLR input w. phantom power

New usb-c viewfinder with locking pin. Power data and video all over single cable (hope they're sturdy but the pin will help)

1 x 7-pin Lemo for power out, serial and run/stop
1 x 3-pin Fischer for power out and run/stop

2 x USB Type-C side expansion ports for camera accessories (curious to see what's the play here - maybe compatibility with third party hardware like DJI lidar/focus pro?)

1 x 10Gb rj45 for streaming/remote control / cloud uploads

Wonderful looking new media options - pull out cartridges with m2 nvmes in either 8TB or 16TB flavours can be connected into a new 3 cartridge dock (not sure if these can be daisy chained or how they fit into post suites yet)

B mount 12/24v power.

What else...

in the UK it's priced at £12,035 + VAT

And some breathtaking first footage from John Brawley, just unbelievable colour and rendition from something in that price range.

https://www.instagram.com/p/C5rENYuP9xH



ORGINAL POST:


I mean... 2 poster photos now, feel it's prob worth setting up a more searchable thread for the future than the 'NAB predictions' thread.

Will update this post with detailed specs/links for easy search after the Grant Show (which I've cleared my calendar for).

But so far it looks like power and lens control on the front, locking mount with lens data, antenna, top handle doesn't look the same as the traditional ursa with the weird gull wing thing to mount the EVF which matches the viewfinder thing I think people on FB/reddit were confusing for usb-c (to me it looks like the proprietary (bleugh) EVF mount from the 6K Pro with a locking pin. Would also presume user replacement mounts/OLPF given the screw around the PL which aren't on any of the previous Ursa range.

Looks like a 3 pin R/S port there on the bottom, hard to tell what the other one is from this photo, looks more like a Weipu and less like a Hirose.

Good Luck

and am I seeing things, or is this an LPL mount????

Yes, I think so Adam.

Also something I noticed: above the USB-C I think you can kind of make out the word 'Viewfinder'.

RubenS89 wrote:Yes, I think so Adam.

Also something I noticed: above the USB-C I think you can kind of make out the word 'Viewfinder'.

I mentioned in first post, I don't think that's USB-C at all but the same viewfinder connection on the 6KPro

https://proav.co.uk/accessories/tilta-e ... k-pro-30cm

Would potentially free up the forward SDI of the pre-2024 ursas to send that feed out to the wireless antenna? Prepared to eat my words though and we'll find out in about 3 hours, depending on how much of a Columbo-style 'one more thing' Grant pulls on us.

I hope it's a different EVF unit though. I tried out the small 6K one and it's not a patch on my beloved but awkward-as-hell ursa oled vf.

Source: German magazine slashcam.de

Robert Niessner wrote:

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Source: German magazine slashcam.de

HA! I've been wondering 'what's around the corner of the building', great scoop Robert/slashcam.de

EDIT: love the exterior fold-out display. Very pleased to see a rail based EVF mount. It also looks long. Usual ursa length rather than C300ish some have spoken of elsewhere.

I honestly cannot believe they stayed with the same camera design.

jallen0 wrote:I honestly cannot believe they stayed with the same camera design.

I get it, but also it's very functional for what it is. I still use my 4.6K pro. It's not quite an amira in terms of 'on the shoulder readiness' but needs very little doing to it and has great balance, everything is ergonomic and just 'there'. But this looks to improve on that in a few ways. I'm keen to hear what it's got under the hood.

m2 storage for example sounds interesting... but perhaps pertains to high resolutions I probably don't need in my life considering how low I am on backup storage atm.

Lol if they’re actually using the same body design.

I know we're like 2 hours away from finding out, but they are two different pics, it looks like.
the left half shows an LPL mount, but the right half shows a lens on what looks like a PL mount???

If they are taking a swing at 'the big boys' this IS NOT going to be a cheap camera. I assume north of $10k.
There's a LOT of stuff on that camera.
A vast majority of Pocket owners may just finally take the leap into some other camera ecosystem.

Adam Langdon wrote:I know we're like 2 hours away from finding out, but they are two different pics, it looks like.
the left half shows an LPL mount, but the right half shows a lens on what looks like a PL mount???

If they are taking a swing at 'the big boys' this IS NOT going to be a cheap camera. I assume north of $10k.
There's a LOT of stuff on that camera.
A vast majority of Pocket owners may just finally take the leap into some other camera ecosystem.

Looks like same camera with different mount.

Is this the same old body?!

guys, all they need to do is taper off the battery back and make it straight so then it truly is shaped like a box!
SO many people with hail it as a win.

Michel Rabe wrote:Is this the same old body?!

Definitely looks different; the front face and whole surround are markedly different from the current Ursa. The data panel on the monitor door now appears to be colour too; although they seem to have retained similar buttons and dials; it would suggest too a new VF of a more cinelike form factor. There is also a M2, I think, type logo near the media slots; I have no idea what that might be.

Steve Fishwick wrote:There is also a M2, I think, type logo near the media slots; I have no idea what that might be.

Internal nvme using m.2 cards. Could POTENTIALLY be cache for high speed. Could be user replaceable as a cost effective alternative to CFExpress. Could be entirely modular and users choose what media they want to work with.

Looks as long and big as old Ursa's. We'll soon see but if it is, my personal interest level just sank to zero.
Hope there's a smaller camera coming too.

It looks like the height is less compared to the older body - maybe like 2 cm less.

reusing components like the lens mount system and the button layout makes sense. Perhaps it IS a smaller form factor?

I'm going to add Grant trolling and calling it a 'box camera' to my Blackmagic Bingo Card.

I'd be reasonably happy even if it's the same dimensions as the current lineup. But I can already see a big improvement in the form of the viewfinder solution which was my biggest gripe when rigging it for anything other than shoulder mount, so I'm a happy camper.

Soon we know if it's cry or buy.

This is almost making me feel validated with all my crazy ideas over the last 5-years or so. Can't wait to hear more from the source.

Robert Niessner wrote:Soon we know if it's cry or buy.

Or both

Robert Niessner wrote:Soon we know if it's cry or buy.

Cry once. But then it will pay itself off.

Granted, I can't buy it at the moment.

timbutt2 wrote:This is almost making me feel validated with all my crazy ideas over the last 5-years or so. Can't wait to hear more from the source.

haha, they will be like, "A certain forum member consistently voiced their opinions... and we listened!"

Looking forward to the full specs and some sample footage, but not at all what I expected. I thought BM would be bringing something that slots between the BMCC6K and the Ursa Mini 12K, not something that leapfrogs both entirely.

"What if money was no object"

Is he going to do a switcheroo and say 'it's actually really cheap'.

Spoiler, he's not.

Looks VERY well thought out.

Love the Cine EVF
Quiet buttons.
5 inch LCD which flips all the way around/folds back in on operator side.
nvme module is amazing with 16x lanes for putting data straight into workstations.
rear USB-c for recording
2 X 12g SDI
timecode bnc
10g ethernet
Lemo
3 pin RS w 24 volt start/stop
15/19mm plate options
12/24v power options
SRT live streaming (!!!)
Dumb side with assist station (pop-out sunshield is nice!)
New focus page looks good..
2 x USB ports on top for third party expansion (DJI Lidar link?)

12k 80fps open gate
8k 140fps open gate
9k in 6:5 sounds verrry nice

Records HD proxies in h264, uploaded to blackmagic cloud.

Accessory options include:
Top handle
Shoulder mount
Handles


- costs approx 15k or 16-17k with viewfinder
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Gorgeous footage in the demo. JB? Outstanding colour. Would like a copy not live streamed for a closer look. Absolutely stunning footage.

12k 80fps means at least 12.5ms rolling shutter (or better)

which for 12k is solid

love the sensor, not the body design.

great for high end crews and projects though.

ultimate catch 22 for my work

I knew it. Its the Big Ursa Mk2

Media dock at $1995 looks nice.
8TB 1695 on its own (ursa cine comes with 1 x 8TB)
16TB also available soon

17k sensor on the way towards the end of 2024. Basically 70mm film...

so..... yeah. maybe one more release???

I remember Red had a roadmap in like 2010 which had a medium format sensor with like 20k resolution and I thought it was so silly...

oh a box camera!

there's your f*cking box camera

THEY BLOODY DID IT!


What a show...

Hope u guys are happy with this BOX camera now?

The gauntlet has well and truly been thrown down.

Tell you what, give Grant and the team a pat on the back. That was a wild ride. Can't wait to rent the cine and will highly likely be updating our fleet to trio of boxes...

Adam Langdon wrote:there's your f*cking box camera

Haha yep.

Love that no one guessed it either.

JB

I guess a third party adapter from BP batteries to v mount will come along?

Holy heck, 2995 is VERY competitive...

3195 for PL

Any a new colour panel...!

Ambassador, you are spoiling us.

The Pyxis camera gets my vote. I hope they improve the rolling shutter. Now put that 12k and 17k FF sensor in it.

What a flex, panning across that desk of hardware.

WahWay wrote:The Pyxis camera gets my vote. I hope they improve the rolling shutter.

that's the question. has the sensor been improved?
better 1250 ISO noise?
Faster rolling shutter?

probably not, though.

Damn.... Blackmagic Design dropped the F#$%ing Mic today! Wow!!!

And finally I don't have to listen to all of the box camera people complain anymore. Almost as exciting as the cameras.

I'm going to need a minute to just process all of this...

Adam Langdon wrote:

WahWay wrote:The Pyxis camera gets my vote. I hope they improve the rolling shutter.

that's the question. has the sensor been improved?
better 1250 ISO noise?
Faster rolling shutter?

probably not, though.

The pyxis page says 36fps at full resolution so that's gotta be the same rolling shutter performance holding it back